ok thanks you totally persuaded me. the next time we fight 2-3 times more enemy than us we make sure we spread out all over the battlefield and we will communicate when randoms kill us 1 by 1. (because if 3-4+ jump on 1 separated member, thats totally ok)

we will forget our effective but very bad strategy that used to allow us to win.
with spreding out we can make sure we use all skills to try to survive as heals cant hit separated group.

Really don't think the removal of aoe caps will live up to peoples expectations. Only problem I have with aoe caps is the lag caused by zerg balls, which is why I support aoe cap removal. Taking down these zerg balls really isn't that hard for a organized group though, especially with all the aoe tanky zerg buster builds people are running.

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

ok thanks you totally persuaded me. the next time we fight 2-3 times more enemy than us we make sure we spread out all over the battlefield and we will communicate when randoms kill us 1 by 1. (because if 3-4+ jump on 1 separated member, thats totally ok)

we will forget our effective but very bad strategy that used to allow us to win.
with spreding out we can make sure we use all skills to try to survive as heals cant hit separated group.

Well, I can tell you what happened when we played DAOC....First we bombed said group to kill as many as possible..This generally involved coming in from behind or the sides on Speed 6 mezzing the second before we hit. Since no Speed 6 exists (except for RM) you'll probably have to rely on sneaking up on the enemy in stealth before you rush in and bomb. Next..if you don't actually kill anyone..you're going to have to do this little thing called Extending. See in DAOC when your group failed to demolish people in a single swoop, You didn't stack tightly into a ball because then you'd get things like TWF or Static Tempest dropped on you, and then you were dead.

So you had to constantly extend, While extending you had people picking off people who Over extended on the enemy side. It worked quite well actually...

Hey guys, how about we stay constructive instead of throwing ad hominems left and right?

The matter is not wether or not you can take down or avoid stacking groups.
It's not either about zerg/small groups nor elitists vs noobs.

It's about a tactic that is so superior that it is the only one you should use.
And that tactic is enabled by the implementation of an arbitrary target cap.

There should be no discusions, this is a no brainer.
If an issue arises after the discovery of a mechanic, remove the mechanic and the issue gets solved.
Especially when said mechanic adds nothing positive to the game.

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

yea its 1/2/3+ulti button spamming, in big fights. but all this game, where you have 6 buttons can be simplified to this.
please tell me how this is far worse than spamming lightattack with crushing shock or crystal fragments or poison arrow what ever.
with this mentality the whole game is stupid and pointless
and why are we lame because we try to work together instead of running solo without taking care of our allies?

shall we all split up and use only single target skills + some weak selfheals the same time, so your horde can overwhelm us?
boring to criticize trains, please come up with a good idea how we should play pvp and look very cool and skilled, like you lying on the floor dead.

the reason so many people dislike this tactic, is because it takes a lot of fun out of the game, it really does. you should try to fight some of these blobs or zergs or WHATEVER you choose to call them. its NOT a fun experience. all you can really DO is gank and do 1v1s, unless you are willing to make a zerg to fight the zerg. not only that, but it causes lag. it causes ability and damage delay, siege weapons to not work, DOORS to not work, and other things. you want to take a keep without getting 30 people and blobbing up and spamming impulse? here is how:

get 15-20 players together, have a few of them cast purge when oil is used. and that's pretty much it. once you get inside the keep, you don't need to be in one huge blob anymore. iv seen it done many times. heck I once caped a keep with only 8-10 other people! we went upstairs, used oil on the guards, and those of us that were not upstairs, were down there hitting the NPCs. It can be done without these huge blobs you seem to be defending.

if 20 people in a non-vet campaign can take a keep, filled with all beefed up VR5 guards that even VR12s have trouble with, WITHOUT doing the impulse train crap, than people in the rest of the campaigns can do it to.

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

you dont need 50, depending on the numbers at the battle, doable with much less. all you need is coordination, teamwork (like dedicated person to purge, etc), and moving together. but any form of that counts as zerging and mocked by people who doesnt know anything about strategy and war tactics.
these people tend to forget, that cyrondil is won by the few coordinated groups, and the rest were just insignificant bystanders who had abslutely no effect besides hijacking sieges and eating up camps

You need to understand that most of these guys in the remove the cap camp have openly stated that they could care less about the actual campaign objectives. For them, it's all about them. Whatever they can do to get their play style buffed so they can farm AP faster.

Here's at least one occasion.

Lowbei wrote: »

my people dont care about scrolls or keeps, and see them only as tool to farm ap

Krinaman wrote: »

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

you dont need 50, depending on the numbers at the battle, doable with much less. all you need is coordination, teamwork (like dedicated person to purge, etc), and moving together. but any form of that counts as zerging and mocked by people who doesnt know anything about strategy and war tactics.
these people tend to forget, that cyrondil is won by the few coordinated groups, and the rest were just insignificant bystanders who had abslutely no effect besides hijacking sieges and eating up camps

You need to understand that most of these guys in the remove the cap camp have openly stated that they could care less about the actual campaign objectives. For them, it's all about them. Whatever they can do to get their play style buffed so they can farm AP faster.

Im in the I want to come back and play this game and have good pvp camp. Remove AOE caps and I will return, along with a lot of my friends that already quit over it and other less breaking issues.