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Your opinion about Seducer+Warlock setcombination

christopher.wieser.cwb16_ESO
Since 1.3 and the cap raise (magicka reg), there is one quite (maybe too) powerfull combination of set Items. It is possible to wear 2 complete 5Part-Sets, the Set of the Seducer and the Warlock Set.

I have fought some of those guys that are using this combination of sets and they were absolutely not killable due to healspam( especially templars).

So now i am curious on your experiences and opinions, what do you think?
  • KBKB
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    I use magnus/lock on my sorc Its great but it doesn't create an endless pool of mana, do you use disease enchants and things like that?
  • christopher.wieser.cwb16_ESO
    No I am not, why does that matter? Are they reducing incoming heal? I thought the glyph of foulness just inflicts disease DMG.
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    Foulness also reduces the healing taken around 40% although its purgeable why meat bag catapults are so effective.
  • christopher.wieser.cwb16_ESO
    So for what time exact? is there a table anywhere? just found one with the DMG information, not the healing decrease.

    Besides that option is a nice counter for hard healing, but i think it wont be enough. Try to fight a templar with this setup, you will start chewing your lips off :blush:
  • KBKB
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    Finding information about game mechanics is nigh impossible idk why ZOS isn't more transparent with things like that tbh.Test it out yourself it makes a fair difference when you are tagged with it.
  • Thechemicals
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    Magnus+warlock is alright but seducer+warlock is the best for pvp right now. The set combination is fun to play with but is not overpowered in any way since they nerfed its "all costs reduced" bonus.

    The problem it seems is that your timing is off and/or your dps is not high enough. I encountered a limitless magicka Templar last night and focused on his stamina. When he got to 80% health and his stamina was depleted i stunned him(while in he was in blazing shield)- used 2 dps skills and dropped a meteor on his head.....He was dead. Blazing shield doesnt protect against cc. Thats about 2400 damage+ the 700 he had already lost for a total of 3.1k health.

    Always keep in mind that if he has high health in the 3.8+ numbers, he is going to have a weak gas tank in the magicka and/or both stamina dept. Make a habit of looking at health on opponent to know how to time them and how to approach them. Anyone with less than 3k health should be susceptible to being killed during a stun he cant break out of, by you. Anyone with less than 3.5k health can be more a challenge but you need to work to get him when he is at 70%-80% health to deliver your burst dps.

    On Templars:I have had many pms ingame by my enemies about being Op,heal spammer spamming Blazing shield, spamming Puncturing Strikes, spamming Blazing spear, and hacking due to magicka gains. In truth i spam everything....all 10 skills minus mage light. The real dilemma player have in Cyrodiil against Templars is not so much the magicka+blazing shield but the fact that everyone is hitting that shield that is giong to explode. It is so satisfying to see a group of gankers kill their own allies because they cant stop the super aggresive rotation when my shield is on. You know what happens when you intelligently defend against blazing shield spam? You made 15%-25% of the templar dps null&void and he wasted the cost of the spell. The best equipped to kill Templars are sorcerers since they can avoid the shield altogether.
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  • arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO
    Yep, I think seducer + warlock is the best option to PvP too. Infinite magicka.

    Reason because warlock ring now cost 50k :-s.

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    Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on August 12, 2014 4:03PM
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  • Planchard
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    I chose to go with the Seducer + Warlocks sets as my pure healing Templar. With the Continuous attack buff in Cyrodiil, I'm at about 170 magicka regen. That combined with popping a potion every 30 secs and warlock set kicking in every minute, I rarely run out of magicka unless I really need to spam breath of life.

    Another armor set I considered trying out was Warlocks + Kagrenac's Hope (+25% resurrection speed and 140 mana when reviving an ally). Being a templar, I could get my resurrection to be 75% quicker with that armor set. With forward camps being the main transit source now, I decided to go with Seducer + Warlock
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  • glavius
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    Disease proc is 50% reduced healing for about 8 sec (sure about percentage but not about duration).
  • Natjur
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    As a V12 Templar in 5 Seducer (Impenetrable) and 5 Warlock (some magic regen placed with Armor as it was way over the soft cap)

    I think its fine ;) in PVP and no changes needed
    Edited by Natjur on August 12, 2014 9:32PM
  • JackDaniell
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    Peeps gonna spam heals :wink: but they cant heal if they are on the ground and unable to get up. Unlimited magicka does not make one invincible, in fact most people still wear 5 or 7 light armor, meaning they have very poor stamina mitigation. Force them to block, cc break, or roll and they will become vulnerable very fast. Your stamina bar really determines weather you live or die.

    Have you ever hit a full cloth DK using sword and shield when his block drops? It's a dam good feeling shredding into them like that.
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  • LunaRae
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    Natjur wrote: »
    As a V12 Templar in 5 Seducer (Impenetrable) and 5 Warlock (some magic regen placed with Armor as it was way over the soft cap)

    I think its fine ;) in PVP and no changes needed

    Lol totally fine. The guy running it says so, nothing to see here move along. :wink:
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  • Maulkin
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    LunaRae wrote: »
    Natjur wrote: »
    As a V12 Templar in 5 Seducer (Impenetrable) and 5 Warlock (some magic regen placed with Armor as it was way over the soft cap)

    I think its fine ;) in PVP and no changes needed

    Lol totally fine. The guy running it says so, nothing to see here move along. :wink:

    Why, do you think it's OP? You do get great sustain sure, but don't get other perks. Like the spell crit + spell damage you can get with Wise Mage + Willows Path + Wrath of Imperium (22% spell crit, right there). Or the defensive bonuses like knockback/dodge/damage shield that you get with other sets.

    Have you tried fighting someone with 35% dodge chance granted by Spectre's Eye and the medium armor skill Evasion? Frustrating as hell...
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  • dbishop
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    Spell crit has been dampened by Impen builds but the Evasion build sounds like people are thinking outside the box.
  • loki547
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    I don' t think this set is OP at all (look at my other thread), With just Warlock I'm at 163 magicka regen, adding Seducer on top of that makes the gains from that set minimal, Planchard said he's at 170 regen with continuous attack buff (% cost reduction being the only real benefit)
  • christopher.wieser.cwb16_ESO
    it's the whole package, insane high magicka reg, reduced spellcost + nice magicka gain every 30 seconds. everybody who says it's ok, is playing it or has no clue what it means to fight those guys.
  • loki547
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    Everybody who blames their deaths in PvP on "op" gear combos just needs to get better lol. I duel on a daily basis and haven't noticed anyone being harder to kill after Patch 3. Personally I'm ok with people running this combo and essentially getting a whopping 7 more magicka regen than me out of a 5 piece armor set.
  • murphy1337ub17_ESO
    LunaRae wrote: »
    Natjur wrote: »
    As a V12 Templar in 5 Seducer (Impenetrable) and 5 Warlock (some magic regen placed with Armor as it was way over the soft cap)

    I think its fine ;) in PVP and no changes needed

    Lol totally fine. The guy running it says so, nothing to see here move along. :wink:

    Why, do you think it's OP? You do get great sustain sure, but don't get other perks. Like the spell crit + spell damage you can get with Wise Mage + Willows Path + Wrath of Imperium (22% spell crit, right there). Or the defensive bonuses like knockback/dodge/damage shield that you get with other sets.

    Have you tried fighting someone with 35% dodge chance granted by Spectre's Eye and the medium armor skill Evasion? Frustrating as hell...

    i was using evasion with full medium armor(21%) with searing light and hist bark set on my templar.
  • Glantris
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    magicka regen is overrated and so is magicka flood. templars can't heal forever, their heals are expensive and EVEN IF they're geared for magicka sustainability so they CAN spam their heals infinitely, their damage is probably suffering and so is their ability to escape any sort of cc. gl
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  • IxSTALKERxI
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    I use seducer / arch-mage ;) 37% spell cost reduction.
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  • Maulkin
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    I use seducer / arch-mage ;) 37% spell cost reduction.

    Only possible for S&B and Dual Wield though, right?
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  • glavius
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    Spectre's Eye dodge and evasion buff doesn't stack.
  • Maulkin
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    glavius wrote: »
    Spectre's Eye dodge and evasion buff doesn't stack.

    You've tested this and you say it?
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  • Rylana
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    My dk uses this combo on my staff bar (with dominion choker equipped just because...)

    On my SnB bar its 5 warlock, 4 seducer, 3 dominion

    Works good, only downside is four impen traits but at least the three warlock light pieces are infused so moar stats (5 impen on shield bar)
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  • MeowGinger
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    My opinion is "PLZ NO NERF"
    Edited by MeowGinger on August 15, 2014 3:13AM
  • arkansas_ESO
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    Peeps gonna spam heals :wink: but they cant heal if they are on the ground and unable to get up. Unlimited magicka does not make one invincible, in fact most people still wear 5 or 7 light armor, meaning they have very poor stamina mitigation. Force them to block, cc break, or roll and they will become vulnerable very fast. Your stamina bar really determines weather you live or die.

    Have you ever hit a full cloth DK using sword and shield when his block drops? It's a dam good feeling shredding into them like that.

    I'm a DK in full cloth using sword and shield, and I'm more or less up creek without a paddle when I run out of stamina. It's definitely a viable counter.


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  • IxSTALKERxI
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    I use seducer / arch-mage ;) 37% spell cost reduction.

    Only possible for S&B and Dual Wield though, right?

    Yeah. I use S&B and class abilities. I don't need impulse or anythin. :)
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  • Mendoze
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    Seems like a nice combination for healer templar, but I like my sorcerer more like a glass cannon. I hit hard ( and die fast :smile: ), so I went to spellpower and mana. I have 4 x cyrodiil light, 4 x eyes of mara and 2 x torug's pact. Spell power on rings and all crafted gear with impenetrable and mana glyphs. Since I'm vampire, my neclace is some arcane purple with fire resists. Sorcerer doesn't need so huge mana regen anyway, since we have skills to get mana back fast. Although I'd probably suck in PVE, since my spellcrit is really low, but for pvp these seemed like good choice.
  • Roselle
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    Always keep in mind that if he has high health in the 3.8+ numbers, he is going to have a weak gas tank in the magicka and/or both stamina dept. Make a habit of looking at health on opponent to know how to time them and how to approach them. Anyone with less than 3k health should be susceptible to being killed during a stun he cant break out of, by you. Anyone with less than 3.5k health can be more a challenge but you need to work to get him when he is at 70%-80% health to deliver your burst dps.

    This may be true for some templars that go mostly +health for blazing shield and to take more hits, but if these templars properly time their pretty impressive range of buffs when their stamina is getting low and have Mutagen or Rapid Regen rolling in addition to these buffs, they most likely can still live through a CC they can't break out of for a bit. I can when I get the proper buffs off in time, at least. I've tested this a few times and I have a few recorded sessions in my pvp Twitch channel to analyze tough combat situations like these.

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