skwornub18_ESO wrote: »This is still abused wholesale. Please do something about it. Really tire dof mages being able to perma port and still suffer no mana issues
Out of curiosity, if you are stunned, do you have to break stun before you can cast Bolt Escape or if you press it, you teleport automatically? Last time i repeatedly stunned a BE caster and he was still able to jump everywhere and i never saw him have to break stuns. The only way i found how to counter Bolt Escape is to cast Ambush or Lotus Fan(preferably, i used lotus fan because then they become snared as well plus it hilarious when you "teleport" with them).
Tintinabula wrote: »Sorcs always said the last nerf wasn't a "real" nerf. A handful of sorcs know how to use it offensively and endlessly.
youre so bad, lmao
Out of curiosity, if you are stunned, do you have to break stun before you can cast Bolt Escape or if you press it, you teleport automatically? Last time i repeatedly stunned a BE caster and he was still able to jump everywhere and i never saw him have to break stuns. The only way i found how to counter Bolt Escape is to cast Ambush or Lotus Fan(preferably, i used lotus fan because then they become snared as well plus it hilarious when you "teleport" with them).
zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »You mean NB can use a skill that most the time does not work but takes your magicka anyways. Then when it does work it pops you out about 0.01 second into the 2.5 second timer or you get hit by any kind of dot and pop out also both wasting your magicka. AND wait for it, even when it does work with 2.5 seconds duration at that snail pace speed you can get a whole 2 feet away from your attacker.
Dont act like it is at all a viable way to run from someone. Unless you are a vamp with that set that does 60% speed bonus. In which case 1) you HAVE to play a vamp and they look derp or 2) lose a good bonus 5/5 set just to have a chance to have a ability that is as good as bolt if you take away all the times it just does not work and takes your magicka anyways....
No NB dont have a way to turtle or escape...
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »NookyZooky wrote: »they can only do this if they are VERY specifically built for it. Iv seen only about 2-3 people do it the past few months. the skill has been nerfed enough, when you find players doing this, just deal with it. once they let us make magicka ravaging poisons, we can put a stop to it.
Only 2-3 people in the past few months spamming Bolt Escape? LMFAO.
BE is used by mages virtually as much as Shadowcloak is by Nightblades. Personally I'm not finding it the huge issue some are but it is certainly annoying and in no way do I believe it should stun anyone ever. It is designed as a defensive "oh crap" not as an offensive weapon which it still is. In PvP it's basically used as an AOE stun which is absolute BS.
Leave it as is but remove stun and it will serve the function intended.
Well actually it is intended as an offensive weapon. Streak is an offensive morph. Ball of Lightning is the defensive morph.I personally don't find the stun so much an issue, since I keep Immovable on my main bar and up during combat, plus it only lasts 2 secs so it's out very quickly. Ironically, the stun from BE is what sometimes alerts me to the presence of a Sorc and reminds me to activate Immovable lol
However I find one thing annoying about BE, which is the Sorc's ability to teleport right through my Talons. If spent magicka to CC somebody I expect them to be CCed and to have to spent the stamina cost of roll dodge to get out and get the immunity. Or to use purge or something to remove the effects. CCing the Sorc only for him to BE right through me and not only get away but deal dmg too, is very annoying.
NookyZooky wrote: »yes. I really have only seen 2-3 people actually spam it the last few months. I saw the last two a few days ago.
I do agree it should not stun people. its called bolt ESCAPE, escaping and fighting are two different things. though I myself don't really have a problem with it.
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »NookyZooky wrote: »they can only do this if they are VERY specifically built for it. Iv seen only about 2-3 people do it the past few months. the skill has been nerfed enough, when you find players doing this, just deal with it. once they let us make magicka ravaging poisons, we can put a stop to it.
Only 2-3 people in the past few months spamming Bolt Escape? LMFAO.
BE is used by mages virtually as much as Shadowcloak is by Nightblades. Personally I'm not finding it the huge issue some are but it is certainly annoying and in no way do I believe it should stun anyone ever. It is designed as a defensive "oh crap" not as an offensive weapon which it still is. In PvP it's basically used as an AOE stun which is absolute BS.
Leave it as is but remove stun and it will serve the function intended.
Well actually it is intended as an offensive weapon. Streak is an offensive morph. Ball of Lightning is the defensive morph.I personally don't find the stun so much an issue, since I keep Immovable on my main bar and up during combat, plus it only lasts 2 secs so it's out very quickly. Ironically, the stun from BE is what sometimes alerts me to the presence of a Sorc and reminds me to activate Immovable lol
However I find one thing annoying about BE, which is the Sorc's ability to teleport right through my Talons. If spent magicka to CC somebody I expect them to be CCed and to have to spent the stamina cost of roll dodge to get out and get the immunity. Or to use purge or something to remove the effects. CCing the Sorc only for him to BE right through me and not only get away but deal dmg too, is very annoying.
Well actually that's how it's being used, not necessarily how it's intended. :-p Just because it's a stun doesn't mean it's an offensive ability. It has an AOE effect. You don't have to actually pass through the body of a player to stun them. IMO it's meant as a means to facilitate an escape by slowing any responsive reaction as the Sorc escapes. IMO it's not meant to be an AOE repeatable, uncounterable (unless as has been pointed out you have unmovable.) continuous stun.
Fundamentally it is still a defensive mechanism. At best the intent is to allow for positional advantage. Incidentally, however, it is being used to pin down whole groups.NookyZooky wrote: »yes. I really have only seen 2-3 people actually spam it the last few months. I saw the last two a few days ago.
I do agree it should not stun people. its called bolt ESCAPE, escaping and fighting are two different things. though I myself don't really have a problem with it.
Fair enough. Not going to argue what you've seen or haven't seen. I've seen many, many more than 2-3. In any case it appears we are in agreement regarding BE in general. I'll take that...cheers.
OtarTheMad wrote: »Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.
skwornub18_ESO wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.
I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.
Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.
Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.
skwornub18_ESO wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.
I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.
Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.
Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.
skwornub18_ESO wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.
I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.
Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.
Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.
I'm pretty sure that sorc was using harness magicka so every time You used spells on him he was getting mana back needed to cast bolt escape. Basicly thanks to You he was able to spam it. People should try to learn the game mechanics before posting threads.
Same thing happens for every class using harness magicka and fighting other spell based build.
sorry all you sorcs.. but BE does need a nerf
idc if zos nerfs the mana cost to 100% takes away the stun or dmg...
it needs something.. and for you sorcs telling ppl L2P i was reading.....
you go ahead and keep screaming that as you BE into the distance after you picked a fight you cant win....l2p
skwornub18_ESO wrote: »skwornub18_ESO wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.
I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.
Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.
Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.
I'm pretty sure that sorc was using harness magicka so every time You used spells on him he was getting mana back needed to cast bolt escape. Basicly thanks to You he was able to spam it. People should try to learn the game mechanics before posting threads.
Same thing happens for every class using harness magicka and fighting other spell based build.
OK so assuming that is the case then how would anyone ever drain the magicka down on a sorc using that combo to counter BE? Most on this thread said BE was fine because of the magicka drain here you are basically saying yep they can spam it infinity and are giving the mechanics of how. Basically agreeing with what I said in that they are magicka limitless when PVPing .
Regardless of what you know of game mechanics the end result is a limitless spammable BE or no way to drain a sorc when fighting them. in the end the result is the same.
if they can teleport 10 yards away from you, it wont matter if they still have the root on them or not, they can still get away without paying the roll dodge cost everyone else has to pay. whether or not the root is still on them is irrelevant. im not saying BE needs any nerfs. as it does not. but just pointing out why the person you are arguing with is disagreeing with youmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »im not arguing anything, but the person who originally posted said that sorcs dont even roll out of talons because they can teleport OUT of it, which is not true, they can teleport with it ON them, but they still have to rolldodge to get out of it.
all im doing is correcting your statement, whether or not sorcs should be able to teleport with it on them, is something i dont have an opinion on one way or another
That's picking on semantics to ignore the essence of the statement. Which is that Sorcs can move to their direction of choice (by teleporting) while rooted without having to roll, and all other classes can't. And that also by teleporting through you they do damage and stun you to boot.
Whether in relation to the talons they are in, out, in out, shake it all about...I couldn't care less.
BREAKING CC and teleporting with CC STILL ON YOU, is NOT semantics, its mislabeling game mechanics.
you just need to learn about the skills youre talking about before you comment on them, or else not get so defensive when people correct your erroneous statements
also no one is IGNORING the essence of the statement, just correcting you so you dont misinform people
I understand that it is frustrating when a sorcerer can just bolt away, but that also means that they are effectively no longer part of the battle and you have done your job.
Tintinabula wrote: »I understand that it is frustrating when a sorcerer can just bolt away, but that also means that they are effectively no longer part of the battle and you have done your job.
This is good in theory but in reality bolt is rarely used for sorcs to escape anymore..Its used as a tool to confuse and stun and force your opponents to stay in block while they don't have to deal with much fear of anything.. and if you DO get lucky and "catch them" you have to do 3 k damage before they bolt again?..not likely in a 1V1
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »im not arguing anything, but the person who originally posted said that sorcs dont even roll out of talons because they can teleport OUT of it, which is not true, they can teleport with it ON them, but they still have to rolldodge to get out of it.
all im doing is correcting your statement, whether or not sorcs should be able to teleport with it on them, is something i dont have an opinion on one way or another
That's picking on semantics to ignore the essence of the statement. Which is that Sorcs can move to their direction of choice (by teleporting) while rooted without having to roll, and all other classes can't. And that also by teleporting through you they do damage and stun you to boot.
Whether in relation to the talons they are in, out, in out, shake it all about...I couldn't care less.