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  • Harnesh
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    Here ya go perfect class balance enjoy.Pong.png
  • griszax
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    This is still abused wholesale. Please do something about it. Really tire dof mages being able to perma port and still suffer no mana issues

    HAHA this :D Only time when sorc can really spam BE nowadays is when some idiot player who have no idea of game mechanics help him. Do You even know how much mana BE cost after first cast ? I'm pretty sure You don't since You made this pointless thread.

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  • OtarTheMad
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    Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.
  • Mjollo
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    Out of curiosity, if you are stunned, do you have to break stun before you can cast Bolt Escape or if you press it, you teleport automatically? Last time i repeatedly stunned a BE caster and he was still able to jump everywhere and i never saw him have to break stuns. The only way i found how to counter Bolt Escape is to cast Ambush or Lotus Fan(preferably, i used lotus fan because then they become snared as well plus it hilarious when you "teleport" with them).
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  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    Defialed wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, if you are stunned, do you have to break stun before you can cast Bolt Escape or if you press it, you teleport automatically? Last time i repeatedly stunned a BE caster and he was still able to jump everywhere and i never saw him have to break stuns. The only way i found how to counter Bolt Escape is to cast Ambush or Lotus Fan(preferably, i used lotus fan because then they become snared as well plus it hilarious when you "teleport" with them).

    actually i would really like to see this..

    2 players with immoveable, one sorc, other nightblade.

    then just chaining Bolt escape and Ambust, teleporting across the map...

    would be a intresting spectacle..
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  • eventide03b14a_ESO
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    People are still complaining about Bolt Escape being OP? Where is the outrage from the OP about Pulsar? In my opinion it is the absolute worst spell hands down. It does way too much damage for it's magicka cost and it has a health reduction?! Quickest way decimate the destruction staff using population would be to nerf the frick out of that spell.
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  • Tintinabula
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    Nala_ wrote: »
    Sorcs always said the last nerf wasn't a "real" nerf. A handful of sorcs know how to use it offensively and endlessly.

    youre so bad, lmao

    where did that come from?..Who are you? ..and how does that add to this thread?
    Edited by Tintinabula on August 11, 2014 6:29PM
  • AshTal
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    I find that NB stealth and run is far harder to counter than a simple bolt escape. Most sorcs stay at range any way if they know what they are doing and the minute they are pulled into combat as long as 2 or 3 people pummel them they go down fast due to normally having low armour and health. Plus if he has bolt escape as an ability then his got one less ability to use in combat when not fleeing.

    Also when talking about nerfs, 9 out of 10 nerfs are trying to combat the elite 5% with all the gear and abilities and they just counter the nerf. The people who are hit hardest are the casual players who don't have time to get a new suit of gear to work around this weeks nerf.
  • Halrloprillalar
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    It has been nerfed enough, STFU already.
  • OtarTheMad
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    Defialed wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, if you are stunned, do you have to break stun before you can cast Bolt Escape or if you press it, you teleport automatically? Last time i repeatedly stunned a BE caster and he was still able to jump everywhere and i never saw him have to break stuns. The only way i found how to counter Bolt Escape is to cast Ambush or Lotus Fan(preferably, i used lotus fan because then they become snared as well plus it hilarious when you "teleport" with them).

    A lot of abilities can counter Bolt Escape. Putting them in talons (DK) seems to sort of work because they are in talons even if they BE, also Encase would probably help slow BE's down as well even though they can still use the skill... the CC is still active unless broken. Also any sort of charge ability like Critical Charge, Shield Charge, Teleport Strike, Focused Charge (Templar), Fiery Grip, I also wouldn't count out Obsidian Shard (DK) even though the damage is low the stun grounds you. They all work just need good timing. Also blocking when you have a Sorc Bolt Escaping through you helps a ton cause it does not stun you and therefore he is just wasting his magicka and probably gonna get nuked soon.

    Also what works is getting another Sorc to chase him down and slow him down so the rest of you can catch up, works very well.

  • NorthernFury
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    I think I just lost 10 IQ points trying to follow the logic of why this should be nerfed.

    BE is fine. L2P.

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  • arkansas_ESO
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    I've found DOTs to work best against sorcs that use Bolt Escape. I use Unstable Flame, but non DKs could use Poison Arrow or something similar.

    The only way to get rid of a DOT before it expires is to use a cleanse or purge, and the only purge available to a sorcerer in a 1v1 context is Efficient Purge from the Support skill line. Purge costs a good amount of magicka, and combined with Bolt Escape's increasing cost, the sorc will either be forced to stop BEing or deal with the DOT.


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  • Samadhi
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    You mean NB can use a skill that most the time does not work but takes your magicka anyways. Then when it does work it pops you out about 0.01 second into the 2.5 second timer or you get hit by any kind of dot and pop out also both wasting your magicka. AND wait for it, even when it does work with 2.5 seconds duration at that snail pace speed you can get a whole 2 feet away from your attacker.

    Dont act like it is at all a viable way to run from someone. Unless you are a vamp with that set that does 60% speed bonus. In which case 1) you HAVE to play a vamp and they look derp or 2) lose a good bonus 5/5 set just to have a chance to have a ability that is as good as bolt if you take away all the times it just does not work and takes your magicka anyways....

    No NB dont have a way to turtle or escape...

    Neither Vampire nor Night's Silence set impact the viability of Cloak as an escape in any way; neither of their bonuses work with Cloak, only with sneak.

    The only way to increase speed in Cloak is with Concealed Weapon slotted; however, that's still moving at slower than sprinting speed.
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  • Vizier
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    Vizier wrote: »
    NookyZooky wrote: »
    they can only do this if they are VERY specifically built for it. Iv seen only about 2-3 people do it the past few months. the skill has been nerfed enough, when you find players doing this, just deal with it. once they let us make magicka ravaging poisons, we can put a stop to it.

    Only 2-3 people in the past few months spamming Bolt Escape? LMFAO.

    BE is used by mages virtually as much as Shadowcloak is by Nightblades. Personally I'm not finding it the huge issue some are but it is certainly annoying and in no way do I believe it should stun anyone ever. It is designed as a defensive "oh crap" not as an offensive weapon which it still is. In PvP it's basically used as an AOE stun which is absolute BS.

    Leave it as is but remove stun and it will serve the function intended.

    Well actually it is intended as an offensive weapon. Streak is an offensive morph. Ball of Lightning is the defensive morph.I personally don't find the stun so much an issue, since I keep Immovable on my main bar and up during combat, plus it only lasts 2 secs so it's out very quickly. Ironically, the stun from BE is what sometimes alerts me to the presence of a Sorc and reminds me to activate Immovable lol

    However I find one thing annoying about BE, which is the Sorc's ability to teleport right through my Talons. If spent magicka to CC somebody I expect them to be CCed and to have to spent the stamina cost of roll dodge to get out and get the immunity. Or to use purge or something to remove the effects. CCing the Sorc only for him to BE right through me and not only get away but deal dmg too, is very annoying.

    Well actually that's how it's being used, not necessarily how it's intended. :-p Just because it's a stun doesn't mean it's an offensive ability. It has an AOE effect. You don't have to actually pass through the body of a player to stun them. IMO it's meant as a means to facilitate an escape by slowing any responsive reaction as the Sorc escapes. IMO it's not meant to be an AOE repeatable, uncounterable (unless as has been pointed out you have unmovable.) continuous stun.

    Fundamentally it is still a defensive mechanism. At best the intent is to allow for positional advantage. Incidentally, however, it is being used to pin down whole groups.
    NookyZooky wrote: »
    yes. I really have only seen 2-3 people actually spam it the last few months. I saw the last two a few days ago.
    I do agree it should not stun people. its called bolt ESCAPE, escaping and fighting are two different things. though I myself don't really have a problem with it.

    Fair enough. Not going to argue what you've seen or haven't seen. I've seen many, many more than 2-3. In any case it appears we are in agreement regarding BE in general. I'll take that...cheers.
    Edited by Vizier on August 11, 2014 9:09PM
  • Maulkin
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    Vizier wrote: »
    Vizier wrote: »
    NookyZooky wrote: »
    they can only do this if they are VERY specifically built for it. Iv seen only about 2-3 people do it the past few months. the skill has been nerfed enough, when you find players doing this, just deal with it. once they let us make magicka ravaging poisons, we can put a stop to it.

    Only 2-3 people in the past few months spamming Bolt Escape? LMFAO.

    BE is used by mages virtually as much as Shadowcloak is by Nightblades. Personally I'm not finding it the huge issue some are but it is certainly annoying and in no way do I believe it should stun anyone ever. It is designed as a defensive "oh crap" not as an offensive weapon which it still is. In PvP it's basically used as an AOE stun which is absolute BS.

    Leave it as is but remove stun and it will serve the function intended.

    Well actually it is intended as an offensive weapon. Streak is an offensive morph. Ball of Lightning is the defensive morph.I personally don't find the stun so much an issue, since I keep Immovable on my main bar and up during combat, plus it only lasts 2 secs so it's out very quickly. Ironically, the stun from BE is what sometimes alerts me to the presence of a Sorc and reminds me to activate Immovable lol

    However I find one thing annoying about BE, which is the Sorc's ability to teleport right through my Talons. If spent magicka to CC somebody I expect them to be CCed and to have to spent the stamina cost of roll dodge to get out and get the immunity. Or to use purge or something to remove the effects. CCing the Sorc only for him to BE right through me and not only get away but deal dmg too, is very annoying.

    Well actually that's how it's being used, not necessarily how it's intended. :-p Just because it's a stun doesn't mean it's an offensive ability. It has an AOE effect. You don't have to actually pass through the body of a player to stun them. IMO it's meant as a means to facilitate an escape by slowing any responsive reaction as the Sorc escapes. IMO it's not meant to be an AOE repeatable, uncounterable (unless as has been pointed out you have unmovable.) continuous stun.

    Fundamentally it is still a defensive mechanism. At best the intent is to allow for positional advantage. Incidentally, however, it is being used to pin down whole groups.
    NookyZooky wrote: »
    yes. I really have only seen 2-3 people actually spam it the last few months. I saw the last two a few days ago.
    I do agree it should not stun people. its called bolt ESCAPE, escaping and fighting are two different things. though I myself don't really have a problem with it.

    Fair enough. Not going to argue what you've seen or haven't seen. I've seen many, many more than 2-3. In any case it appears we are in agreement regarding BE in general. I'll take that...cheers.

    I think you're missing something. BE has two morphs.

    Streak (the offensive morph) is not just a stun, it also does about 300 damage over every person around you. It's an AoE dmg+stun. That's an awesome attacking ability not a defensive one. It's intended for you to pass over people, hence the dmg addition.

    Ball of Lightning on the other hand is the defensive morph. Because the little ball it leaves behind absorbs projectiles, so you can escape without worrying about getting floored by crystal shards or venom arrows. But that morph does no damage.
    Edited by Maulkin on August 11, 2014 10:54PM
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  • Skwor
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    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.

    I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.

    Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.

    Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.
    Edited by Skwor on August 11, 2014 11:05PM
  • vokage89
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    sorry all you sorcs.. but BE does need a nerf
    idc if zos nerfs the mana cost to 100% takes away the stun or dmg...
    it needs something.. and for you sorcs telling ppl L2P i was reading.....
    you go ahead and keep screaming that as you BE into the distance after you picked a fight you cant win....l2p
    Edited by vokage89 on August 11, 2014 11:11PM
  • Maulkin
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    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.

    I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.

    Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.

    Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.

    Can you give me the name of the Sorc that kept BE up for 5 minutes, because soft capped on magicka regen and 100 points of the magicka soft-cap, I can get 5 casts out of it. That's full magicka to empty.

    It's awesome skill don't get me wrong, but no-one can keep it up for that long (that's what she said). I'm guessing he times it and does it every 4 secs or he uses pots, or both.
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  • griszax
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    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.

    I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.

    Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.

    Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.

    I'm pretty sure that sorc was using harness magicka so every time You used spells on him he was getting mana back needed to cast bolt escape. Basicly thanks to You he was able to spam it. People should try to learn the game mechanics before posting threads.

    Same thing happens for every class using harness magicka and fighting other spell based build.
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  • Skwor
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    griszax wrote: »
    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.

    I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.

    Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.

    Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.

    I'm pretty sure that sorc was using harness magicka so every time You used spells on him he was getting mana back needed to cast bolt escape. Basicly thanks to You he was able to spam it. People should try to learn the game mechanics before posting threads.

    Same thing happens for every class using harness magicka and fighting other spell based build.

    OK so assuming that is the case then how would anyone ever drain the magicka down on a sorc using that combo to counter BE? Most on this thread said BE was fine because of the magicka drain here you are basically saying yep they can spam it infinity and are giving the mechanics of how. Basically agreeing with what I said in that they are magicka limitless when PVPing .

    Regardless of what you know of game mechanics the end result is a limitless spammable BE or no way to drain a sorc when fighting them. in the end the result is the same.
  • NorthernFury
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    vokage89 wrote: »
    sorry all you sorcs.. but BE does need a nerf
    idc if zos nerfs the mana cost to 100% takes away the stun or dmg...
    it needs something.. and for you sorcs telling ppl L2P i was reading.....
    you go ahead and keep screaming that as you BE into the distance after you picked a fight you cant win....l2p

    Sure. Just as soon as Green Dragon Blood, Blazing Sheild, and Shadow Cloak take a nerf.

    The point is, it's a skill that another class has that works, that you dont like. Oh, and L2P.

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  • Maulkin
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    griszax wrote: »
    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    Bolt Escape does not need to be nerfed again, it's fine the way it is. Plenty of tactics can render a BE spammer useless and pretty much just killing his magicka, leading to quick death.

    I would agree if what you said about magicka was true, truth if speced right BE can and is be cast with little to no risk of running out of magicka. Actually make it so BE does in fact result in risking a magicka drain and it would be fine having seen numerous offensive spam BE's, one fight where I personally spent almost 5 minutes in continuous combat using the templar's charge where the sorc continuously spammed BE never showing signs of it causing magicka issues.

    Of course they could also change charge so when the sorc BE's I don't have to re-target so I can charge again, this would then be on parity where a sorc can BE and spam a spell for dps and not have to re-target. That would be balance as well.

    Now I could of just stayed defensive then the fight would have lasted forever. That I guess is balance to but seems pointless.

    I'm pretty sure that sorc was using harness magicka so every time You used spells on him he was getting mana back needed to cast bolt escape. Basicly thanks to You he was able to spam it. People should try to learn the game mechanics before posting threads.

    Same thing happens for every class using harness magicka and fighting other spell based build.

    OK so assuming that is the case then how would anyone ever drain the magicka down on a sorc using that combo to counter BE? Most on this thread said BE was fine because of the magicka drain here you are basically saying yep they can spam it infinity and are giving the mechanics of how. Basically agreeing with what I said in that they are magicka limitless when PVPing .

    Regardless of what you know of game mechanics the end result is a limitless spammable BE or no way to drain a sorc when fighting them. in the end the result is the same.

    You do it by doing what hurts the sorc the most: physical dmg. Bows, 2Handers that sort of thing.

    Like a lot of people said, the increased caps means a lot of abilities are now cheaper to cast in relation to max magicka. Plus there's the new sets out. Same goes for every other strong ability, like Scales, GDB, Blazing Shield, Rushed Ceremony, Shadow Cloak etc etc.

    If you pay attention, you'll notice DKs and Templars soaking damage from 4-5 people and spamming heals and shields to stay alive and fight another day. In the context of what is happening atm in PvP since the caps were raised, I don't think Bolt Escape is really an issue.
    Edited by Maulkin on August 12, 2014 12:29AM
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  • Cody
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    Nala_ wrote: »
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    im not arguing anything, but the person who originally posted said that sorcs dont even roll out of talons because they can teleport OUT of it, which is not true, they can teleport with it ON them, but they still have to rolldodge to get out of it.

    all im doing is correcting your statement, whether or not sorcs should be able to teleport with it on them, is something i dont have an opinion on one way or another

    That's picking on semantics to ignore the essence of the statement. Which is that Sorcs can move to their direction of choice (by teleporting) while rooted without having to roll, and all other classes can't. And that also by teleporting through you they do damage and stun you to boot.

    Whether in relation to the talons they are in, out, in out, shake it all about...I couldn't care less.

    BREAKING CC and teleporting with CC STILL ON YOU, is NOT semantics, its mislabeling game mechanics.

    you just need to learn about the skills youre talking about before you comment on them, or else not get so defensive when people correct your erroneous statements

    also no one is IGNORING the essence of the statement, just correcting you so you dont misinform people
    if they can teleport 10 yards away from you, it wont matter if they still have the root on them or not, they can still get away without paying the roll dodge cost everyone else has to pay. whether or not the root is still on them is irrelevant. im not saying BE needs any nerfs. as it does not. but just pointing out why the person you are arguing with is disagreeing with you
    Edited by Cody on August 12, 2014 2:28AM
  • SienneYviete
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    See plenty of people spamming it now and meh, I don't really seem to have an issue with this.... never did, a sorc running away is a sorc not doing damage to you or your group how is this a bad thing let em bolt away? And for the anti offensive streak crew you do know it's blockable and also negated with immovable right?

    2 handed and 1h/shield users have skills that can stop a bolting sorc in their tracks basically as long as you keep the initial contact close as in don't let him hold distance from the start of the engagement you can spam Invasion or stampede every time he ports and you move to him and stun so he has to cc break and then port again.

    Sorcs that can spam this now have put a fair bit of time into their build to keep their magicka up after the nerf so good on em. Working as intended. Far from OP.
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  • OtarTheMad
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    Nerfing the skill where it is useless does not solve the problem at all. Unfortunately everyone whining to get it nerfed again will probably succeed and then bolt escape will be useless then you won't see the ability at all... be happy then? Why not just make Sorcs able to be killed in one shot... will that help all of this? lol. I mean really, so some sets and bonuses help out Sorcs use skills... isn't that what they are for? Not every Sorc wears the same set or goes with the same bonus set up. I have killed plenty of Bolt mages and been killed trying to bolt away myself. Sorry, just tired of nerf threads... they never help the game towards any balancing.
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    I understand that it is frustrating when a sorcerer can just bolt away, but that also means that they are effectively no longer part of the battle and you have done your job.
  • Tintinabula
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    Honfold wrote: »
    I understand that it is frustrating when a sorcerer can just bolt away, but that also means that they are effectively no longer part of the battle and you have done your job.

    This is good in theory but in reality bolt is rarely used for sorcs to escape anymore..Its used as a tool to confuse and stun and force your opponents to stay in block while they don't have to deal with much fear of anything.. and if you DO get lucky and "catch them" you have to do 3 k damage before they bolt again?..not likely in a 1V1 :|
  • Maulkin
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    Honfold wrote: »
    I understand that it is frustrating when a sorcerer can just bolt away, but that also means that they are effectively no longer part of the battle and you have done your job.

    This is good in theory but in reality bolt is rarely used for sorcs to escape anymore..Its used as a tool to confuse and stun and force your opponents to stay in block while they don't have to deal with much fear of anything.. and if you DO get lucky and "catch them" you have to do 3 k damage before they bolt again?..not likely in a 1V1 :|

    First off, in a 1v1 you cannot use bolt escape sparingly unless you use it to run away, in which case you use all your magicka. Griszak has the right of it, Harness Magicka (morph of light armor skill Annulment) returns to the player as a magicka the damage absorbed by the shield. So you when you zip through a crowd and get hit by impulse, you actually get magicka back to BE more. On my sorc I only use it once or twice on a 1v1 for the stun, careful not to proc the extra cost.

    I'm sorry but going through the 3k health of a Sorc seems very simple for my DK. I rarely struggle 1v1 against them. Invasion them, talon them and whip them. Their light dress does nothing for them when hitting them with damage mitigated by armor. Using the scales timely can give you a lot of mitigation and dmg on top and GDB can heal you. Templars can also easily outlast a solo sorc.

    I find the BE mechanic as quite healthy for the game if I'm honest. If groups blob up they should be organised enough to call for Immovables and AoEs + Synergies to wipe the sorc zipping through. If they're a disorganised group of 10-15 then there should be a mechanic like BE that allows you to pin them and nuke them. The counters (i.e. Immovable and Gap Closers) are there.
    Edited by Maulkin on August 12, 2014 7:48AM
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    Nala_ wrote: »
    im not arguing anything, but the person who originally posted said that sorcs dont even roll out of talons because they can teleport OUT of it, which is not true, they can teleport with it ON them, but they still have to rolldodge to get out of it.

    all im doing is correcting your statement, whether or not sorcs should be able to teleport with it on them, is something i dont have an opinion on one way or another

    That's picking on semantics to ignore the essence of the statement. Which is that Sorcs can move to their direction of choice (by teleporting) while rooted without having to roll, and all other classes can't. And that also by teleporting through you they do damage and stun you to boot.

    Whether in relation to the talons they are in, out, in out, shake it all about...I couldn't care less.

    You can't bolt in your direction of choice while rooted, you can only bolt forward. If you want to turn you need to roll out of them.

    So who cares if a sorc can bolt escape while rooted Talons? It's an AOE root.

    Are we crying that a DK can reflective scales almost every Sorc ability? Crystal Fragments, Power Overload, Mages Fury Explosion...all get reflected by a single ability that DKs have. Like you we learn to deal with it, that's part of the matchup.

    Sorcs are the most mobile class in the game and there isn't a Sorc in the game who can bolt escape more than I can right now.

    Pre nerf I could Bolt Escape 14 times in a row. Post nerf I could do 7. Now I can do 10, but my entire build and gear is built around it and few sorcs come close to it.

    Since most garbage sorcs run Streak these days, try sending a sorc to chase them down. It is only those who have Ball Lightning that are a PITA to catch but it can be done.

    Nightblades with the right setup can now SNEAK as fast as I can bolt escape. I had one chase me across half the map before I had to turn and kill him. I'm not complaining on the forums about Night blades....or the fact that pretty much every Templar in the game does nothing but spam Sun shield and you have to run them OOM before you can kill them which takes a long damn time even with multiple people.

    The point is, it's fine. Just because you're not having success killing every sorc you see doesn't mean they need nerfed. When I'm doing my daily quests, my Sorc kills tick as fast or faster than any other class.

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    Oh FFS, stop adjusting stuff just because a few PvP people complain .... there is life outside PvP and many find their PvE experienced trashed due to whiners on the battlefields.

    Can the 5% please at least think about the effect their changes will have on the 95%
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