no they dont, everything we do in combat is unrealistic, saying this should be realistic is just....

Get rid of the 360° blocking and I'm fine

Make it so you cant cast insta spells while blocking, this is the main problem, being able to spam high damage atatcks and heals while never lowering your blocking of 75%+ damage mitigation. Make it so blocking is just like sprinting and all your hotbar abilities are blacked out

damn im happy, you people aint the once actually designing the game

Realism... like when an enemy player walks inside and through your body.

Artemiisia wrote: »

no they dont, everything we do in combat is unrealistic, saying this should be realistic is just....

I agree. Night Blades should be able to summon Tie Fighters to strafe enemies with lasers since realism is pointless.

put some block penetration in the game!

"hat person has no knowledge that you just used that skill, however they have their shield (or defenses) up for what they're fighting in front of them and when your attack hits they don't get knocked down or take as much damage as you expected. "

Same will happen when they have immovable, unstoppable pots or break out of CC recently. Also - show me a person who keeps using block all the time, which not only slows you to a crawl but eventually you'll run out of stam. My crystal frags may not knock a blocking person, but they definitely cost him or her a decent portion of their green bar.

Also - you're talking about the world where magic permeates everything. We're having so many magical effects that we use, and you're surprised that a blocking stance can create a barrier around the player? There's even a shining glyph appearing when the player or NPC blocks - it's supposed to inform us that the person is blocking, but I fail to see how it also wouldn't inform us that there's some magickal hokey-pokey going on when a person uses a blocking stance. It would be perfectly reasonable in TES universe.

In any hand to hand or sword combat game that I've played if you didn't block properly you got hit. Why is adding skill to a game such a bad idea?

Because ESO is more than just a hand to hand or sword combat game? I've also played RPGs where there were more blocking mechanics, but either way holding block just meant holding block and mitigating a certain amount of damage around me.

360 degree block and blocking while casting has to go. Honestly block being up when casting is the worst failing for this mechanic. It is one more reason why caster builds will continue to be most effective because it is far more effective for instant cast ranged builds than for a melee build.

Basically my problem is with those DK's and Templar tanks who just sit there and hold their right mouse button (or whatever their block is bound to). When I see that I don't even bother going for them. There's no counter play to it. At least allow the attacker to change the angle of attack, either forcing the blocker to adjust their blocking angle or dodge all together. I want something that involves more interaction and more gameplay mechanics instead of something that's linear and stagnant across the board. How can you sit there and be satisfied with how the block system functions now? There's literally no negative ramifications to holding block up and INSTANTLY gaining protection from every imaginable angle, regardless if you can see the attack or not. Comparing blocking to immovable or an unstopable potion is like comparing auto attack and casting a spell. Immovable is a spell that costs a fixed amount of stamina and has a duration for which the buff is active, same concept with the potion. With block your duration is limited to only your stamina pool, which does not deplete the longer you hold up block, only when you get hit. If you're not hit, guess what, you don't lose any stamina for it. Offering no counter play aside from continuously whaling on the blocker until they run out of stamina is a stagnant/linear game state which needs to be addressed. There's multiple counter plays to every single other game mechanic aside from block. What fantasy world logic are you using that allows you to raise a shield/sword/bow/staff/w.e. in front of you and grant you 360 degree protection. If an arrow is aimed to hit your backside it should just magically hit your stick which is positioned in front of your chest?

Blocking itself should be a mechanic that separates great players and good players. Knowing when to block and being positioned properly to block incoming damage should be how it's done. Not sitting in one spot, holding up your shield, and saying "come at me". 7 people hitting one person from every angle while they're holding up block shouldn't take forever to kill, and that's what it seems like is going on now. Just using the excuse "oh it's a fantasy world it doesn't have the same rules being applied is if it were real life" doesn't really fly with the majority of the PvP community. We all understand that it's unrealistic to throw meteor's at each other, Jesus Beam people to death, etc. But there are some basic mechanics that feel like they should just apply how they would in actual combat. Auto attacking functions like this, roll dodging functions like this, why should the blocking be any different?

The defense block gives is fine, you just shouldn't be able to use any abilities while blocking.

PvP in Cyrodiil is already pretty poor to CRAP state at the moment, since there are no defences.

A nerf on blocking, which is the ONLY damage mitigation method, will make the game completely unplayable.

So I would counter propose. Yes nerf blocking in Cyrodiil, but while in there ZoS SHOULD remove completely the critical and armour/spell penetration stats.

And I do not only mean the Cyrodiil buff, but completely those stats from any damage equation while in Cyrodiil.
In addition should also add player collision, since as unrealistic is to have 360 degrees block defence, walking through your opponent to hit them on the back is unrealistic also.

1. You cannot cast while Blocking, this is a false statement. You can use instant cast abilities but anything that requires an actual cast time you will not block while doing it.

2. Most of the people you run into in PvP aren't running 5 Heavy, Aren't using Defensive Stance, aren't using block cost reduction jewelry or using anything but 1 handed and shield. Which means each time you hit them with any damage while they're blocking ...they lose 200 stamina.
If you run into someone who's able to block a lot....Guess what...They're built for blocking.

3. Removing 360 degree blocking would do only one thing, Break pretty much every melee class and make the PvP (and PvE) god awful. Anything a Melee class charged into a fight, He'd instantly be CCed and killed because someone could easily go behind him and hit him. Since Mitigation in this game is basically blocking you'd pretty much kill what little is in this game. The game would end up being either Zerg Balling Pbae groups, or Range Fest with nothing in between.


So in closing, If you're having trouble with that dress wearing guy with a staff blocking you..You clearly don't understand what is going on with the game. If you're not able to kill a dude who's blocking a bunch of people very quickly..Guess what..That dudes a tank...

Persephonius wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

Persephonius wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

Stam should not regen while holding block, and you should not be able to attack while blocking

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problem fixed.

Well, again, another thread with complete disregard for the PvE content of the game. Doing this will be very drastic for PvE tanking.

I'm sorry I must have forgot this was the Alliance war section. It would make people think about their blocks not just hold it 24/7 would the impact really be THAT bad for PvE?

Not being able to attack/cast/use an ability while blocking can be problematic. At the bare minimum you have to refresh your taunt before it expires. Usually there are several rotational abilities players would use while tanking, for example, keeping up green dragon blood. This would add another element where you would need to drop your shield momentarily to use any of these abilities, leaving you vulnerable. You do take very heavy hits in PvE that can knock you back if you don't block. Though usually there are very strong tells as to which are the heavy hits. Also stamina management is key. Particularly if the tank is needing to let the non status hits through (the ones that don't cause knock back for example) to sustain stamina for interrupts, blocks and taunts throughout the fight. The balance would be to minimize the number of unmitigated attacks through (the ones you don't block) while being able to have a sustainable stamina usage. Removing stamina recovery while blocking will shift this balance, you would have to let more hits through, as you can only recover your stamina while your shield is down. This increases stress on healers also. I believe it would make tanking in PvE more difficult than it currently is.

A lot of people don't understand blocking, thus they make those silly type suggestions.

Its kind of like AOE caps, People die to AOE's like they die to people blocking, So they're like...Its not me..Its AOE's thus lets put a Cap on AOE's so what could possibly go wrong.

Things like making you unable to do instant spells while blocking, or 360 degree blocking removed ect ect all of these would break the game dramatically in not only PvP but PvE