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✭TheSojourner wrote: »TheSojourner wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
It is an exploit, I had a very long number of mails with a ZoS CSR. She told she'd forward this exploit to the "upper spheres" to have it removed, but I see these upper spheres are fine with their economy being destroyed by cheaters.
It's not an exploit or cheating if no bug is explored or no rule is broken. It has been repeated over and over, officially, that it is entirely legitimate gameplay. Get over it.
Your exchange with a CSR is meaningless. Most CSRs in most games are clueless and are glorified telephone operators reading out of a manual. They likely were telling you what you wanted to hear just to get you out of their hair. CARs don't make policy. The devs do. And the community relations people speak for them. Again, since you seem to be challenged with this..ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I realize being WRONG is a tough pill to swallow sometimes but you really should accept that FACT and get over it.
And I will continue to farm with my game time, thank you, safe in the knowledge that I'm playing the game entirely as intended.
I can tell you're very happy with yourself but a dev saying it's working as designed (containers resetting on logout) does not mean they intended you to log out and back in over and over again.
READ the quote, ffs. It SAYS it's working as DESIGNED.
It's really hard having a discussion with people in complete and utter denial.
Farming has existed in every MMO. It exists in this one. Accept that FACT. And you should be thankful it happens in ways that don't effect you. While they allowthis they've also taken steps to make it less fruitful to farm public dungeon bbosses because that impacts the flow of the game for many players.
How people can't see this system as a win win for everybody is beyond me. In a lot of games farming consists of high levels sitting on low and mid level spawns that drop good loot that they can sell and people actually at the level of that content don't even get a chance to try.
A lot of you people might consider that you are worrying too much about what others do or are complaining just to complain. Or both.
You're kinda missing the point. Let me be clear. I'm not against this method of "farming". Sure, I find it weird that someone would spend their finite time, by doing something as repetative and uninteresting as bypassing playing the game, just to get certain items to play the game, but I'm ok with it. Stop trying to assume and label me.
My point is, the people (you) that absolutely love and revel in doing this, seem to take that quote completely out of context. The design (containers resetting on logout) is working correctly. Before you go on, stop and re-read that. It's very important. Nothing about farming or repeated log outs is meantioned as the design. I agree, the farming method is NOT an exploit, but it is FAR from the intention of the developers. You have to realize this. If you honestly think the developers intentionally designed it that way so players could log out and in repeatedly, you're being intellecutally dishonest.
except the quote was in response to requests about whether or not doing that was okay? Go read the thread for context.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I realize being WRONG is a tough pill to swallow sometimes but you really should accept that FACT and get over it.
And I will continue to farm with my game time, thank you, safe in the knowledge that I'm playing the game entirely as intended.
I don't even need a ZoS employee to tell me what is an exploit and what's not.
I have played EvE Online many years, who plays it SHALL learn what's about cheating, exploiting and scamming.
You keep spamming an ancient thread when the game was young and when the devs could not even find the time to look at "lesser issues" like this, whereas I had an escalate ticket (not just "frontline CSR") made very recently.
If this was truly intended, then we would not have chests / boxes timers at all. You'd always have fresh stuff up every time you looked.
Tell me with a straight face, in which game (online and not) EVER you could bypass its chests timers and perma-grind them however long you want. It does not exist.
And I am going to ask ZoS employees to fix this bug until they'll fix it, in the face of the dirty cheaters who are laughing right now and inventing pathetic excuses to justify their actions.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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TheSojourner✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »except the quote was in response to requests about whether or not doing that was okay? Go read the thread for context.
Let's make this simple. Do you believe the developers intended players to continually log out and log in to obtain items?Edited by TheSojourner on August 14, 2014 10:34PM2 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭Due to the way the loot tables and drop rates are set up, re-logging (farming) is a necessary (although unanticipated) method of obtaining items that would otherwise take weeks or months to find.
Zenimax knows about this and does not consider it to be an exploit. If they did, players would be getting banned left and right, and they would put a stop to it. They haven't done either of those things, hence, no exploit.
Even if you do farm it still takes weeks and months. As I've mentioned, I've been going for a complete provisioning recipe book and at 5 weeks I'm just now done with the ones up to 25. Granted, I didn't really play last week, but I've also had help from another guy doing the same thing. Meanwhile, in 4 full active trading guilds, there is almost never a recipe for sale I need, although I should start checking the new market guild npcs. The economy is so stunted it makes more sense just to roll an alt and go get it yourself, really.
Regardless, people who've never farmed seem to think it's some kind of cheat that allows people to just whip up anything they want. It takes forever. And in that time I've only seen one imperial motif drop, which I used, and only 3 purple recipes. 2 of those have been this week...seems like recipe drops have been tuned up a bit.
And even when you do get drops to sell, you have to deal with selling them. Motifs aren't bad but recipes are a royal pita to sell. I'm getting to the point where I may just start vendoring the high level blues because they aren't even worth the effort.
Seriously, you guys who think it's just log in and out and hear cha ching sounds the whole time really should try it out before you draw conclusions.1 -
silascb✭I think the real problem here is that some people don't like the way other people play this game, regardless of what staff - developers or moderators - have said on that particular subject.
And, actually, that type of response is a typical human response. It is natural for humans to be selfish, and in this particular discussion, it is obvious that others are jealous of others using the game in a way to obtain items that they might not have obtained otherwise. Seriously, if the developers or moderators specifically said this is not an exploit, it becomes clear that the reason this discussion is occurring is because some players are jealous of other players.
Let it go. At the end of the day, ESO is just a game and you have a real life that you will return to.
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✭✭✭✭TheSojourner wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »TheSojourner wrote: »TheSojourner wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
It is an exploit, I had a very long number of mails with a ZoS CSR. She told she'd forward this exploit to the "upper spheres" to have it removed, but I see these upper spheres are fine with their economy being destroyed by cheaters.
It's not an exploit or cheating if no bug is explored or no rule is broken. It has been repeated over and over, officially, that it is entirely legitimate gameplay. Get over it.
Your exchange with a CSR is meaningless. Most CSRs in most games are clueless and are glorified telephone operators reading out of a manual. They likely were telling you what you wanted to hear just to get you out of their hair. CARs don't make policy. The devs do. And the community relations people speak for them. Again, since you seem to be challenged with this..ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I realize being WRONG is a tough pill to swallow sometimes but you really should accept that FACT and get over it.
And I will continue to farm with my game time, thank you, safe in the knowledge that I'm playing the game entirely as intended.
I can tell you're very happy with yourself but a dev saying it's working as designed (containers resetting on logout) does not mean they intended you to log out and back in over and over again.
READ the quote, ffs. It SAYS it's working as DESIGNED.
It's really hard having a discussion with people in complete and utter denial.
Farming has existed in every MMO. It exists in this one. Accept that FACT. And you should be thankful it happens in ways that don't effect you. While they allowthis they've also taken steps to make it less fruitful to farm public dungeon bbosses because that impacts the flow of the game for many players.
How people can't see this system as a win win for everybody is beyond me. In a lot of games farming consists of high levels sitting on low and mid level spawns that drop good loot that they can sell and people actually at the level of that content don't even get a chance to try.
A lot of you people might consider that you are worrying too much about what others do or are complaining just to complain. Or both.
You're kinda missing the point. Let me be clear. I'm not against this method of "farming". Sure, I find it weird that someone would spend their finite time, by doing something as repetative and uninteresting as bypassing playing the game, just to get certain items to play the game, but I'm ok with it. Stop trying to assume and label me.
My point is, the people (you) that absolutely love and revel in doing this, seem to take that quote completely out of context. The design (containers resetting on logout) is working correctly. Before you go on, stop and re-read that. It's very important. Nothing about farming or repeated log outs is meantioned as the design. I agree, the farming method is NOT an exploit, but it is FAR from the intention of the developers. You have to realize this. If you honestly think the developers intentionally designed it that way so players could log out and in repeatedly, you're being intellecutally dishonest.
except the quote was in response to requests about whether or not doing that was okay? Go read the thread for context.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »TheSojourner wrote: »TheSojourner wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
It is an exploit, I had a very long number of mails with a ZoS CSR. She told she'd forward this exploit to the "upper spheres" to have it removed, but I see these upper spheres are fine with their economy being destroyed by cheaters.
It's not an exploit or cheating if no bug is explored or no rule is broken. It has been repeated over and over, officially, that it is entirely legitimate gameplay. Get over it.
Your exchange with a CSR is meaningless. Most CSRs in most games are clueless and are glorified telephone operators reading out of a manual. They likely were telling you what you wanted to hear just to get you out of their hair. CARs don't make policy. The devs do. And the community relations people speak for them. Again, since you seem to be challenged with this..ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I realize being WRONG is a tough pill to swallow sometimes but you really should accept that FACT and get over it.
And I will continue to farm with my game time, thank you, safe in the knowledge that I'm playing the game entirely as intended.
I can tell you're very happy with yourself but a dev saying it's working as designed (containers resetting on logout) does not mean they intended you to log out and back in over and over again.
READ the quote, ffs. It SAYS it's working as DESIGNED.
It's really hard having a discussion with people in complete and utter denial.
Farming has existed in every MMO. It exists in this one. Accept that FACT. And you should be thankful it happens in ways that don't effect you. While they allowthis they've also taken steps to make it less fruitful to farm public dungeon bbosses because that impacts the flow of the game for many players.
How people can't see this system as a win win for everybody is beyond me. In a lot of games farming consists of high levels sitting on low and mid level spawns that drop good loot that they can sell and people actually at the level of that content don't even get a chance to try.
A lot of you people might consider that you are worrying too much about what others do or are complaining just to complain. Or both.
You're kinda missing the point. Let me be clear. I'm not against this method of "farming". Sure, I find it weird that someone would spend their finite time, by doing something as repetative and uninteresting as bypassing playing the game, just to get certain items to play the game, but I'm ok with it. Stop trying to assume and label me.
My point is, the people (you) that absolutely love and revel in doing this, seem to take that quote completely out of context. The design (containers resetting on logout) is working correctly. Before you go on, stop and re-read that. It's very important. Nothing about farming or repeated log outs is meantioned as the design. I agree, the farming method is NOT an exploit, but it is FAR from the intention of the developers. You have to realize this. If you honestly think the developers intentionally designed it that way so players could log out and in repeatedly, you're being intellecutally dishonest.
except the quote was in response to requests about whether or not doing that was okay? Go read the thread for context.
I shall ask you to do the same.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »TheSojourner wrote: »TheSojourner wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
It is an exploit, I had a very long number of mails with a ZoS CSR. She told she'd forward this exploit to the "upper spheres" to have it removed, but I see these upper spheres are fine with their economy being destroyed by cheaters.
It's not an exploit or cheating if no bug is explored or no rule is broken. It has been repeated over and over, officially, that it is entirely legitimate gameplay. Get over it.
Your exchange with a CSR is meaningless. Most CSRs in most games are clueless and are glorified telephone operators reading out of a manual. They likely were telling you what you wanted to hear just to get you out of their hair. CARs don't make policy. The devs do. And the community relations people speak for them. Again, since you seem to be challenged with this..ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I realize being WRONG is a tough pill to swallow sometimes but you really should accept that FACT and get over it.
And I will continue to farm with my game time, thank you, safe in the knowledge that I'm playing the game entirely as intended.
I can tell you're very happy with yourself but a dev saying it's working as designed (containers resetting on logout) does not mean they intended you to log out and back in over and over again.
READ the quote, ffs. It SAYS it's working as DESIGNED.
It's really hard having a discussion with people in complete and utter denial.
Farming has existed in every MMO. It exists in this one. Accept that FACT. And you should be thankful it happens in ways that don't effect you. While they allowthis they've also taken steps to make it less fruitful to farm public dungeon bbosses because that impacts the flow of the game for many players.
How people can't see this system as a win win for everybody is beyond me. In a lot of games farming consists of high levels sitting on low and mid level spawns that drop good loot that they can sell and people actually at the level of that content don't even get a chance to try.
A lot of you people might consider that you are worrying too much about what others do or are complaining just to complain. Or both.
You're kinda missing the point. Let me be clear. I'm not against this method of "farming". Sure, I find it weird that someone would spend their finite time, by doing something as repetative and uninteresting as bypassing playing the game, just to get certain items to play the game, but I'm ok with it. Stop trying to assume and label me.
My point is, the people (you) that absolutely love and revel in doing this, seem to take that quote completely out of context. The design (containers resetting on logout) is working correctly. Before you go on, stop and re-read that. It's very important. Nothing about farming or repeated log outs is meantioned as the design. I agree, the farming method is NOT an exploit, but it is FAR from the intention of the developers. You have to realize this. If you honestly think the developers intentionally designed it that way so players could log out and in repeatedly, you're being intellecutally dishonest.
except the quote was in response to requests about whether or not doing that was okay? Go read the thread for context.
Let's make this simple. Do you believe the developers intended players to continually log out and log in to obtain items?
Probably not. But then further review showed that the impact was minimal at best. In case you haven't noticed, the effort versus reward isn't in favor of those who choose to relog. If anything, they're wasting they're own time. Effort versus reward simply isn't there.1 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭It is an exploit, I had a very long number of mails with a ZoS CSR. She told she'd forward this exploit to the "upper spheres" to have it removed, but I see these upper spheres are fine with their economy being destroyed by cheaters.
This is ESO in a nutshell. Even with a link to a ZOS employee stating specifically that this exact thing is not an exploit there is someone calling it "exploiting" and "cheaters".
I have never seen any other game where people throw the word exploit out so much. You can barely find a post with ten replies without exploit and entitled in it.
Abusing of game mechanics IS the definition of an exploit. The ZoS CRS agreed with me, they just didn't fix it (yet).[/quote]
Again, customer service people don't decide these things. They are basically like call center people reading out of a manual. It's like saying the kid at McDonald's who registered your complaint about their food is going to do anything about it. Again, also, they probably told you that just to get you out of their hair.
The developers are fully aware of the issue and they disagree with you. As stated by their public voice, the community managers:ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I love whipping that out.
Jump up and down and throw a tantrum all you want, but you are wrong.2 -
sinisterNLSoul Shrivensmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »not an exploit, feature that is not being use as intended, but not an exploit. Exploits get you banned, this doesn't. ZOS can't guess every use of a given feature, so some will be used in an unexpected way, but that doesn't mean they will ban you for it or that you are in the wrong.
A feature that is not beeing used as intended is the definition of an exploit.
Not that i care about this...
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✭✭✭And I am going to ask ZoS employees to fix this bug until they'll fix it, in the face of the dirty cheaters who are laughing right now and inventing pathetic excuses to justify their actions.
I haven't seen your level of butthurt in any MMO ever before, and I played EVE for 5 years.
It's not considered an exploit and you will personally NEVER do anything about it. Get over it.
We'll see.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭TheSojourner wrote: »TheSojourner wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
It is an exploit, I had a very long number of mails with a ZoS CSR. She told she'd forward this exploit to the "upper spheres" to have it removed, but I see these upper spheres are fine with their economy being destroyed by cheaters.
It's not an exploit or cheating if no bug is explored or no rule is broken. It has been repeated over and over, officially, that it is entirely legitimate gameplay. Get over it.
Your exchange with a CSR is meaningless. Most CSRs in most games are clueless and are glorified telephone operators reading out of a manual. They likely were telling you what you wanted to hear just to get you out of their hair. CARs don't make policy. The devs do. And the community relations people speak for them. Again, since you seem to be challenged with this..ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I realize being WRONG is a tough pill to swallow sometimes but you really should accept that FACT and get over it.
And I will continue to farm with my game time, thank you, safe in the knowledge that I'm playing the game entirely as intended.
I can tell you're very happy with yourself but a dev saying it's working as designed (containers resetting on logout) does not mean they intended you to log out and back in over and over again.
READ the quote, ffs. It SAYS it's working as DESIGNED.
It's really hard having a discussion with people in complete and utter denial.
Farming has existed in every MMO. It exists in this one. Accept that FACT. And you should be thankful it happens in ways that don't effect you. While they allowthis they've also taken steps to make it less fruitful to farm public dungeon bbosses because that impacts the flow of the game for many players.
How people can't see this system as a win win for everybody is beyond me. In a lot of games farming consists of high levels sitting on low and mid level spawns that drop good loot that they can sell and people actually at the level of that content don't even get a chance to try.
A lot of you people might consider that you are worrying too much about what others do or are complaining just to complain. Or both.
You're kinda missing the point. Let me be clear. I'm not against this method of "farming". Sure, I find it weird that someone would spend their finite time, by doing something as repetative and uninteresting as bypassing playing the game, just to get certain items to play the game, but I'm ok with it. Stop trying to assume and label me.
My point is, the people (you) that absolutely love and revel in doing this, seem to take that quote completely out of context. The design (containers resetting on logout) is working correctly. Before you go on, stop and re-read that. It's very important. Nothing about farming or repeated log outs is meantioned as the design. I agree, the farming method is NOT an exploit, but it is FAR from the intention of the developers. You have to realize this. If you honestly think the developers intentionally designed it that way so players could log out and in repeatedly, you're being intellecutally dishonest.
Intellectually dishonest? Dude, you are in full blown denial about this. The Jessica quote is IN A THREAD about this specific farming method. Stuyvesant talking about containers resetting working as intended. She was talking about farming them working as intended. I never even started doing it until I saw that thread.
What's intellectually dishonest is your inability to set aside your own personal biases long enough to accept that FACT. Your mindset is revealed in everything you say in your post...
No, I don't enjoy doing this. I do it because it's the only reasonable way to complete provisioning fully, which I intend to do. I'm old school. Getting my goals in a game accomplished is what I find fun even if (and this seems to be lost on a lot of gamers here) on a moment by moment basis I'm not entertained. I've done more camps in more games for weeks and months in end to get one item. Did not enjoy it. Loved completing it. And you know what? I earned it, making it even more fun. Just as I will earn a full recipe book and full set of motifs here. And you know what else? It's MY game time. I'll do with it what I want.
And, no, it's not "bypassing" the game. It's a part of the game. What it is, is putting the game on hold to accomplish a goal. No different than stopping to craft, kill a boss, learn a start for a dungeon or boss or anything else.
No, 'tis not I who have missed any points here, my friend.Edited by Fleymark on August 14, 2014 11:03PM2 -
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✭sinisterNL wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »not an exploit, feature that is not being use as intended, but not an exploit. Exploits get you banned, this doesn't. ZOS can't guess every use of a given feature, so some will be used in an unexpected way, but that doesn't mean they will ban you for it or that you are in the wrong.
A feature that is not beeing used as intended is the definition of an exploit.
Not that i care about this...
no, it isn't. It's only an exploit if you gain an unfair advantage from it.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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✭✭✭✭It comes down to one simple principle... ESO says no. You don't like it? Too bad so sad. Get over it.
And this coming from somebody who has never abused the privilege.
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✭✭✭I think the real problem here is that some people don't like the way other people play this game, regardless of what staff - developers or moderators - have said on that particular subject.
And, actually, that type of response is a typical human response. It is natural for humans to be selfish, and in this particular discussion, it is obvious that others are jealous of others using the game in a way to obtain items that they might not have obtained otherwise. Seriously, if the developers or moderators specifically said this is not an exploit, it becomes clear that the reason this discussion is occurring is because some players are jealous of other players.
Let it go. At the end of the day, ESO is just a game and you have a real life that you will return to.
Putting unneeded strain on the login servers to circumvent game mechanics is not about liking what others do or not, it's usually a perma-bannable offense.
How ZoS are not reacting to this is beyond me, but maybe one day they'll wake up and do like every other MMO company.
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DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the real problem here is that some people don't like the way other people play this game, regardless of what staff - developers or moderators - have said on that particular subject.
And, actually, that type of response is a typical human response. It is natural for humans to be selfish, and in this particular discussion, it is obvious that others are jealous of others using the game in a way to obtain items that they might not have obtained otherwise. Seriously, if the developers or moderators specifically said this is not an exploit, it becomes clear that the reason this discussion is occurring is because some players are jealous of other players.
Let it go. At the end of the day, ESO is just a game and you have a real life that you will return to.
Putting unneeded strain on the login servers to circumvent game mechanics is not about liking what others do or not, it's usually a perma-bannable offense.
How ZoS are not reacting to this is beyond me, but maybe one day they'll wake up and do like every other MMO company.
Seriously? Provide one iota of evidence, or an example of over taxing the servers. You're fabricating a fictional scenario to argue your point.1 -
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✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I love whipping that out.
Jump up and down and throw a tantrum all you want, but you are wrong.
Keep whipping it out, perma spamming a dated thread made by a the only employees who compete with CSRs for being at the bottom of the organization does not make it actual, nor authoritative.
When I'll see a real developer post they are fine with it, then I'll immediately unsub and be done with what would be a farce of a game due to condoning so well known exploiting practices that impact on their servers and on the ability of other players to log on.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think the real problem here is that some people don't like the way other people play this game, regardless of what staff - developers or moderators - have said on that particular subject.
And, actually, that type of response is a typical human response. It is natural for humans to be selfish, and in this particular discussion, it is obvious that others are jealous of others using the game in a way to obtain items that they might not have obtained otherwise. Seriously, if the developers or moderators specifically said this is not an exploit, it becomes clear that the reason this discussion is occurring is because some players are jealous of other players.
Let it go. At the end of the day, ESO is just a game and you have a real life that you will return to.
Putting unneeded strain on the login servers to circumvent game mechanics is not about liking what others do or not, it's usually a perma-bannable offense.
How ZoS are not reacting to this is beyond me, but maybe one day they'll wake up and do like every other MMO company.
right logging in and out once every 5-10 minutes is like a DDOS attack, amirite?Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭I think the real problem here is that some people don't like the way other people play this game, regardless of what staff - developers or moderators - have said on that particular subject.
And, actually, that type of response is a typical human response. It is natural for humans to be selfish, and in this particular discussion, it is obvious that others are jealous of others using the game in a way to obtain items that they might not have obtained otherwise. Seriously, if the developers or moderators specifically said this is not an exploit, it becomes clear that the reason this discussion is occurring is because some players are jealous of other players.
Let it go. At the end of the day, ESO is just a game and you have a real life that you will return to.
Putting unneeded strain on the login servers to circumvent game mechanics is not about liking what others do or not, it's usually a perma-bannable offense.
How ZoS are not reacting to this is beyond me, but maybe one day they'll wake up and do like every other MMO company.
Because they don't see it as a problem and the technical issues you cite aren't a problem either, but rather a red herring you've invented to distract from the FACT that you are WRONG about this issue and are probably in denial?
Let them worry about server strain, ffs. When you are employed by ZOS to deal with these things THEN anyone will care about what you have to say about it. Until then, you're just inventing an issue where none exists because your particular opinion on this issue isn't shared by the people who design and run this game.
You really need to get over it.Edited by Fleymark on August 14, 2014 11:11PM3 -
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From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I realize being WRONG is a tough pill to swallow sometimes but you really should accept that FACT and get over it.
And I will continue to farm with my game time, thank you, safe in the knowledge that I'm playing the game entirely as intended.
I don't even need a ZoS employee to tell me what is an exploit and what's not.
I have played EvE Online many years, who plays it SHALL learn what's about cheating, exploiting and scamming.
You keep spamming an ancient thread when the game was young and when the devs could not even find the time to look at "lesser issues" like this, whereas I had an escalate ticket (not just "frontline CSR") made very recently.
If this was truly intended, then we would not have chests / boxes timers at all. You'd always have fresh stuff up every time you looked.
Tell me with a straight face, in which game (online and not) EVER you could bypass its chests timers and perma-grind them however long you want. It does not exist.
And I am going to ask ZoS employees to fix this bug until they'll fix it, in the face of the dirty cheaters who are laughing right now and inventing pathetic excuses to justify their actions.
Apparently you do, because it's their game and they make the rules for THEIR game, not you.
You might not like me drinking a beer as I type this, either, but that doesn't make it illegal. Your disagreeing with the law doesn't mean I'm breaking the law.
No rule broken means there's no exploit. Period.
As I said before, I did not start farming like this until I saw the Jessica post in that other thread. I started doing it because A HIGH LEVEL ZOS EXEC SAID IT WAS OKAY TO DO.
Ancient thread? It was April, dude. Get out of denial and get over the fact that that you are WRONG.Edited by Fleymark on August 14, 2014 11:22PM2 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
I love whipping that out.
Jump up and down and throw a tantrum all you want, but you are wrong.
Keep whipping it out, perma spamming a dated thread made by a the only employees who compete with CSRs for being at the bottom of the organization does not make it actual, nor authoritative.
When I'll see a real developer post they are fine with it, then I'll immediately unsub and be done with what would be a farce of a game due to condoning so well known exploiting practices that impact on their servers and on the ability of other players to log on.
The Devs don't post. That's what Jessica and Gina do....They post for them. They speak for the devs. Which is why they took player questions for the devs at the quakecon panel. They are the go between between us and the devs.
And which is what Jessica was doing when she posted that. April is not dated, dude. It was 4 months ago.
You are welcome to dig up a post since that reverses that statement but you won't find one. This is working exactly as intended. They know it is happening. They told us we could do it.
Stay in denial and keep pitching a fit tho. I'm sure that will get it changed. Lol2 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭The act of farming in and of itself is not bannable.
The method however...is. If you're using any kind of automation to farm, it's bannable. You'd better be sitting at the keyboard doing that repetitive, boring task over and over and over and over.....
I often wonder at the thought processes of people that enjoy such activities, if they can be said to have any. Mindless repetition isn't my idea of fun.
Edit:Seriously, you guys who think it's just log in and out and hear cha ching sounds the whole time
Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmuJnkVvCPw Edited by MercyKilling on August 14, 2014 11:40PMI am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.0 -
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✭MercyKilling wrote: »The act of farming in and of itself is not bannable.
The method however...is. If you're using any kind of automation to farm, it's bannable. You'd better be sitting at the keyboard doing that repetitive, boring task over and over and over and over.....
I often wonder at the thought processes of people that enjoy such activities, if they can be said to have any. Mindless repetition isn't my idea of fun.
there's no automation involved lol
People aren't idiots just because they play differently than you.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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✭Reports from the "relog farmers" say that there's a cooldown on rare drops anyway. You'll get a recipe once every 7 - 10 minutes almost like clockwork. Most of the time it's green. Sometimes it's blue. Occasionally it's purple. Rarely it's a motif.1 -
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✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »right logging in and out once every 5-10 minutes is like a DDOS attack, amirite?
Considering every single provisioning farmer I know does it, the numbers stack up at the end of the day.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »right logging in and out once every 5-10 minutes is like a DDOS attack, amirite?
Considering every single provisioning farmer I know does it, the numbers stack up at the end of the day.
well, if they actually did, ZOS would do something about it. As it stands you are just manufacturing problems to try and argue that you are in some way right, which we have established you aren't,Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »MercyKilling wrote: »The act of farming in and of itself is not bannable.
The method however...is. If you're using any kind of automation to farm, it's bannable. You'd better be sitting at the keyboard doing that repetitive, boring task over and over and over and over.....
I often wonder at the thought processes of people that enjoy such activities, if they can be said to have any. Mindless repetition isn't my idea of fun.
there's no automation involved lol
People aren't idiots just because they play differently than you.
Of course, notice the healthy dose of sanctimony in that post. "I don't like playing a certain way so no one else should either," essentially. He insinuates that farming is cheating, and then suggests that you're misguided if you aren't. Lol
What's amazing and something that even I never saw coming in the decade since WoW basically destroyed the genre is that this is the next logical step...It's not enough for games to appeal to casuals, but now it's outright wrong to not be casual, too. Lol
We've gone from MMOs being so involved that they were niche games requiring inordinate amounts of time because of rare drops and needing groups and guilds, addicting people in the process to this new social outlet, to MMOs having some content for casual solo play, to being mostly about casual solo play, to now, apparently, it being morally and ethically WRONG to do anything in a game that isn't just casually riding the theme park ride with comparatively little interaction YET every other player seems to think it's their prerogative with a moral imperative attached to tell everyone else how they are supposed to play a game. And they are "exploiters," "cheaters," "elitists," and generally just BAD PEOPLE if the self appointed enlightened don't approve. Lol
Meanwhile, somebody posts about how they can't find a quality dungeon group endgame and they get garbage thrown at them for being "elitist" and that they "rushed to endgame" and somehow deserve it blah blah blah.
Frankly, I find it to be pathetic. No wonder games are all pablumized tripe these days. They have to sell games to an entire player base of twits. Congrats, the everybody gets a trophy for showing up self esteem generation has grown up and now infests MMOs. Of course it's wrong to farm, because if you accomplish anything by putting in extra effort that they can't be bothered to do, it's just unfair. Cry more, babies.
Again, for the record, I only do this because ZOS said it was intended for us to be able to do and because I know of no other way to have a complete recipe book.
To all the people who have a problem with farming I pose this question: If I want to have a full recipe book on my provisioner, how else do I do it without farming?
Answer me that, please. And if you want to send me all greens and blues from 30 to 50, along with all of the purples, then I'll be happy to stop.
Regale me. I can't wait to hear your solution.Edited by Fleymark on August 15, 2014 12:24AM3 -
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✭✭✭Frankly, I find it to be pathetic.
Again, for the record, I only do this because ZOS said it was intended for us to be able to do and because I know of no other way to have a complete recipe book.
To all the people who have a problem with farming I pose this question: If I want to have a full recipe book on my provisioner, how else do I do it without farming?
Answer me that, please. And if you want to send me all greens and blues from 30 to 50, along with all of the purples, then I'll be happy to stop.
Regale me. I can't wait to hear your solution.
I find pathetic this bottom feeding attitude. "I can't do something completely simple (in the simplest profession in game) that just requires 2-3 weeks to do the straight way so I'll resort to either try "force the system" or ask on a forum to be handed the welfare stuff over.
Guess what, without a single re-log I had provisioner 50 and all the recipes but 1 within 2 weeks of the game day zero. With no effort, most recipes bought from 27g to 150g each. The only ones I missed were the level 50 purples, that since some time are dropping so hard that price has dropped to 20% of what they were worth.
Not an easy ride enough? Let's beg on the forums to bypass the minimum effort the others did OR openly admit do circumvent the system to avoid such minimum effort.Edited by Vahrokh on August 15, 2014 12:19AMVaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭Frankly, I find it to be pathetic.
Again, for the record, I only do this because ZOS said it was intended for us to be able to do and because I know of no other way to have a complete recipe book.
To all the people who have a problem with farming I pose this question: If I want to have a full recipe book on my provisioner, how else do I do it without farming?
Answer me that, please. And if you want to send me all greens and blues from 30 to 50, along with all of the purples, then I'll be happy to stop.
Regale me. I can't wait to hear your solution.
I find pathetic this bottom feeding attitude. "I can't do something completely simple (in the simplest profession in game) that just requires 2-3 weeks to do the straight way so I'll resort to either try "force the system" or ask on a forum to be handed the welfare stuff over.
Guess what, without a single re-log I had provisioner 50 and all the recipes but 1 within 2 weeks of the game day zero. With no effort, most recipes bought from 27g to 150g each. The only ones I missed were the level 50 purples, that since some time are dropping so hard that price has dropped to 20% of what they were worth.
Not an easy ride enough? Let's beg on the forums to bypass the minimum effort the others did OR openly admit do circumvent the system to avoid such minimum effort.
First of all your post makes no sense. I'm putting extra time and effort into filling a recipe book. Doing WORK for it. Not asking for "welfare" or a "handout"....im doing the opposite of that...going and getting it myself. And I'm not "crying" about anything. I'm using this as an example of why farming is necessary in a discussion where you and others are crying about farming. Also the complete opposite.
Apparently not only are you in denial about farming not being an exploit, but you are having delusions about what is actually being discussed and inventing your own brand of pseudo logic. And you apparently don't know the first thing about how provisioning works. It's the easiest to level by far. The recipes are the hard part. The 50 and v5 blues are the easiest and cheapest to get. They drop like mad and are for sale everywhere because there are so many people playing in and farming at those levels. If you only want to level a provisioner to 50 to make vet level food it's super easy to do. If you want an entire complete recipe set for all levels it's a whole different ballgame. It's second only to enchanting in difficulty in the latter case simply because it's the only craft that you can't just go and get everything at any level. It requires actually being the level of the recipes to get them requiring an alt and farming. Bringing me to my next point...
Second, I'm calling BS.
The blues start at 10. There is absolutely NO way you got EVERY blue recipe, all 6 every 5 levels starting at level 10, AND all the purples, all 6 of them every 5 levels starting at 30 or 35 up to 50 by straight playing and buying them. In two weeks. LOL
They just aren't for sale. The 10s and 15s alone took me almost 3 weeks to farm. They drop slower than the high level blues and most people blow thru those levels and never see one. This is why I was able to sell my extras for 2-3k each. The purples often are because people know their value. Except there's no way, as a bon farmer, or even as a farmer for that matter, that you had the gold to buy a dozen or two purple recipes while levelling in two weeks. LOL
What you are describing is virtually impossible. The only remotely possible way I could see doing it is if you are in a dedicated provisioning guild and there are always recipes available. In which case I will LOL because I guarantee you bought your recipes from guildies who are farming them. That's the blues. With the purples you either are playing on some fantasy server where every recipe is available all the time unlike the NA server I'm on AND purchased gold to buy them with, the ultimate form of bottom feeding cheating, OR you are peddling a falsehood here. I suspect the latter, because you simply cannot find every blue and purple available for sale over months much less weeks. And if you aren't a cheater there's no way to afford them if you did.
Besides, I don't view buying them as an option. I've bought a couple that were dirt cheap and don't discount doing it again if I need the last for a level or something, but I'm not interested in buying recipes or motifs. I've looted all my motifs too and have them all except daedric and ancient elf, which I will get then I get to v6.
Nice try though. I've levelled two provisioners. Don't insult my intelligence, please.
As far as your personal insults, those aren't allowed here, so please refrain from calling me a "bottom feeder" and I'm not "circumventing" anything. I'm just playing the game as intended. Because ZOS officially told me I should do this before I started.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
From this thread in April:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense/p2
Edited by Fleymark on August 15, 2014 1:58AM2 -
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✭yea you ultimately were buying from people that farmed those recipes. lolDear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1
