I play as a vamp and it makes me excited to see my death recap say "silver shards" in it. At least I know people are recognizing what to use on vampires :P Fire and bolts.

Draxys wrote: »

I've never had a problem getting out of bat swarm, I only get killed by bats if there multiple other enemies around me, in which case I was most likely not going to survive without good healing anyway. I don't see a need to nerf it, it's pretty easy to avoid, and I don't even have bolt escape.

i,m a vamp. but i recognise where its really op , not so much in damage numbers but in effect. in the heat of a fight with lots going on you can take a couple of ticks before you even realise whats going on. it lacks visible tells like say standard or nova. then you have the problem that they can still be spamming impulse while bats is going .

then it also makes them invisible. together its pretty much op.

Today i witnessed a neat use of inviso-batswarm during a small scale siege.

Sorc teleports into a group of players, hits swarm. When it expires, he hits swarm again. And again. And again. And... you get the picture. He was invisible and untargetable for at least two minutes, damaging everyone around him the whole time.

After that, he bolted back to safety.

Domander wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Today i witnessed a neat use of inviso-batswarm during a small scale siege.

Sorc teleports into a group of players, hits swarm. When it expires, he hits swarm again. And again. And again. And... you get the picture. He was invisible and untargetable for at least two minutes, damaging everyone around him the whole time.

After that, he bolted back to safety.

doubt it

You'll see it eventually. If one guy could figure out how to chain batswarms over and over, it won't be long before others catch on.

Kirsika wrote: »

If there's enough ppl standing in his bats, not spreading, to fill his ult every 6 seconds, and they don't do anything to him or have sorcs chase him down, you want me to feel sorry for them...why?

It does not matter. Spamming ults one after another should not be possible under any circumstances. Even the devs said it was a problem in pvp.

Actually all they should do, is to disallow the combined usage of some skills in order to avoid the "op" synergies you get out of them.

Just like they did with mist form and lightning form for instance (you can't use both at the same time).

But another nerf to vampires is definately not needed.

The silver shards tooltip should read... "95% chance to not be worth it."

Damage on batswarm is generally ok, just make it so it doesnt stack so 5 people can't use it at once.
BUT the most important thing ZoS can do is to limit ultimates so the entire game doesnt revolve around using ultimates, building ultimates and increasing their damage as much as possible.
Put a proper cooldown on ultimates and stop the resto staff exploit where you can build ultimates outside of combat.

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, nerf it... it's ridiculous (No constructive comments here, there's no need to explain the obvious).

Personally, I think it would be best to take out vamp and werewolf abilities completely from PvP. PvE I couldn't care less.

Neat , while you are doing this , also remove ALL the vampire problem with fire , the health regen issue AND the fact that they have problems with the fighters guild skill line. If you do that , then im ok with vampires losing their skills in PvP.

Vampires got huge problems to deal with for their skills , thus their skills are strong , if people try to kill one like a brainless fools and dont exploit their problems , they deserve to lose.

Sharee wrote: »

Today i witnessed a neat use of inviso-batswarm during a small scale siege.

Sorc teleports into a group of players, hits swarm. When it expires, he hits swarm again. And again. And again. And... you get the picture. He was invisible and untargetable for at least two minutes, damaging everyone around him the whole time.

After that, he bolted back to safety.

Hey Sharee, does anyone in your group typically have Turn Undead on their bar? Drop that baby down and stand in it. Vampires won't touch you. With that skill down, you are effectively at hardcap for both Spell Resist and Armor as well as fearing any undead for 4s when they enter into it. You can keep the ability up nearly indefinitely if you have 2 people with it. I saw a streaking Vamp pop in the middle of one. You see the bats just going in a completely random direction (they are invisible but still take status effects) since the guy was just feared. Wasted ultimate.

Also, if you are a NB, use Mass Hysteria. Does the same thing. Even in Clouding Swarm, I can still fear you since it's a PBAOE fear.

These next comments aren't meant for you Sharee.

I feel that people in general do not want to think outside the mold. There is an entire skill line dedicated at killing Vamps, yet you barely see anyone using them. They only want to use the FOTM build that someone else thought of and do not think for themselves. There are a lot of great synergies out there but everyone runs the same few specs that those synergies hardly get realized. People need to stop thinking so selfishly and understand you arent going to be able to do everything by yourself. Your one spec isnt the end all be all and there will be combo's out there that will tear you up.

Think and evolve. Stop asking for nerfs when there are mechanics in game to counter exactly what you are having trouble with.

Jaxom wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Today i witnessed a neat use of inviso-batswarm during a small scale siege.

Sorc teleports into a group of players, hits swarm. When it expires, he hits swarm again. And again. And again. And... you get the picture. He was invisible and untargetable for at least two minutes, damaging everyone around him the whole time.

After that, he bolted back to safety.

Hey Sharee, does anyone in your group typically have Turn Undead on their bar? Drop that baby down and stand in it. Vampires won't touch you. With that skill down, you are effectively at hardcap for both Spell Resist and Armor as well as fearing any undead for 4s when they enter into it. You can keep the ability up nearly indefinitely if you have 2 people with it. I saw a streaking Vamp pop in the middle of one. You see the bats just going in a completely random direction (they are invisible but still take status effects) since the guy was just feared. Wasted ultimate.

Also, if you are a NB, use Mass Hysteria. Does the same thing. Even in Clouding Swarm, I can still fear you since it's a PBAOE fear.

These next comments aren't meant for you Sharee.

I feel that people in general do not want to think outside the mold. There is an entire skill line dedicated at killing Vamps, yet you barely see anyone using them. They only want to use the FOTM build that someone else thought of and do not think for themselves. There are a lot of great synergies out there but everyone runs the same few specs that those synergies hardly get realized. People need to stop thinking so selfishly and understand you arent going to be able to do everything by yourself. Your one spec isnt the end all be all and there will be combo's out there that will tear you up.

Think and evolve. Stop asking for nerfs when there are mechanics in game to counter exactly what you are having trouble with.

/this

Very nice post.

Domander wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Today i witnessed a neat use of inviso-batswarm during a small scale siege.

Sorc teleports into a group of players, hits swarm. When it expires, he hits swarm again. And again. And again. And... you get the picture. He was invisible and untargetable for at least two minutes, damaging everyone around him the whole time.

After that, he bolted back to safety.

doubt it

Streaking into players as a sorc is the best way to generate ult. So yes, it is possible.

Krinaman wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

I feel that people in general do not want to think outside the mold. There is an entire skill line dedicated at killing Vamps, yet you barely see anyone using them.

You can only put 6 skills on your bar. Putting on a skill that is next to useless or completely useless against the majority of opponents makes little sense.

Except the majority of opponents are indeed Vampires, hence this thread. If a small number of players were Vampires, you wouldn't have the outcry like you do right now. There are TONS of vampires out there and the skills are very much worth it. Give it a try. You will be surprised. Not all vampires are using Bats. Some use it for the stealth speed and you would never know they would be otherwise.

Drop a Turn Undead on a flag and watch the magic ensure.

Swarm is not OP, just make silver to hit with 100% proc again. that would be ballanced.