Thornblade[NA]

Dleatherus · August 2014

no - there's 'groups' and 'large groups' - they didn't call it 'large groups' instead of 'zerg group' any more than they didn't call call small groups 'elitist [snip]' groups because nobody likes being called an 'elitist [snip]'

'group' is the term for 2-4 players and it becomes a 'large group' for anything above 4 - are you now saying a 5 man group is a 'zerg group'?

the game is designed to cater to all kinds of play - just accept that fact and move on already - please stop trying to make your playstyle out to be better than anybody else's by putting everybody else's down - rather focus on the merits and positives of your playstyle

D.

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Aoe_Barbecue · August 2014

There is little to be materially accomplished outside of 8 or more players because of AoE caps, which just need to go already. Ambitious players don't leave large groups; ones that want to small man leave large groups.

I play solo, duo, or in small groups because I enjoy 1vX and beating larger groups with good play and cleverness. I run in 12+ because I enjoy organized large scale PvP and the satisfaction of running over 40+ due to organization and good play. The latter of these are what actually affect the map, scoreboards, and faction morale. The latter option is not better or intrinsically more fun (I prefer small group play) but it is more relevant to game objectives. So ambitious players will probably end up there.

Harnesh · August 2014

Just want to point out that the only way to actually win Thornblade is for your faction to have more points at the end of 30 days. Those points are generated by taking and holding keeps, scrolls and other large objectives that the "zerg" are much more equiped to do.

The "zerg" contributes more to the faction than the small man. The small elite groups have their place and they contribute but in the things that matter to the "scoring" of this game numbers trump all.

Now I mostly solo do I contribute, sure, do I contribute as much as a "zerg" or small man? No, could I win in a 1v1 against the guy that leads a "zerg"? Possibly, would that make me the better player? No, within the parameters that Zenimax has set up to determine a winner and a loser that"zerg"leader is doing far and away more to win than I am. So using that as our standard he is the better player.

The problem with some, certainly not all, elite players is it becomes all about them. Some of these guys are like the player on a basketball team that is all about getting his points, the team winning is of secondary concern. The attitude is I'm going to get mine if the team wins great if not <shrug> but I got mine. Going to show my age here.....Wilt Chamberlain 14 years played 7 scoring titles 2 NBA championships.......Bill Russell 13 years played 0 scoring titles 11 NBA championships.....No doubt Chamberlain is the most talented of the two but who is the better palyer?

With all that said play the way you want to and enjoy just allow others to do the same. Man we should be glad that there are people willing to lead these large groups of players and make them comfortable in RvR It helps to maintain a good healthy population base.

Damn you all for compelling me to write more in this one setting than I've written in totality for the last 20 years and in a video game forum at that

Ignore the creaking and popping you here from my knees as I now step off my soapbox.

Lowbei · August 2014

Harnesh wrote: »

Just want to point out that the only way to actually win Thornblade is for your faction to have more points at the end of 30 days. Those points are generated by taking and holding keeps, scrolls and other large objectives that the "zerg" are much more equiped to do.

The "zerg" contributes more to the faction than the small man. The small elite groups have their place and they contribute but in the things that matter to the "scoring" of this game numbers trump all.

Now I mostly solo do I contribute, sure, do I contribute as much as a "zerg" or small man? No, could I win in a 1v1 against the guy that leads a "zerg"? Possibly, would that make me the better player? No, within the parameters that Zenimax has set up to determine a winner and a loser that"zerg"leader is doing far and away more to win than I am. So using that as our standard he is the better player.

The problem with some, certainly not all, elite players is it becomes all about them. Some of these guys are like the player on a basketball team that is all about getting his points, the team winning is of secondary concern. The attitude is I'm going to get mine if the team wins great if not <shrug> but I got mine. Going to show my age here.....Wilt Chamberlain 14 years played 7 scoring titles 2 NBA championships.......Bill Russell 13 years played 0 scoring titles 11 NBA championships.....No doubt Chamberlain is the most talented of the two but who is the better palyer?

With all that said play the way you want to and enjoy just allow others to do the same. Man we should be glad that there are people willing to lead these large groups of players and make them comfortable in RvR It helps to maintain a good healthy population base.

Damn you all for compelling me to write more in this one setting than I've written in totality for the last 20 years and in a video game forum at that

Ignore the creaking and popping you here from my knees as I now step off my soapbox.

since the end of campaign rewards are literally worthless, i see no reasons to take keeps or scrolls unless farming.

you remind me of the Faction Pride crowd of roleplayers who want to take keeps back for king arthur or whatever. FOR ZE REALM!

pfft

Aoe_Barbecue · August 2014

42,000 gold is like 400 panaceas of health and even more of spell power. It's not "literally" (I think you literally don't know what literally implies) worthless. But I like winning fights *and* the campaign because I like winning. You must enjoy losing?

Harnesh · August 2014

Lowbei wrote: »

Harnesh wrote: »

Just want to point out that the only way to actually win Thornblade is for your faction to have more points at the end of 30 days. Those points are generated by taking and holding keeps, scrolls and other large objectives that the "zerg" are much more equiped to do.

The "zerg" contributes more to the faction than the small man. The small elite groups have their place and they contribute but in the things that matter to the "scoring" of this game numbers trump all.

Now I mostly solo do I contribute, sure, do I contribute as much as a "zerg" or small man? No, could I win in a 1v1 against the guy that leads a "zerg"? Possibly, would that make me the better player? No, within the parameters that Zenimax has set up to determine a winner and a loser that"zerg"leader is doing far and away more to win than I am. So using that as our standard he is the better player.

The problem with some, certainly not all, elite players is it becomes all about them. Some of these guys are like the player on a basketball team that is all about getting his points, the team winning is of secondary concern. The attitude is I'm going to get mine if the team wins great if not <shrug> but I got mine. Going to show my age here.....Wilt Chamberlain 14 years played 7 scoring titles 2 NBA championships.......Bill Russell 13 years played 0 scoring titles 11 NBA championships.....No doubt Chamberlain is the most talented of the two but who is the better palyer?

With all that said play the way you want to and enjoy just allow others to do the same. Man we should be glad that there are people willing to lead these large groups of players and make them comfortable in RvR It helps to maintain a good healthy population base.

Damn you all for compelling me to write more in this one setting than I've written in totality for the last 20 years and in a video game forum at that

Ignore the creaking and popping you here from my knees as I now step off my soapbox.

since the end of campaign rewards are literally worthless, i see no reasons to take keeps or scrolls unless farming.

you remind me of the Faction Pride crowd of roleplayers who want to take keeps back for king arthur or whatever. FOR ZE REALM!

pfft

Thanks for validating my point.

Well I don't really role play but yea that's pretty accurate. If I play a team "sport" I put the team first don't know any other way to do it. Thanks for pointing these things out you have more clearly highlighted our differing points of view than I ever could.

One last thing, with you having made it abundantly clear that your only motivation is a self serving one why should anyone listen to or for that matter believe anything you say in regards to the direction of or well being of this game?

Lowbei · August 2014

Harnesh wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

Harnesh wrote: »

Just want to point out that the only way to actually win Thornblade is for your faction to have more points at the end of 30 days. Those points are generated by taking and holding keeps, scrolls and other large objectives that the "zerg" are much more equiped to do.

The "zerg" contributes more to the faction than the small man. The small elite groups have their place and they contribute but in the things that matter to the "scoring" of this game numbers trump all.

Now I mostly solo do I contribute, sure, do I contribute as much as a "zerg" or small man? No, could I win in a 1v1 against the guy that leads a "zerg"? Possibly, would that make me the better player? No, within the parameters that Zenimax has set up to determine a winner and a loser that"zerg"leader is doing far and away more to win than I am. So using that as our standard he is the better player.

The problem with some, certainly not all, elite players is it becomes all about them. Some of these guys are like the player on a basketball team that is all about getting his points, the team winning is of secondary concern. The attitude is I'm going to get mine if the team wins great if not <shrug> but I got mine. Going to show my age here.....Wilt Chamberlain 14 years played 7 scoring titles 2 NBA championships.......Bill Russell 13 years played 0 scoring titles 11 NBA championships.....No doubt Chamberlain is the most talented of the two but who is the better palyer?

With all that said play the way you want to and enjoy just allow others to do the same. Man we should be glad that there are people willing to lead these large groups of players and make them comfortable in RvR It helps to maintain a good healthy population base.

Damn you all for compelling me to write more in this one setting than I've written in totality for the last 20 years and in a video game forum at that

Ignore the creaking and popping you here from my knees as I now step off my soapbox.

since the end of campaign rewards are literally worthless, i see no reasons to take keeps or scrolls unless farming.

you remind me of the Faction Pride crowd of roleplayers who want to take keeps back for king arthur or whatever. FOR ZE REALM!

pfft

Thanks for validating my point.

Well I don't really role play but yea that's pretty accurate. If I play a team "sport" I put the team first don't know any other way to do it. Thanks for pointing these things out you have more clearly highlighted our differing points of view than I ever could.

One last thing, with you having made it abundantly clear that your only motivation is a self serving one why should anyone listen to or for that matter believe anything you say in regards to the direction of or well being of this game?

because the powers at be know that competition is what made daoc (the game they want cyrodiil to emulate) the best rvr game up until now.

thus, not only are arenas coming, but they are taking an internal look at ae caps and will likely remove them on 1.4

sounds like they are listening.

RedTalon · August 2014

Bottom line is ZERG or nothing if your pvping your zerging cause there is always something with greater numbers.

Maybe when they open the imp setting they set something aside for the ones who don;t zerg given the city has an arena and if they follow the lore, has been standing since they first era if I recall right, so shouldn't be to heavily damage by the dreadra fighting, though doubt it will be use for such.

Dleatherus · August 2014

Lowbei wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

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just curious. why have you decided to ignore the sig function to sign the first letter of your name to a post? you realize that we see your name at the top of the post right? its not like by the end of your post we are like "whoa who wrote this? i wish they included a sig!"

no offense, just wondering

no offense taken on this one - as i answered a few posts earlier - it's the way i choose to sign off my posts - call it a quirk - nothing more nothing less

hrmmmm - in thinking about it, it's probably a 'habit' from being an old goat in his late 50's that in running a successful business used to sign TONS of handwritten letters (don't miss that at all) back in the age before computers and mammoths roamed the plains

rather than 'sign' 'Dleatherus' which as you point out is redundant since my name appears at the top of each post, I just 'initial' it

D.

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Columba · August 2014

Lol. Skilless soloers....

Columba · August 2014

people who have to solo clearly lack the skill to blob properly....

Lowbei · August 2014

Columba wrote: »

people who have to solo clearly lack the skill to blob properly....

who solos?

RedTalon · August 2014

Lowbei wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

people who have to solo clearly lack the skill to blob properly....

who solos?

I do though tag along with the blobs at times. Have only joined four groups since beta ended....though in a sense everyone is grouped in pvp even if not in a raid.

RedTalon · August 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

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Found out part of why people rarely go to the gates anymore to gain a keep isn't because the gates can be more easily defended, the gates fall faster and harder for a group has a whhole to farm ap from damaging them has where you can have manay siege weapons targetting a wall and everyone gets a share.

Farming ap is part of the game, though gold is kinda useless at times so some may think ap has more vaule maybe.

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serenenightmare · August 2014

AOE BBQ, how I told you how much I like you? xD Come on mumble more, mmmmk? I know Vira and Hova miss you the most.

Aoe_Barbecue · August 2014

serenenightmare wrote: »

AOE BBQ, how I told you how much I like you? xD Come on mumble more, mmmmk? I know Vira and Hova miss you the most.

Xsorus · August 2014

Spawn wrote: »

Lol, 12 man zerging. Hahahaha. This whole whole argument about zerging his just a laugh. Considering the best players In this game are running around with a 12 to 16 man most of the time if not more they are far from a zerg.

You can live you daoc fairy land all you want this isn't a 8man group game. This isn't a 1v1 or a arena game either it's a large scale war and all the best teams and players understand that, this is is what matters in Pvp.

Now assuming you guys are blue, I might wrong because most people only know you as a troll on here, but when it comes to cyrodill your not a presents, so it's funny you argue with people like guys from no mercy or barbie that have way presents on the battlefield then you and your crew.

I've fought many of those players in those types of groups, I wouldn't exactly call them the best players. Next...What would it matter if the "best" players ran 12-16 mans in this game. Its still zerging, just like if they did it with 24.... Also everytime you say this game isn't a 1v1 game, or an "arena" game (I assume you meant small scale groups) but a Large scale only game, anyone who's played DAOC will laugh at you...Because it shows you complete lack of understanding on this game. At this point you're nothing more then a glorified Drutt.

Xsorus · August 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

.It's been a zerg in every game with massive PvP to date, and it will continue to be a zerg despite wankers trying to make themselves feel better about zerging by claiming its not a zerg. .....

12 is zerging in this game, But I don't consider it remotely terrible compared to 24.

and you sir, are a [snip] for assigning negatives to large groups in a game specifically designed for large groups

a group of 24 is 'terrible'?? ROFL!!!!

D.

If you need a group of 24 people, Yes..You are terrible.

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Columba · August 2014

terrible in this context is completely subjective. I could claim that soloers are terrible too, with equal validity.

Xsorus · August 2014

Columba wrote: »

terrible in this context is completely subjective. I could claim that soloers are terrible too, with equal validity.

A lot of soloers are terrible as well.

lol

Columba · August 2014

Ok, your definition is entirely subjective in this context.

Xsorus · August 2014

Columba wrote: »

Ok, your definition is entirely subjective in this context.

I never said it wasn't subjective. If you think 24 people running around together are the greatest players in the world, by all means..continue to believe that. I'm sure you'll have plenty of fans asking to sign your mousepad rofl.

Dleatherus · August 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

.It's been a zerg in every game with massive PvP to date, and it will continue to be a zerg despite wankers trying to make themselves feel better about zerging by claiming its not a zerg. .....

12 is zerging in this game, But I don't consider it remotely terrible compared to 24.

and you sir, are a gripper for assigning negatives to large groups in a game specifically designed for large groups

a group of 24 is 'terrible'?? ROFL!!!!

D.

p.s. to help you stop scratching your head trying to figure out what a gripper is - a gripper is a wankers who is too stupid to move his hand

If you need a group of 24 people, Yes..You are terrible.

when you post me a video of just your group of 4 taking a defended keep, i'll agree with you

until then i'll stick by my feeling that we can all have fun in cyrodiil regardless of what size our groups are, and regardless of some folks calling others terrible or zergs or whatever

lemme know when ya have the link to the video ready

ty

D

Columba · August 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Ok, your definition is entirely subjective in this context.

I never said it wasn't subjective. If you think 24 people running around together are the greatest players in the world, by all means..continue to believe that. I'm sure you'll have plenty of fans asking to sign your mousepad rofl.

they are great at team work. they have better social skills. see how subjectivity works?

Xsorus · August 2014

Columba wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Ok, your definition is entirely subjective in this context.

I never said it wasn't subjective. If you think 24 people running around together are the greatest players in the world, by all means..continue to believe that. I'm sure you'll have plenty of fans asking to sign your mousepad rofl.

they are great at team work. they have better social skills. see how subjectivity works?

Why are you trying to convince me that 24 people are awesome? You believe they're awesome; so why try and convince me of it?

LonePirate · August 2014

As an EP player, I honestly do not know how we are not a distant third in this campaign instead of the very close third we are right now. We absolutely suck at both offense and defense. DC walked all over us during their recent march to their latest emperorship as people ignored calls to bolster our defenses at Alessia. I was ashamed of EP tonight.

Xsorus · August 2014

LonePirate wrote: »

As an EP player, I honestly do not know how we are not a distant third in this campaign instead of the very close third we are right now. We absolutely suck at both offense and defense. DC walked all over us during their recent march to their latest emperorship as people ignored calls to bolster our defenses at Alessia. I was ashamed of EP tonight.

One bad day won't set you back to much in this game...

Manoekin · August 2014

Let's lay down the law. You're insignificant to PvP in this game. You're bad because you will die 100% of the time a competent group runs into you. Zerg, no zerg, what does zerg even mean? Makes no difference. If you die you lose. It really is that simple. The only person I won't include in this is Blazin-Ace if he does play solo. Even as a sorc the only person I've seen just fighting in groups easily without dying.

BTW a zerg will have to be at least enough people to fill up your screen. Maybe 60-80. Leaving it at "I lost to more people they zerged me!" is stupid. It's just an excuse. At the 60-80 point it doesn't matter how organized the group is since you're not going to run into anything larger really.

Columba · August 2014

you seemed to misunderstand that by continuing to spew anti zerg screeds.

Xsorus · August 2014

Columba wrote: »

you seemed to misunderstand that by continuing to spew anti zerg screeds.

I'm a bit confused here; Are you saying that because something is subjective, I can no longer voice that I think its terrible?

You do understand how opinions work right?