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Remove aoe caps
Kinda bored with the "you blob up to exploit aoe cap, thats why your organized guildgroup can beat us randoms" cry.
please remove the caps, so they can realize it is one of the last things we need to win
please remove the caps, so they can realize it is one of the last things we need to win
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Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
Edited by Lowbei on August 9, 2014 3:05PM2 -
c0rp✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe after they figure out how to fix doors not opening and siege working when you put it on the ground eh?Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.0 -
Dilly_Waffles✭✭✭So we remove AOE caps and the already almost unbearable lag gets doubled because of a million more actions per second to process and completely breaks the game.
Next step?4 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭not even close
you clearly have knowledge of netcode or server load, so you should probably refrain from making wildly inaccurate statements. thanks1 -
zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
you must be like:
"RAWR im the bestest warrior in the world, im so skilled i ride into battle alone as no one can do what I am capable of. Hah here comes some bunch of no-skill [snip]. lets kill them all!!! I use my mightly cleave to cut all of them, than... "puff, the end. dead. takes 1 second to kill idiots fighting alone.
"you fool, you won because you have more!"
with this you forgot that usually there is like, 2-3 times more ppl fighting against trains than in the train. just too dunnb to organize. if there is really only 1-2 guy, we even let them go unless they want to die.
im not saying this is the dream pvp, but saying you blob coz u have no skill is so ignorant. currently with mass pvp (what else is there with 1 server?) this is the most optimal way to win, even if it requeres ppl specializing to mash only a few buttons)
how exatly do u guys imagine a battle for a keep? everyone, lets say, 50 people line up, than look for an opponent to duel to the death? this would be a fair skill battle, right?
tbh, despite being in a train, as im not a bad skill-less noob, i would enjoy some kind of arena with 1v1 or few vs few, but atm no such thing
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on August 9, 2014 5:08PM0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
you must be like:
"RAWR im the bestest warrior in the world, im so skilled i ride into battle alone as no one can do what I am capable of. Hah here comes some bunch of no-skill [snip]. lets kill them all!!! I use my mightly cleave to cut all of them, than... "puff, the end. dead. takes 1 second to kill idiots fighting alone.
"you fool, you won because you have more!"
with this you forgot that usually there is like, 2-3 times more ppl fighting against trains than in the train. just too dunnb to organize. if there is really only 1-2 guy, we even let them go unless they want to die.
im not saying this is the dream pvp, but saying you blob coz u have no skill is so ignorant. currently with mass pvp (what else is there with 1 server?) this is the most optimal way to win, even if it requeres ppl specializing to mash only a few buttons)
how exatly do u guys imagine a battle for a keep? everyone, lets say, 50 people line up, than look for an opponent to duel to the death? this would be a fair skill battle, right?
tbh, despite being in a train, as im not a bad skill-less noob, i would enjoy some kind of arena with 1v1 or few vs few, but atm no such thing
i never once referenced myself in that post lol. you got defensive and tried to justify your zerging. relax bro. thanks for the ap
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on August 9, 2014 5:10PM0 -
Dilly_Waffles wrote: »So we remove AOE caps and the already almost unbearable lag gets doubled because of a million more actions per second to process and completely breaks the game.
Next step?
Wrong.
The aoe caps are one of the causes for these lags.
If a spell has to check between 40+ targets, order them then pick only the top 6 closest to the center, or whatever logic lies behind selecting the taget, then updating everyone about everyone at the same time, it is going to lag.
If a spell has to pick between 10 targets at most due to people spreading out to avoid uncaped aoes, have no sort operation to do but just a simple atomic damage calculation on each target and update people as it gets done. Then it is going to lag less.
Either technicaly or design wise, removing aoe target caps is the way to go.
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Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭daoc handled the same size zergs with no ae caps without a problem, for over a decade.
im gonna go out on a limb and assume technology has improved since 2001.2 -
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everyone dual in 1v1s for a keep battle? no. of course not. but you don't have to blob up and spam impulse to take a keep, you really don't. heck I witnessed keep caps without impulse blobs yesterday in chillrend quite a few times, and the day before that. people don't like these blobs because they take a lot of the fun out of the game(at least that's what I think) whether or not it takes skill, I myself could care less. I just don't find it fun facing enemies that only do one thing all day. whats worse is these blobs are really hard to kill. siege does not work, it often bugs out. you cant use AOEs to kill them, thank the AOE caps for that, you can't get some people behind them to stealth kill them, as these blobs often have healers. its the annoyance factor that makes people dislike this tactic(or that's how it is for me, others do feel it does not take skill)xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
you must be like:
"RAWR im the bestest warrior in the world, im so skilled i ride into battle alone as no one can do what I am capable of. Hah here comes some bunch of no-skill [snip]. lets kill them all!!! I use my mightly cleave to cut all of them, than... "puff, the end. dead. takes 1 second to kill idiots fighting alone.
"you fool, you won because you have more!"
with this you forgot that usually there is like, 2-3 times more ppl fighting against trains than in the train. just too dunnb to organize. if there is really only 1-2 guy, we even let them go unless they want to die.
im not saying this is the dream pvp, but saying you blob coz u have no skill is so ignorant. currently with mass pvp (what else is there with 1 server?) this is the most optimal way to win, even if it requeres ppl specializing to mash only a few buttons)
how exatly do u guys imagine a battle for a keep? everyone, lets say, 50 people line up, than look for an opponent to duel to the death? this would be a fair skill battle, right?
tbh, despite being in a train, as im not a bad skill-less noob, i would enjoy some kind of arena with 1v1 or few vs few, but atm no such thing
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on August 9, 2014 5:11PM2 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭NookyZooky wrote: »
everyone dual in 1v1s for a keep battle? no. of course not. but you don't have to blob up and spam impulse to take a keep, you really don't. heck I witnessed keep caps without impulse blobs yesterday in chillrend quite a few times, and the day before that. people don't like these blobs because they take a lot of the fun out of the game(at least that's what I think) whether or not it takes skill, I myself could care less. I just don't find it fun facing enemies that only do one thing all day. whats worse is these blobs are really hard to kill. siege does not work, it often bugs out. you cant use AOEs to kill them, thank the AOE caps for that, you can't get some people behind them to stealth kill them, as these blobs often have healers. its the annoyance factor that makes people dislike this tactic(or that's how it is for me, others do feel it does not take skill)xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
you must be like:
"RAWR im the bestest warrior in the world, im so skilled i ride into battle alone as no one can do what I am capable of. Hah here comes some bunch of no-skill pu$$ies. lets kill them all!!! I use my mightly cleave to cut all of them, than... "puff, the end. dead. takes 1 second to kill idiots fighting alone.
"you fool, you won because you have more!"
with this you forgot that usually there is like, 2-3 times more ppl fighting against trains than in the train. just too dunnb to organize. if there is really only 1-2 guy, we even let them go unless they want to die.
im not saying this is the dream pvp, but saying you blob coz u have no skill is so ignorant. currently with mass pvp (what else is there with 1 server?) this is the most optimal way to win, even if it requeres ppl specializing to mash only a few buttons)
how exatly do u guys imagine a battle for a keep? everyone, lets say, 50 people line up, than look for an opponent to duel to the death? this would be a fair skill battle, right?
tbh, despite being in a train, as im not a bad skill-less noob, i would enjoy some kind of arena with 1v1 or few vs few, but atm no such thing
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✭I agree that blobbing is a problem that prevents a mor enjoyable game. I disagree that full aoe removal is the best, or even prudent, solution. Don't jump to a solution.0 -
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✭✭✭✭xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
you must be like:
"RAWR im the bestest warrior in the world, im so skilled i ride into battle alone as no one can do what I am capable of. Hah here comes some bunch of no-skill [snip]. lets kill them all!!! I use my mightly cleave to cut all of them, than... "puff, the end. dead. takes 1 second to kill idiots fighting alone.
"you fool, you won because you have more!"
with this you forgot that usually there is like, 2-3 times more ppl fighting against trains than in the train. just too dunnb to organize. if there is really only 1-2 guy, we even let them go unless they want to die.
im not saying this is the dream pvp, but saying you blob coz u have no skill is so ignorant. currently with mass pvp (what else is there with 1 server?) this is the most optimal way to win, even if it requeres ppl specializing to mash only a few buttons)
how exatly do u guys imagine a battle for a keep? everyone, lets say, 50 people line up, than look for an opponent to duel to the death? this would be a fair skill battle, right?
tbh, despite being in a train, as im not a bad skill-less noob, i would enjoy some kind of arena with 1v1 or few vs few, but atm no such thing
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
Sounds like a skill less noob who needs to blob to get any kills in PvP.1 -
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✭✭if we remove caps, bat swarmers will win more often while without them blobs win. why not a healthy medium? double or tripple the current cap?Edited by dsalter on August 9, 2014 5:51PMPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.0 -
Columba✭✭✭✭✭
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You sound threatened.xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
you must be like:
"RAWR im the bestest warrior in the world, im so skilled i ride into battle alone as no one can do what I am capable of. Hah here comes some bunch of no-skill [snip]. lets kill them all!!! I use my mightly cleave to cut all of them, than... "puff, the end. dead. takes 1 second to kill idiots fighting alone.
"you fool, you won because you have more!"
with this you forgot that usually there is like, 2-3 times more ppl fighting against trains than in the train. just too dunnb to organize. if there is really only 1-2 guy, we even let them go unless they want to die.
im not saying this is the dream pvp, but saying you blob coz u have no skill is so ignorant. currently with mass pvp (what else is there with 1 server?) this is the most optimal way to win, even if it requeres ppl specializing to mash only a few buttons)
how exatly do u guys imagine a battle for a keep? everyone, lets say, 50 people line up, than look for an opponent to duel to the death? this would be a fair skill battle, right?
tbh, despite being in a train, as im not a bad skill-less noob, i would enjoy some kind of arena with 1v1 or few vs few, but atm no such thing
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
Sounds like a skill less noob who needs to blob to get any kills in PvP.
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Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭
You sound threatened.xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
you must be like:
"RAWR im the bestest warrior in the world, im so skilled i ride into battle alone as no one can do what I am capable of. Hah here comes some bunch of no-skill [snip]. lets kill them all!!! I use my mightly cleave to cut all of them, than... "puff, the end. dead. takes 1 second to kill idiots fighting alone.
"you fool, you won because you have more!"
with this you forgot that usually there is like, 2-3 times more ppl fighting against trains than in the train. just too dunnb to organize. if there is really only 1-2 guy, we even let them go unless they want to die.
im not saying this is the dream pvp, but saying you blob coz u have no skill is so ignorant. currently with mass pvp (what else is there with 1 server?) this is the most optimal way to win, even if it requeres ppl specializing to mash only a few buttons)
how exatly do u guys imagine a battle for a keep? everyone, lets say, 50 people line up, than look for an opponent to duel to the death? this would be a fair skill battle, right?
tbh, despite being in a train, as im not a bad skill-less noob, i would enjoy some kind of arena with 1v1 or few vs few, but atm no such thing
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
Sounds like a skill less noob who needs to blob to get any kills in PvP.
is the lion threatened by the lamb?
thanks for the apEdited by Lowbei on August 9, 2014 5:47PM0 -
FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
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You sound threatened.xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »zergers who blob need ae caps, as it has given them a momentary feeling of success despite a lack of skill.
it will be fixed, and skill will eventually be favored over numbers.
hail matt firor!
<chants>
"All hail ze Firor!" "All hail ze Firor!"
you must be like:
"RAWR im the bestest warrior in the world, im so skilled i ride into battle alone as no one can do what I am capable of. Hah here comes some bunch of no-skill [snip]. lets kill them all!!! I use my mightly cleave to cut all of them, than... "puff, the end. dead. takes 1 second to kill idiots fighting alone.
"you fool, you won because you have more!"
with this you forgot that usually there is like, 2-3 times more ppl fighting against trains than in the train. just too dunnb to organize. if there is really only 1-2 guy, we even let them go unless they want to die.
im not saying this is the dream pvp, but saying you blob coz u have no skill is so ignorant. currently with mass pvp (what else is there with 1 server?) this is the most optimal way to win, even if it requeres ppl specializing to mash only a few buttons)
how exatly do u guys imagine a battle for a keep? everyone, lets say, 50 people line up, than look for an opponent to duel to the death? this would be a fair skill battle, right?
tbh, despite being in a train, as im not a bad skill-less noob, i would enjoy some kind of arena with 1v1 or few vs few, but atm no such thing
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
Sounds like a skill less noob who needs to blob to get any kills in PvP.
Still advocating that AOEing is trolling? Keep fighting the blob fight.2 -
@NookyZooky
i saw many keep battles without organized group and i can tell it was jsut painful to watch. people cant seriously think. waaa this is da good stuff, best battle ever.
if 2 sides with same number are at a siege it is usually so: after wall down, defenders start using meatballs and oils at chokepoint, while attackers are pew-pewing inside without any effect. they know they should rush in and clear the walls, but only few act, the rest just stands back cowardly, while the few die so attackers can gain some points. this goes on forever until some guy who doesnt want to spend his precious ap on useless things like camps, rezes last at the tent and refuses to put it up. that moment the attackers can maybe charge inside/they are pushed back (whichever side that was). or, a siegecamp is up at some other place, and, as random are hopping the map from 1 camp to other, start going away, and that side loses again. so yeah, waht an experience.
atm it is very easy to defend a keeps chokepoint with well placed oils and sieges, and without organized group handling them cyrondil would be a never ending stalemate (if same numbers on all sides ofc)
@Dsalter
yes, any ultimate spammers would have a great time once again. this would lead to another QQ, probably mostly again from the very skilled whiners, who treat any1 that can easyly kill their lame builds no skill abusers
@FENGRUSH
oh please. but doesnt matter, ignorant fools will stay ignorant, trying to persuade/ debate them is pointless. but please show us your ideas about the ideal cyrondil, the way everyone should play the game, maybe we all listen and do it like you.Edited by xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO on August 9, 2014 9:36PM1 -
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then ZOS needs to re-evaluate how they designed some of their siege mechanics. I do agree that chokepoints are pretty easy to hold. I am one of the ones that charge, but my teammates never come with, I die, enemy charges, poof. last 20 minutes wasted. Idk how to fix this. but people should not be forced to resort to getting 50 people together, spamming impulse to get inside.xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »@NookyZooky
i saw many keep battles without organized group and i can tell it was jsut painful to watch. people cant seriously think. waaa this is da good stuff, best battle ever.
if 2 sides with same number are at a siege it is usually so: after wall down, defenders start using meatballs and oils at chokepoint, while attackers are pew-pewing inside without any effect. they know they should rush in and clear the walls, but only few act, the rest just stands back cowardly, while the few die so attackers can gain some points. this goes on forever until some guy who doesnt want to spend his precious ap on useless things like camps, rezes last at the tent and forgot to put it up. that moment the attackers can maybe charge inside/they are pushed back (whichever side that was). or, a siegecamp is up at some other place, and, as random are hopping the map from 1 camp to other, start going away, and that side loses again. so yeah, waht an experience.
atm it is very easy to defend a keeps chokepoint with well placed oils and sieges, and without organized group handling them cyrondil would be a never ending stalemate (if same numbers on all sides ofc)
@Dsalter
yes, any ultimate spammers would have a great time once again. this would lead to another QQ, probably mostly again from the very skilled whiners, who treat any1 that can easyly kill their lame builds no skill abusers
@FENGRUSH
oh please. but doesnt matter, ignorant fools will stay ignorant, trying to persuade/ debate them is pointless. but please show us your ideas about the ideal cyrondil, the way everyone should play the game, maybe we all listen and do it like you.
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you dont need 50, depending on the numbers at the battle, doable with much less. all you need is coordination, teamwork (like dedicated person to purge, etc), and moving together. but any form of that counts as zerging and mocked by people who doesnt know anything about strategy and war tactics.
these people tend to forget, that cyrondil is won by the few coordinated groups, and the rest were just insignificant bystanders who had abslutely no effect besides hijacking sieges and eating up camps0 -
Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭Cyrodiil is in fact won by large zerg balls yes. Of course there will be a few single target dps in a zerg ball. If you want to debate that it's the large groups that win that's fine but notice the people on the leader boards are mostly large zergballers. If I see one of these zerg balls I will most likely charge in once kill one guy and get zerged down. The rest of my group will yell no don't but come in anyhow. We get zerged down then come back to hit the stragglers usually leading to a few stopping to turn around where we proceed to wipe a 3v10(multiple times due to freshly taken keeps or forward camps) and carry on with our ganking. You don't have to be a part of a zerg ball to pvp successfully. You do if you want to be on the leader boards simple as that.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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✭xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »you dont need 50, depending on the numbers at the battle, doable with much less. all you need is coordination, teamwork (like dedicated person to purge, etc), and moving together. but any form of that counts as zerging and mocked by people who doesnt know anything about strategy and war tactics.
these people tend to forget, that cyrondil is won by the few coordinated groups, and the rest were just insignificant bystanders who had abslutely no effect besides hijacking sieges and eating up camps
oh please tell me sun tzu where in any tactical situation it is wise and an effective attack to all stack up on top of each other and run as a big fat target?
schiltroms (spelling?) were a good defence that involved a sort of blob but were pretty much just for defence. they coulnd,t run around wiping folk with fire spamming from all sides.
you clearly like to think your a master tactician cos you enjoy blobbing. but don't let ego over run common sense. blobbing needs bad game mechanics to be a good strategy.
namely aoe caps and lack of hard hitting ranged aoe or splash effects. without those 2 factors blobbing would be as stupid a tactic in game as it is in every other warfare (real or simulated) since time began.
But then a modern day ghengis khan like yourself would know that eh?
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ouch you hit me bro, totally shamed me. ^^
yeah grouping up in a world of explosions would be stupid and suicidal, but there arent any massheals/damage shields/ friendly magical effects.
standing close to each other means you benefit from these+you dont get separated and overrun.
btw there are alrdy heavy hitting aoe effects, they are called sieges engines. yeah the lasting effects can be purged, but purgers could run eventualy out of magicka or enough first hit damage can be fatal. this could stop organized groups, but we always eliminate them asap.
as i said in op, you could remove the cap, we could still beat the hordes of idiots0 -
also this nonsense about 50 player spamming pulsar could really end.
most groups usually have only around 20 players, i rarely encountered 3 such group running toegether. and all of them spamming pulsar is just stupid concept.
yeah some groups who have no clue try to do that, but are wiped in 1 seconds
so lets say we have 20 players.
about 4 of them are healers, casting heals/dmg shields
2 casting purge only, constantly.
3 dk casting fragmented shield
2 nb using fear against organized groups
2 casting necrotic orb for mana regen
1-2 rushing ahead to cc the enemy (like streak)
i guess the rest of them is bombing, but still nowhere near every1 just spams pulsar
the ultimate usage also isnt just batswarm+banner. negate magic magic and replanishing barrier is more important. that is why i said with or without aoe cap the many individual cant even scratch an organized group: with enough barriers our health is the double of yours, cant even scratch us. and than no word about group tactics like false retreat, ambuushing flag attackers, etc.
you can still mock that noobs still using 1 skill only, and no player skill needed to win. you are right. but it is mass pvp where you have to specialize.
and what is the most important: to use skills for the group, not just for yourself
so hate mass pvp instead, but with camp abuse thats the only way to find some action, small group or 1v1 fights are very rare. in keep battles you are either in a train and keep winning, or in a random ritald group with endless stalemate and eventual death by a train.
PS: please, small group gankers, tell me how 3-4 sniping/ambushing a lone horseman requires way much more skillEdited by xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO on August 10, 2014 10:09AM0 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »also this nonsense about 50 player spamming pulsar could really end.
most groups usually have only around 20 players, i rarely encountered 3 such group running toegether. and all of them spamming pulsar is just stupid concept.
yeah some groups who have no clue try to do that, but are wiped in 1 seconds
so lets say we have 20 players.
about 4 of them are healers, casting heals/dmg shields
2 casting purge only, constantly.
3 dk casting fragmented shield
2 nb using fear against organized groups
2 casting necrotic orb for mana regen
1-2 rushing ahead to cc the enemy (like streak)
i guess the rest of them is bombing, but still nowhere near every1 just spams pulsar
the ultimate usage also isnt just batswarm+banner. negate magic magic and replanishing barrier is more important. that is why i said with or without aoe cap the many individual cant even scratch an organized group: with enough barriers our health is the double of yours, cant even scratch us. and than no word about group tactics like false retreat, ambuushing flag attackers, etc.
you can still mock that noobs still using 1 skill only, and no player skill needed to win. you are right. but it is mass pvp where you have to specialize.
and what is the most important: to use skills for the group, not just for yourself
so hate mass pvp instead, but with camp abuse thats the only way to find some action, small group or 1v1 fights are very rare. in keep battles you are either in a train and keep winning, or in a random ritald group with endless stalemate and eventual death by a train.
funny you try to defend your so uber organised groups as not just one button spamming pulsar.. and yet in your explanation of how you do it you assign pretty much one simple button to mash .. you dont see the irony ?
if your the purge bot thats one button, if your the frag shield bot , thats also one button. and so on . how is that any more skilled than the rest of the group who are the pulsar bots? you still reduce each persons task to the simplicity of following a crown while spamming one button pretty much.
thats your own explanation , the fact you see that as a good counter arguement why its pretty skillless is ironic indeed.
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✭xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »ouch you hit me bro, totally shamed me. ^^
yeah grouping up in a world of explosions would be stupid and suicidal, but there arent any massheals/damage shields/ friendly magical effects.
standing close to each other means you benefit from these+you dont get separated and overrun.
btw there are alrdy heavy hitting aoe effects, they are called sieges engines. yeah the lasting effects can be purged, but purgers could run eventualy out of magicka or enough first hit damage can be fatal. this could stop organized groups, but we always eliminate them asap.
as i said in op, you could remove the cap, we could still beat the hordes of idiots
again you seem to lack the understanding of simple game mechanics. siege engines in ESO are very underpowered against blobbing. if they were effective as a deterent you would be killed. but they arnt . they have a very slow cooldown. and take far to long to turn , thats if they even work in the lag caused by blobbing.
so again even with seige game mechanics favor blobbs , not tactics and srategy. the only strategy that make blobbing work is the broken game mechanics that allow it to be used. Even tho its counter intuitive to any reasonable representation of warfare.
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yea its 1/2/3+ulti button spamming, in big fights. but all this game, where you have 6 buttons can be simplified to this.
please tell me how this is far worse than spamming lightattack with crushing shock or crystal fragments or poison arrow what ever.
with this mentality the whole game is stupid and pointless
and why are we lame because we try to work together instead of running solo without taking care of our allies?
shall we all split up and use only single target skills + some weak selfheals the same time, so your horde can overwhelm us?
boring to criticize trains, please come up with a good idea how we should play pvp and look very cool and skilled, like you lying on the floor dead.Edited by xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO on August 10, 2014 11:22AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »also this nonsense about 50 player spamming pulsar could really end.
most groups usually have only around 20 players, i rarely encountered 3 such group running toegether. and all of them spamming pulsar is just stupid concept.
yeah some groups who have no clue try to do that, but are wiped in 1 seconds
so lets say we have 20 players.
about 4 of them are healers, casting heals/dmg shields
2 casting purge only, constantly.
3 dk casting fragmented shield
2 nb using fear against organized groups
2 casting necrotic orb for mana regen
1-2 rushing ahead to cc the enemy (like streak)
i guess the rest of them is bombing, but still nowhere near every1 just spams pulsar
the ultimate usage also isnt just batswarm+banner. negate magic magic and replanishing barrier is more important. that is why i said with or without aoe cap the many individual cant even scratch an organized group: with enough barriers our health is the double of yours, cant even scratch us. and than no word about group tactics like false retreat, ambuushing flag attackers, etc.
you can still mock that noobs still using 1 skill only, and no player skill needed to win. you are right. but it is mass pvp where you have to specialize.
and what is the most important: to use skills for the group, not just for yourself
so hate mass pvp instead, but with camp abuse thats the only way to find some action, small group or 1v1 fights are very rare. in keep battles you are either in a train and keep winning, or in a random ritald group with endless stalemate and eventual death by a train.
funny you try to defend your so uber organised groups as not just one button spamming pulsar.. and yet in your explanation of how you do it you assign pretty much one simple button to mash .. you dont see the irony ?
if your the purge bot thats one button, if your the frag shield bot , thats also one button. and so on . how is that any more skilled than the rest of the group who are the pulsar bots? you still reduce each persons task to the simplicity of following a crown while spamming one button pretty much.
thats your own explanation , the fact you see that as a good counter arguement why its pretty skillless is ironic indeed.
Trust me, I was laughing pretty hard when I read his post.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »yea its 1/2/3+ulti button spamming, in big fights. but all this game, where you have 6 buttons can be simplified to this.
please tell me how this is far worse than spamming lightattack with crushing shock or crystal fragments or poison arrow what ever.
with this mentality the whole game is stupid and pointless
and why are we lame because we try to work together instead of running solo without taking care of our allies?
shall we all split up and use only single target skills + some weak selfheals the same time, so your horde can overwhelm us?
boring to criticize trains, please come up with a good idea how we should play pvp and look very cool and skilled, like you lying on the floor dead.
I don't know..I tend to use all my buttons when I small man and solo.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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than have fun sologanking people on horses. or never ending chaotic keep battles. thats what you awesome people do. but first, please tell us, what could we do to become so good as you are?
@xsorusb14_ESO
soemone who just keeps spamming shieldbash should really shut up.
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✭xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »yea its 1/2/3+ulti button spamming, in big fights. but all this game, where you have 6 buttons can be simplified to this.
please tell me how this is far worse than spamming lightattack with crushing shock or crystal fragments or poison arrow what ever.
with this mentality the whole game is stupid and pointless
and why are we lame because we try to work together instead of running solo without taking care of our allies?
shall we all split up and use only single target skills + some weak selfheals the same time, so your horde can overwhelm us?
boring to criticize trains, please come up with a good idea how we should play pvp and look very cool and skilled, like you lying on the floor dead.
well once again mister tactical master. i shouldnt have to point out that you can be spread out all over a battlefield and remain in comunication and still work as a team. I would argue that that requires more skill and more individual skill than relying on game mechanics to protect you from what otherwise would by your own admition be stupid and suicidal.
blobbing up and reducing each member to a single simple task while simply hugging the group leaders buttocks has to be a reduction in skill and individual thought. It's only effective due to game mechanics protecting that bad strategy.
where as if you were forced to spread out you could still operate as an effective force but you would have to utilize better individual awareness and more skill to do so. you could still flank and use terrain to gain advantages over un-organized groups. after all this game like so many othrs still managed to have large scale battles where good organized skillfull play shone through without blobbing.
to say otherwise would simply highlight a lack of any abilitiy to actually play without simply following a crown and spamming whichever button you're told to.
Edited by hamon on August 10, 2014 11:51AM0