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✭✭✭ezareth_ESO wrote: »@ezareth_ESO You can't have proper AoE build without streak so calling sorcerers that use it garbage is silly
Ball of lightning actually makes it harder to use more BE since it takes away all incoming damage. Which means You don't get magicka back from harness magicka.
I didn't call all Sorcs who use it garbage, only most of the garbage sorcs that I see. They run in and die constantly. Regardless I don't AoE and I feel the class can be far more useful in other ways.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Can you give me the name of the Sorc that kept BE up for 5 minutes, because soft capped on magicka regen and 100 points of the magicka soft-cap, I can get 5 casts out of it. That's full magicka to empty.
It's awesome skill don't get me wrong, but no-one can keep it up for that long (that's what she said). I'm guessing he times it and does it every 4 secs or he uses pots, or both.
The math simply doesn't add up here. First cast is expensive, second in 4 seconds costs 50% more, and Magicka regen is reduced for a period after first cast - multiple casts continue this.
And @skwornub18_ESO, why wouldn't you have to retarget? I have to retarget if you move significantly? They're not all AoE. We have to aim too.
Plus, if they're BE'ing for 5 minutes, they're not casting other spells. Why weren't you doing damage during the pauses?
How did this ultimately end?
If you could BE on end, Sorc's would still be using it for transit in place of the horse. Such is no longer the case.
I've had packs of 5-20 people chasing me for 10-30 minutes. You can bolt escape endlessly as long as you can continue to get pauses where you aren't interrupted to cast Dark exchange. And you'll be using tri-stat potions on every cooldown.
The only reason Sorc's could keep up with people on horseback back in the day is because no one had speed on their horses yet. Now, I can keep abreast of a max speed horse, maybe even gain slightly on him, but as soon as I have to stop and Dark Exchange he's far far ahead of me.ezareth_ESO wrote: »...
Nightblades with the right setup can now SNEAK as fast as I can bolt escape. I had one chase me across half the map before I had to turn and kill him. I'm not complaining on the forums about Night blades....
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Why didn't you just turn around, engage him or her in combat, then bolt away after he or she was toggled to in-combat?
The sneak setup only works when undetected and out of combat. Once combat is entered, Night's Silence loses its speed bonus completely until the player is able to get out of combat and return to undetected; plenty of time to bolt away before he or she gets the sneak speed back.
Or are you asking for Bolt Escape to be made so that it doesn't work while in combat like sneak?
He kept pace with me and was "spotting" for the posse that was chasing me. I had no idea how they knew where I was until he finally jumped me when I was out of magicka and starting a Dark Exchange.
As I said I think it is fine and I'm a firm believer in the L2P philosophy. When I find something that is effective against me or my team strategy I'll either mimic it, or find a better way to counter it.Halrloprillalar wrote: »I understand that it is frustrating when a sorcerer can just bolt away, but that also means that they are effectively no longer part of the battle and you have done your job.
No they are still part of the battle. They don't just ride off into the sunset never to be heard from again. That bolting sorc can go put up a camp, dark exchange and bolt back to prevent you from leaving, or come back to continually keep your group in combat so they can't mount.
In my spontaneous 1v1s with sorcs it is only on a very rare occasion that they actually bolt escape and leave. Almost invariably they BE away to regen so they can have another go at you while you're trying to get out of combat and mount to head to your destination. Bolt escaping away is almost never the end of the story.
And you reflect 90% of my abilities. WOE IS ME
Crystal shards should not be 90% of your ability. Whether you chose to shard or not has nothing to do with whether or not an escaped sorc is or is not still part of the battle.
Crystal Shards, Power Overload, Mages Fury (after 20%). That leaves our damaging class abilities to Curse which even morphed can only be cast every 3.5 seconds. It is damn near impossible to kill a DK who keeps his reflective scales up. I have an internal clock in my head that counts the seconds until his last scale and I toss an instant cast fragment in the moment that it wears off.NookyZooky wrote: »
a NB could keep up with your Be in SNEAK? how did he/she manage that?ezareth_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »im not arguing anything, but the person who originally posted said that sorcs dont even roll out of talons because they can teleport OUT of it, which is not true, they can teleport with it ON them, but they still have to rolldodge to get out of it.
all im doing is correcting your statement, whether or not sorcs should be able to teleport with it on them, is something i dont have an opinion on one way or another
That's picking on semantics to ignore the essence of the statement. Which is that Sorcs can move to their direction of choice (by teleporting) while rooted without having to roll, and all other classes can't. And that also by teleporting through you they do damage and stun you to boot.
Whether in relation to the talons they are in, out, in out, shake it all about...I couldn't care less.
You can't bolt in your direction of choice while rooted, you can only bolt forward. If you want to turn you need to roll out of them.
So who cares if a sorc can bolt escape while rooted Talons? It's an AOE root.
Are we crying that a DK can reflective scales almost every Sorc ability? Crystal Fragments, Power Overload, Mages Fury Explosion...all get reflected by a single ability that DKs have. Like you we learn to deal with it, that's part of the matchup.
Sorcs are the most mobile class in the game and there isn't a Sorc in the game who can bolt escape more than I can right now.
Pre nerf I could Bolt Escape 14 times in a row. Post nerf I could do 7. Now I can do 10, but my entire build and gear is built around it and few sorcs come close to it.
Since most garbage sorcs run Streak these days, try sending a sorc to chase them down. It is only those who have Ball Lightning that are a PITA to catch but it can be done.
Nightblades with the right setup can now SNEAK as fast as I can bolt escape. I had one chase me across half the map before I had to turn and kill him. I'm not complaining on the forums about Night blades....or the fact that pretty much every Templar in the game does nothing but spam Sun shield and you have to run them OOM before you can kill them which takes a long damn time even with multiple people.
The point is, it's fine. Just because you're not having success killing every sorc you see doesn't mean they need nerfed. When I'm doing my daily quests, my Sorc kills tick as fast or faster than any other class.
I know next to nothing about playing a nightblade but I assume it is Vampire + Night's Silence. I have a guy in my guild who looks like he has the speed hack while he is stealthed when he uses a run speed pot or we give him retreating maneuvers. He just flies across the map.....in stealth.[/quote]
ah. ok.
I also try to count the 4 seconds when reflective scales is up, if it goes down, I hit em with venom arrow. sometimes it will interrupt and stun them. not all the time though:(
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✭zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »You mean NB can use a skill that most the time does not work but takes your magicka anyways. Then when it does work it pops you out about 0.01 second into the 2.5 second timer or you get hit by any kind of dot and pop out also both wasting your magicka. AND wait for it, even when it does work with 2.5 seconds duration at that snail pace speed you can get a whole 2 feet away from your attacker.
Dont act like it is at all a viable way to run from someone. Unless you are a vamp with that set that does 60% speed bonus. In which case 1) you HAVE to play a vamp and they look derp or 2) lose a good bonus 5/5 set just to have a chance to have a ability that is as good as bolt if you take away all the times it just does not work and takes your magicka anyways....
No NB dont have a way to turtle or escape...
Neither Vampire nor Night's Silence set impact the viability of Cloak as an escape in any way; neither of their bonuses work with Cloak, only with sneak.
The only way to increase speed in Cloak is with Concealed Weapon slotted; however, that's still moving at slower than sprinting speed.
Lol yes it does work with cloak as it puts you in stealth. It works lol as I have seen and also been doing it here and there to run as fast as a horse lol...
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✭✭✭zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »You mean NB can use a skill that most the time does not work but takes your magicka anyways. Then when it does work it pops you out about 0.01 second into the 2.5 second timer or you get hit by any kind of dot and pop out also both wasting your magicka. AND wait for it, even when it does work with 2.5 seconds duration at that snail pace speed you can get a whole 2 feet away from your attacker.
Dont act like it is at all a viable way to run from someone. Unless you are a vamp with that set that does 60% speed bonus. In which case 1) you HAVE to play a vamp and they look derp or 2) lose a good bonus 5/5 set just to have a chance to have a ability that is as good as bolt if you take away all the times it just does not work and takes your magicka anyways....
No NB dont have a way to turtle or escape...
Neither Vampire nor Night's Silence set impact the viability of Cloak as an escape in any way; neither of their bonuses work with Cloak, only with sneak.
The only way to increase speed in Cloak is with Concealed Weapon slotted; however, that's still moving at slower than sprinting speed.
Lol yes it does work with cloak as it puts you in stealth. It works lol as I have seen and also been doing it here and there to run as fast as a horse lol...
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✭Sorcs got nerfed.. harder than the patch notes said also.. it ended up around 80% more to cast streak/BE within 4 seconds zenimaths strikes again. Really if your biggest issue is people RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU then you have bigger fish fry I'm afraid. If its from the point of view that streaking through a zerg is problem, then I will completely agree with you after zenimax locks the number of people in a zerg/group that can spam Mutagen, Impulse and Immovable all in sync.0 -
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✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »You mean NB can use a skill that most the time does not work but takes your magicka anyways. Then when it does work it pops you out about 0.01 second into the 2.5 second timer or you get hit by any kind of dot and pop out also both wasting your magicka. AND wait for it, even when it does work with 2.5 seconds duration at that snail pace speed you can get a whole 2 feet away from your attacker.
Dont act like it is at all a viable way to run from someone. Unless you are a vamp with that set that does 60% speed bonus. In which case 1) you HAVE to play a vamp and they look derp or 2) lose a good bonus 5/5 set just to have a chance to have a ability that is as good as bolt if you take away all the times it just does not work and takes your magicka anyways....
No NB dont have a way to turtle or escape...
Neither Vampire nor Night's Silence set impact the viability of Cloak as an escape in any way; neither of their bonuses work with Cloak, only with sneak.
The only way to increase speed in Cloak is with Concealed Weapon slotted; however, that's still moving at slower than sprinting speed.
Lol yes it does work with cloak as it puts you in stealth. It works lol as I have seen and also been doing it here and there to run as fast as a horse lol...
Invisible is not stealthed. You've got this wrong
No you do, as long as you do it right you can go stealth into cloak... without showing it as you in stealth thus why they do it so easy now...
The whole thing you are bringing up shows how BAD nb are. When we go cloak and attack we dont get the stealth open attacks (because it is not STEALTH even though it should be... however doing it right you can cloak into stealth...), ONCE again another broken thing for NBs as they are the forgotten class in this stupid game.
So no NB can go eat rubbish unless they waste a 5 set and want to look like a derp vamp...
The whole argument that cloak is ANYWHERE near as good as dragon blood, bolt and the heals of a temp is derp...
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Its very funny when a sorcerer trys to stun you with bolt escape multiple times in a 1vs1 ..and the only thing you have to do is press block .
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✭✭I find that NB stealth and run is far harder to counter than a simple bolt escape. Most sorcs stay at range any way if they know what they are doing and the minute they are pulled into combat as long as 2 or 3 people pummel them they go down fast due to normally having low armour and health. Plus if he has bolt escape as an ability then his got one less ability to use in combat when not fleeing.
Also when talking about nerfs, 9 out of 10 nerfs are trying to combat the elite 5% with all the gear and abilities and they just counter the nerf. The people who are hit hardest are the casual players who don't have time to get a new suit of gear to work around this weeks nerf.
I don't think that bolt escape should be nerfed, but let's not kid ourselves here. Nightblades don't get anything comparable. Maybe if the nightblade stealth gave us immunity to CC then it would be similar. Bolt escape not only works even if you are rooted, but it also stuns your opponent and depending on the morph it can either absorb projectiles or do damage and it is something that sorcerers can easily spam multiple times. I wish my nightblade had something that good.A lot of abilities can counter Bolt Escape. Putting them in talons (DK) seems to sort of work because they are in talons even if they BE, also Encase would probably help slow BE's down as well even though they can still use the skill... the CC is still active unless broken. Also any sort of charge ability like Critical Charge, Shield Charge, Teleport Strike, Focused Charge (Templar), Fiery Grip, I also wouldn't count out Obsidian Shard (DK) even though the damage is low the stun grounds you. They all work just need good timing. Also blocking when you have a Sorc Bolt Escaping through you helps a ton cause it does not stun you and therefore he is just wasting his magicka and probably gonna get nuked soon.
Also what works is getting another Sorc to chase him down and slow him down so the rest of you can catch up, works very well.
Not exactly. If they get bolt escape off before you complete the teleport strike it will not work. I chased a sorcerer the other day and my nightblade would jump in the air and turn dark but the spell cancelled because they target got out of range with bolt escape. With no cooldown on bolt escape it's actually very easy to get away from nightblades even if they use teleport strike. I would really like to see teleport strike improved to address some of these restrictions. If I can cast the spell it should finish no matter how far away my target moves, that's sort of the point of teleporting.sorry all you sorcs.. but BE does need a nerf
idc if zos nerfs the mana cost to 100% takes away the stun or dmg...
it needs something.. and for you sorcs telling ppl L2P i was reading.....
you go ahead and keep screaming that as you BE into the distance after you picked a fight you cant win....l2p
Again I don't want them to nerf it for sorcerers. I just want something as good for my nightblade. Either as a way to escape or as a way to attack. Pick your poison. Shadowcloak is not a reliable or comparable way to escape nor is teleport strike as good for attacking. Sorcerers literally get both of those in one spell. I would be happy if teleport strike didn't require a target and instead just teleported you forward and did an aoe attack stun when you landed. Then it would be comparable to bolt escape.I understand that it is frustrating when a sorcerer can just bolt away, but that also means that they are effectively no longer part of the battle and you have done your job.
I would rather have them dead and not be part of the battle.
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Bramir✭✭✭✭Why does everyone assume that they should be able to catch anyone who retreats? There wouldn't be any point in retreating if it didn't often work...
Its almost as stupid as melee toons expecting ranged people to stay in melee range so they can kill them...
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✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@zac_sooleprb18_ESO, I see your point. Sorcerers never have skills that consume resources yet don't function properly.
And turning completely invisible multiple times would never be considered an escape method? You get far enough away, you go back into sneak, and you have fully and effectively disappeared.
We had this happen yesterday when one snuck into a keep. Three of us were playing ring-around-the-rosy in an alcove like a bunch of idiots trying to catch the glimpses in between his ethereal escapades. Had he turned right once instead of left, he would have been gone.
The skills not firing off properly isn't a NB thing, right now it's an ESO thing.
Been there, died from that.
Honestly all you had to do was use an AoE stun/root and it would have knocked the poor nightblade right out of stealth. It really is that easy and it's not nearly as powerful as you describe.
I can confirm that bolt escape can pretty much negate the need for horses in Cyrodiil. I have a Breton sorcerer vampire. In all light armor with the racial passives from Breton and the passives from vampire and the passives from light armor along with the warlock set and decent food he can bolt escape right across the map with only very short pauses for magicka regen. Most of the time I just drink potions if I want to get a couple more out. It's really not that difficult to achieve. The bonus to all of this of course is that the more magicka you have the harder your spells hit so there really isn't any downside to going this route.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »skwornub18_ESO wrote: »I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.
Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.
Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.
Can you give me the name of the Sorc that kept BE up for 5 minutes, because soft capped on magicka regen and 100 points of the magicka soft-cap, I can get 5 casts out of it. That's full magicka to empty.
It's awesome skill don't get me wrong, but no-one can keep it up for that long (that's what she said). I'm guessing he times it and does it every 4 secs or he uses pots, or both.
The math simply doesn't add up here. First cast is expensive, second in 4 seconds costs 50% more, and Magicka regen is reduced for a period after first cast - multiple casts continue this.
And @skwornub18_ESO, why wouldn't you have to retarget? I have to retarget if you move significantly? They're not all AoE. We have to aim too.
Plus, if they're BE'ing for 5 minutes, they're not casting other spells. Why weren't you doing damage during the pauses?
How did this ultimately end?
If you could BE on end, Sorc's would still be using it for transit in place of the horse. Such is no longer the case.
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✭✭zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »You mean NB can use a skill that most the time does not work but takes your magicka anyways. Then when it does work it pops you out about 0.01 second into the 2.5 second timer or you get hit by any kind of dot and pop out also both wasting your magicka. AND wait for it, even when it does work with 2.5 seconds duration at that snail pace speed you can get a whole 2 feet away from your attacker.
Dont act like it is at all a viable way to run from someone. Unless you are a vamp with that set that does 60% speed bonus. In which case 1) you HAVE to play a vamp and they look derp or 2) lose a good bonus 5/5 set just to have a chance to have a ability that is as good as bolt if you take away all the times it just does not work and takes your magicka anyways....
No NB dont have a way to turtle or escape...
Neither Vampire nor Night's Silence set impact the viability of Cloak as an escape in any way; neither of their bonuses work with Cloak, only with sneak.
The only way to increase speed in Cloak is with Concealed Weapon slotted; however, that's still moving at slower than sprinting speed.
Lol yes it does work with cloak as it puts you in stealth. It works lol as I have seen and also been doing it here and there to run as fast as a horse lol...
No it does not. Cloak is not enough to activate it trust me. Invisibility and stealth are completely different mechanics in this game. Night's Silence works with stealth, not invisibility. Invisibility can keep you in stealth but it alone cannot put you into stealth.:trollin:1 -
griszax✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@zac_sooleprb18_ESO, I see your point. Sorcerers never have skills that consume resources yet don't function properly.
And turning completely invisible multiple times would never be considered an escape method? You get far enough away, you go back into sneak, and you have fully and effectively disappeared.
We had this happen yesterday when one snuck into a keep. Three of us were playing ring-around-the-rosy in an alcove like a bunch of idiots trying to catch the glimpses in between his ethereal escapades. Had he turned right once instead of left, he would have been gone.
The skills not firing off properly isn't a NB thing, right now it's an ESO thing.
Been there, died from that.
Honestly all you had to do was use an AoE stun/root and it would have knocked the poor nightblade right out of stealth. It really is that easy and it's not nearly as powerful as you describe.
I can confirm that bolt escape can pretty much negate the need for horses in Cyrodiil. I have a Breton sorcerer vampire. In all light armor with the racial passives from Breton and the passives from vampire and the passives from light armor along with the warlock set and decent food he can bolt escape right across the map with only very short pauses for magicka regen. Most of the time I just drink potions if I want to get a couple more out. It's really not that difficult to achieve. The bonus to all of this of course is that the more magicka you have the harder your spells hit so there really isn't any downside to going this route.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »skwornub18_ESO wrote: »I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.
Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.
Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.
Can you give me the name of the Sorc that kept BE up for 5 minutes, because soft capped on magicka regen and 100 points of the magicka soft-cap, I can get 5 casts out of it. That's full magicka to empty.
It's awesome skill don't get me wrong, but no-one can keep it up for that long (that's what she said). I'm guessing he times it and does it every 4 secs or he uses pots, or both.
The math simply doesn't add up here. First cast is expensive, second in 4 seconds costs 50% more, and Magicka regen is reduced for a period after first cast - multiple casts continue this.
And @skwornub18_ESO, why wouldn't you have to retarget? I have to retarget if you move significantly? They're not all AoE. We have to aim too.
Plus, if they're BE'ing for 5 minutes, they're not casting other spells. Why weren't you doing damage during the pauses?
How did this ultimately end?
If you could BE on end, Sorc's would still be using it for transit in place of the horse. Such is no longer the case.
Lol to this. If You really use BE to travel I don't know what to add here
You want to tell me You are sorc that waste whole his mana , potions to travel ?
I don't know where to start. Maybe let's start with the fact that after 6-7 casts sorcerer is already OOM ( 2 more casts with warlock set). Thats with warlock + seducer and 2.5 k mana. I would say it's fair trade off to be ABLE to run from fight with wasting Your whole mana resources and leaving You without any defense.
That ability doesn't give You some kind of God mode. Stop trying to nerf it even more because first nerf only hit people that used this ability in combat .
Harness magicka , dark exchange , pots will always allow for sorcerers to use this ability to run from fight.
Every class got their unique abilities. On my sorc I have to deal with dk's spamming reflect that leave me without most of my damaging skills, nb's 2-3 shotting people from stealth, templars spamming blazing shield. I have to make tactics to counter their skills and so should You with the sorcerers using BE.
If that skill worries You so much maybe You should also reroll to sorc and just run after them ?:)
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✭Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape
right because dark cloak/shadowy disguise is even remotely as useful as BE for running away.
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griszax✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape
right because dark cloak/shadowy disguise is even remotely as useful as BE for running away.
Maybe if everything in the game didn't pop you out of it...
Just because Nb ability is bugged ( is it still ?) doesn't allow players to cry for nerfs of other's players abilities that actually work
I had nightblades running from me many times and still didn't make a single forum about them spamming dark cloak and running away.Sandriks EU Auriel's bow2 -
Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape
right because dark cloak/shadowy disguise is even remotely as useful as BE for running away.
Maybe if everything in the game didn't pop you out of it...
Just because Nb ability is bugged ( is it still ?) doesn't allow players to cry for nerfs of other's players abilities that actually work
I had nightblades running from me many times and still didn't make a single forum about them spamming dark cloak and running away.
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NorthernFury✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape
right because dark cloak/shadowy disguise is even remotely as useful as BE for running away.
Maybe if everything in the game didn't pop you out of it...
Just because Nb ability is bugged ( is it still ?) doesn't allow players to cry for nerfs of other's players abilities that actually work
I had nightblades running from me many times and still didn't make a single forum about them spamming dark cloak and running away.
Seems like NB's in particular won't be happy until they can 1 shot kill everyone from undetectable stealth as an AoE ability.
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✭NorthernFury wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape
right because dark cloak/shadowy disguise is even remotely as useful as BE for running away.
Maybe if everything in the game didn't pop you out of it...
Just because Nb ability is bugged ( is it still ?) doesn't allow players to cry for nerfs of other's players abilities that actually work
I had nightblades running from me many times and still didn't make a single forum about them spamming dark cloak and running away.
Seems like NB's in particular won't be happy until they can 1 shot kill everyone from undetectable stealth as an AoE ability.
Agree, in their defence though they were the unloved child at release so now they expect more.
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✭✭✭zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »You mean NB can use a skill that most the time does not work but takes your magicka anyways. Then when it does work it pops you out about 0.01 second into the 2.5 second timer or you get hit by any kind of dot and pop out also both wasting your magicka. AND wait for it, even when it does work with 2.5 seconds duration at that snail pace speed you can get a whole 2 feet away from your attacker.
Dont act like it is at all a viable way to run from someone. Unless you are a vamp with that set that does 60% speed bonus. In which case 1) you HAVE to play a vamp and they look derp or 2) lose a good bonus 5/5 set just to have a chance to have a ability that is as good as bolt if you take away all the times it just does not work and takes your magicka anyways....
No NB dont have a way to turtle or escape...
Neither Vampire nor Night's Silence set impact the viability of Cloak as an escape in any way; neither of their bonuses work with Cloak, only with sneak.
The only way to increase speed in Cloak is with Concealed Weapon slotted; however, that's still moving at slower than sprinting speed.
Lol yes it does work with cloak as it puts you in stealth. It works lol as I have seen and also been doing it here and there to run as fast as a horse lol...
No, it doesn't.
My Nightblade Vampire in Night's Silence set travels at the exact same speed as my regular Nightblade alt does when using Cloak.
My Vampire is only faster while sneaking.
When I am detected and in combat, the Night's Silence bonus goes away and does not reactivate even if I am in crouch and use Cloak.
Cloak and Sneak are two different mechanics. Cloak can be used while Sneaking, but at that point the Sneak passives are already active or inactive and Cloak does not change that.
What does happen when using Cloak is a 25% move speed increase from Concealed Weapon.
If a Nightblade Vampire has Concealed Weapon, he or she will Sneak and Cloak at faster than running speed.
If a regular Nightblade has Concealed Weapon, he or she will Cloak at faster than running speed; however, he or she will still sneak at less than running speed.
The Vampire passive has no effect on Cloak; only on Sneak. This is also true of the Night's Silence set.
I've tested these setups with three different characters (a Nightblade, a Nightblade Vampire, and a Templar as both vampire and human)."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭Black-Bird wrote: »NorthernFury wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape
right because dark cloak/shadowy disguise is even remotely as useful as BE for running away.
Maybe if everything in the game didn't pop you out of it...
Just because Nb ability is bugged ( is it still ?) doesn't allow players to cry for nerfs of other's players abilities that actually work
I had nightblades running from me many times and still didn't make a single forum about them spamming dark cloak and running away.
Seems like NB's in particular won't be happy until they can 1 shot kill everyone from undetectable stealth as an AoE ability.
Agree, in their defence though they were the unloved child at release so now they expect more.
sets a bad precedent, like it did in Rift"nerf rock, paper is fine" - scissors
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✭✭✭just to inform people that don't know, you do not benefit from any bonus to sneak speed while cloaked. not only that, but the nights silence set ONLY functions(besides the added percentages to critical chance and stamina) when the stealth eye says you are hidden. the word "hidden" has to be visible, or it will not work. Just to inform peopleEdited by Cody on August 15, 2014 5:56AM0 -
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✭The people responding to me are doing so for no reason...
1) I was saying cloak was rubbish compared to bolt so saying that going cloak wont activate the speed boost is just agreeing with me so STOP replying with dumb responses. (thus because the cloak wouldnt help speed so proves my point even more)
2) There is a way to activate stealth going into cloak, I ALREADY KNOW it is a different mechanic and that using cloak does not activate stealth, ffs I even said that. What I was saying and you all ignored was that there is ANOTHER way to activate stealth while going into cloak.... I wont say how but people are using it....
3) It does not mater if you can or cant or if you use the method I was talking about to go stealth while using cloak because the end point I was making was that cloak is rubbish compared to bolt....
OMFG wish people would bloody read and or not try to prove a point that I was already trying to state...
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seriously people, asking for further sorc teleport nerf...
every class has its op/usefull ability, please check first, what do you have
nb invisibility is ridiculos. good nightblades are very hard to chase down
dk and templar can turtle up and use some very hard deffensive spell.
sorcerers defensive ability is what? unless you are a bad opponent with no impenetrable, crit surge heal doesnt work, all you have is the dmg shield which you cant spam before it is down, some resto staff heals, and to run away
oh and last, check this video. a guy did it a long time ago, but still very useful.
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✭^ lol. yea cloak is amazing 10% of the time and even then when it works you get a massive 2 feet away. Nerf the not working skill that moves you slower then a snail its op. Read previous comments before you post pls
*edit* read the comments on that thread you linked hahaha, you seriously just proved it is op... derEdited by Hortator Indoril Nerevar on August 15, 2014 7:39AM0 -
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Would you say that this fits the bug category or is it just a logical but uncommon use of a skill?zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »2) There is a way to activate stealth going into cloak, I ALREADY KNOW it is a different mechanic and that using cloak does not activate stealth, ffs I even said that. What I was saying and you all ignored was that there is ANOTHER way to activate stealth while going into cloak.... I wont say how but people are using it....
*Yeah even the sorcs in that dojo thread are calling foul at that video.Edited by Armitas on August 15, 2014 1:31PMRetired.
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✭✭✭zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »The people responding to me are doing so for no reason...
1) I was saying cloak was rubbish compared to bolt so saying that going cloak wont activate the speed boost is just agreeing with me so STOP replying with dumb responses. (thus because the cloak wouldnt help speed so proves my point even more)
2) There is a way to activate stealth going into cloak, I ALREADY KNOW it is a different mechanic and that using cloak does not activate stealth, ffs I even said that. What I was saying and you all ignored was that there is ANOTHER way to activate stealth while going into cloak.... I wont say how but people are using it....
3) It does not mater if you can or cant or if you use the method I was talking about to go stealth while using cloak because the end point I was making was that cloak is rubbish compared to bolt....
OMFG wish people would bloody read and or not try to prove a point that I was already trying to state...
So much pointless.
I fully agree with and respect the point that Cloak is not an effective escape tool.
All I did was correct the incorrect information you posted about Cloak.
It's possible to go from Cloak directly into Hidden Sneak when not in combat. I do so frequently.
It's not possible to go from Cloak directly into Hidden Sneak when in combat. Doing so does not make the Nightblade undetected or out of combat, and the speed of being a vampire with Night's Silence does not activate.
A regular Nightblade and a vampire Nightblade with Night's Silence set have the exact same capacity to escape combat.
There isn't some sort of setup that turns Cloak into something spectacular. It remains the same lackluster skill regardless of how the Nightblade builds."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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✭zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »The people responding to me are doing so for no reason...
1) I was saying cloak was rubbish compared to bolt so saying that going cloak wont activate the speed boost is just agreeing with me so STOP replying with dumb responses. (thus because the cloak wouldnt help speed so proves my point even more)
2) There is a way to activate stealth going into cloak, I ALREADY KNOW it is a different mechanic and that using cloak does not activate stealth, ffs I even said that. What I was saying and you all ignored was that there is ANOTHER way to activate stealth while going into cloak.... I wont say how but people are using it....
3) It does not mater if you can or cant or if you use the method I was talking about to go stealth while using cloak because the end point I was making was that cloak is rubbish compared to bolt....
OMFG wish people would bloody read and or not try to prove a point that I was already trying to state...
So much pointless.
I fully agree with and respect the point that Cloak is not an effective escape tool.
All I did was correct the incorrect information you posted about Cloak.
It's possible to go from Cloak directly into Hidden Sneak when not in combat. I do so frequently.
It's not possible to go from Cloak directly into Hidden Sneak when in combat. Doing so does not make the Nightblade undetected or out of combat, and the speed of being a vampire with Night's Silence does not activate.
A regular Nightblade and a vampire Nightblade with Night's Silence set have the exact same capacity to escape combat.
There isn't some sort of setup that turns Cloak into something spectacular. It remains the same lackluster skill regardless of how the Nightblade builds.
How do you not get this.... I am (anyone can) able to do something before going into cloak that allows me to get the bonus as if I am in sneak, IF you do it the NORMAL way it WONT work but IF you do SOMETHING (which I wont explain here) you can go into cloak and get the bonus as stealthed! Thus why after every cloak I get a crit off.
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*edit* even when in combat you can get into cloak as stealthed if you do this trick... jesus just understand plssssss omfg just read.
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✭Make it so a huge text wall covers your screen before they pres BE. "The sorc you have engaged is pressing Bolt....NOW" Then Ill be able to stop what Im doing and block.
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✭I'm assuming this is a thread complaining because someone does not like sorcerers using multiple bolt escapes (and morphs).
If someone can't use the correct names of classes and abilities then I doubt they have enough of a grasp of the game mechanics to make a valid complaint.
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It's quite fun to make sorcerers who just spam bolt escape go splat.
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