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✭✭✭✭✭serenenightmare wrote: »serenenightmare wrote: »They weren't hacking through the gates, just exploiting. The issue is being taken care of from reports, screenshots, and calls to ZoS support. We did manage to wipe them a few times once they came down from the tower, so overall I think its funny. Can't fight on the field so they farm there
Just shows what kind of character they have.
you do get that they were just farming you, right?
Considering he mentioned that himself, yeah I think he gets it.
ahhhh so what he means to say is they cant fight your massive zerg with their smallman openfield, so they farmed you at a tower.
you didnt really expect them to be able to handle the zerg openfield with ae caps, do you?
My guild, No Mercy, does not run a zerg, but if you considered 20 people a zerg... Then I don't know what to say.
20 people is a zerg....Dleatherus wrote: »it's all relative - the 20 players when facing 80 attackers wouldn't consider themselves to be the zerg - 2 players facing the 20 would
these days people use the term 'zerg' anytime they run into an equal or greater number of enemies, and i've even seen a group of 20 in zone refer to a group of 8 enemies as 'that zerg almost got us'
soon any group greater than one player will be called a zerg
D.
Getting out zerged doesn't change the fact that you're still running a zerg..for example 60 people vs 80 people, Clearly both are zergs, but the 80 people are clearly out zerging the 60.
Zergs is kinda related to game modes. For example stealthers in DAOC, a 2v1 was not considered a zerg. But if ya ran 8 Stealthers (even though that was technically a group) you were zerging because you were generally only hitting solo's and small mans which you out numbered.
8v8 For example, If you went past 8 people say 10..You were usually considered zerging, 8v16 flat out was considered zerging even though that was only 2 groups vs 1.
If you're running around with 20 people, You're flat out zerging..Because you're not going to run into many groups greater then that..The only thing you're going to run into is other zergs.
Another thing that bugs me is those [snip] who post "Well we're organized therefor we're not a zerg"
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✭well - maybe folks who complain about 'zergs' should choose to play a game that doesn't allow for hundreds of players to be on the screen at the same time
i'm personally not a fan of them (the Noore has petitioned ZOS continuously since game launch for a campaign that pop locks at approx 250 players per faction for a total campaign pop of 750 to allow for a more strategic/tactical mode of play) - but let's face it - cyrodiil was designed for zergs
D.
p.s. though i say i'm not a fan of them i'm probably being a hypocrite (bemused observation that i guess nobody considers themselves to actually be 'THE' zerg) here because we often like to run in groups of 12-16 ... tonight we have about 20 players in cyrodiil and are in 3 separate groups - some nights we might all be in one groupEdited by Dleatherus on August 9, 2014 1:19AMStands in Puddles VR12 NB
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✭✭Perphection wrote: »
this isnt rocket science. we farm zergs because there is no competition. if there were arenas already here (coming soon) we would be there.
farming zergs is the fastest ap, why wouldnt we do that while waiting on competition to arrive to eso?
Take this *** to tells. Jeez, your videos are just as the title describes them... "meh"
I agree with this though. Exchange @'s and talk trash in game. Maybe exchange phone numbers you guys seem to like each other so much. It was fun for a while, but now you two are pretty much ruining every thread on this board. PvP in this game isn't meant for 1v1, and even if you want to talk group pvp then face the fact that every group gets rolled now and then. If you can't admit that then you're either lying or haven't faced a good group. Doesn't matter how much people it takes to beat you. Fact is they beat you.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dleatherus wrote: »well - maybe folks who complain about 'zergs' should choose to play a game that doesn't allow for hundreds of players to be on the screen at the same time
i'm personally not a fan of them (the Noore has petitioned ZOS continuously since game launch for a campaign that pop locks at approx 250 players per faction for a total campaign pop of 750 to allow for a more strategic/tactical mode of play) - but let's face it - cyrodiil was designed for zergs
D.
p.s. though i say i'm not a fan of them i'm probably being a hypocrite (bemused observation that i guess nobody considers themselves to actually be 'THE' zerg) here because we often like to run in groups of 12-16 ... tonight we have about 20 players in cyrodiil and are in 3 separate groups - some nights we might all be in one group
I don't think Lowbei has a problem with zergs, I personally don't.
What we have a problem with is Zerg Balls.
There is a difference.
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✭✭✭✭✭Perphection wrote: »
this isnt rocket science. we farm zergs because there is no competition. if there were arenas already here (coming soon) we would be there.
farming zergs is the fastest ap, why wouldnt we do that while waiting on competition to arrive to eso?
Take this *** to tells. Jeez, your videos are just as the title describes them... "meh"
I agree with this though. Exchange @'s and talk trash in game. Maybe exchange phone numbers you guys seem to like each other so much. It was fun for a while, but now you two are pretty much ruining every thread on this board. PvP in this game isn't meant for 1v1, and even if you want to talk group pvp then face the fact that every group gets rolled now and then. If you can't admit that then you're either lying or haven't faced a good group. Doesn't matter how much people it takes to beat you. Fact is they beat you.
Actually, 1v1 is very much apart of this game's pvp...That's another problem I have with people now a days
They assume that just because Cyrodiil is a massive PvP, the only type of PvP meant to be played is Zerg vs Zerg....
That is not the case, 1v1, Small man vs small mans, group vs group, zerg vs erg are all viable forms of PvP in Cyrodiil because the game its designed after DAOC was that way. There was an entire Solo meta in DAOC for example. So claiming that this game isn't meant for 1v1 is silly...Cause it is... Its just not meant for solely 1v1 just like its not meant for solely zerg vs zerg
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Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭Perphection wrote: »
this isnt rocket science. we farm zergs because there is no competition. if there were arenas already here (coming soon) we would be there.
farming zergs is the fastest ap, why wouldnt we do that while waiting on competition to arrive to eso?
Take this *** to tells. Jeez, your videos are just as the title describes them... "meh"
I agree with this though. Exchange @'s and talk trash in game. Maybe exchange phone numbers you guys seem to like each other so much. It was fun for a while, but now you two are pretty much ruining every thread on this board. PvP in this game isn't meant for 1v1, and even if you want to talk group pvp then face the fact that every group gets rolled now and then. If you can't admit that then you're either lying or haven't faced a good group. Doesn't matter how much people it takes to beat you. Fact is they beat you.
i only respond to people, and i challenge you can find a single quote within the last week of me starting an argument on here, rather than responding to jealous unfavorables.
its not my fault or problem if columba needs to say my name every post haha
good luck
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Aoe_Barbecue✭✭✭✭✭Calling any amount of greater numbers "zerging" fails to accurately portray what the word means tbh. The namesake race in Starcraft is unique for producing larger amounts of weaker (usually) units versus the stronger and more expensive Protoss or ,to a lesser extent, Terran. (Inb4 "kekeke zerg rush".) Zerging implies victory coming from overwhelming numbers almost entirely. A large amount of players does not have to be "zerging". This obviously has common sense limits. 60+ people steam rolling the enemy faction is clearly using overwhelming numbers condensed in a small area to win. 20 - 24 people is not necessarily a zerg, unless you have a smug, elitist persona to maintain (accompanied by frequent childish exchanges with the other side of your respective coin *cough*) and you'll have it no other way. Edited by Aoe_Barbecue on August 9, 2014 4:19AM4
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✭I'm a pugger and run around with my BF looking for fights. I'm sick and tired of three man and 4 man zergs..gah..stop being so unfair..it hurts my feelings.0 -
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✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Perphection wrote: »
this isnt rocket science. we farm zergs because there is no competition. if there were arenas already here (coming soon) we would be there.
farming zergs is the fastest ap, why wouldnt we do that while waiting on competition to arrive to eso?
Take this *** to tells. Jeez, your videos are just as the title describes them... "meh"
I agree with this though. Exchange @'s and talk trash in game. Maybe exchange phone numbers you guys seem to like each other so much. It was fun for a while, but now you two are pretty much ruining every thread on this board. PvP in this game isn't meant for 1v1, and even if you want to talk group pvp then face the fact that every group gets rolled now and then. If you can't admit that then you're either lying or haven't faced a good group. Doesn't matter how much people it takes to beat you. Fact is they beat you.
Actually, 1v1 is very much apart of this game's pvp...That's another problem I have with people now a days
They assume that just because Cyrodiil is a massive PvP, the only type of PvP meant to be played is Zerg vs Zerg....
That is not the case, 1v1, Small man vs small mans, group vs group, zerg vs erg are all viable forms of PvP in Cyrodiil because the game its designed after DAOC was that way. There was an entire Solo meta in DAOC for example. So claiming that this game isn't meant for 1v1 is silly...Cause it is... Its just not meant for solely 1v1 just like its not meant for solely zerg vs zerg
No. Everything in this game outside of questing/leveling is group based. What you are telling me is that 1v1 is possible. To anyone with half a brain the game is designed to be played in a group. I'm not suggesting it shouldn't exist or anything, but really that in the end it doesn't matter. Any importance attributed to 1v1 is entirely player created.1 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »Calling any amount of greater numbers "zerging" fails to accurately portray what the word means tbh. The namesake race in Starcraft is unique for producing larger amounts of weaker (usually) units versus the stronger and more expensive Protoss or ,to a lesser extent, Terran. (Inb4 "kekeke zerg rush".) Zerging implies victory coming from overwhelming numbers almost entirely. A large amount of players does not have to be "zerging". This obviously has common sense limits. 60+ people steam rolling the enemy faction is clearly using overwhelming numbers condensed in a small area to win. 20 - 24 people is not necessarily a zerg, unless you have a smug, elitist persona to maintain (accompanied by frequent childish exchanges with the other side of your respective coin *cough*) and you'll have it no other way.
The name was co-opted in DAOC to describe pretty much anyone uses lots of numbers to achieve anything. So if you're running around with large amount of people, You're zerging. 20-24 is a zerg....It's been a zerg in every game with massive PvP to date, and it will continue to be a zerg despite wankers trying to make themselves feel better about zerging by claiming its not a zerg.
I believe this is bi-product of bads coming from GW2 who ran their crappy zerg balls over there.
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Perphection wrote: »
this isnt rocket science. we farm zergs because there is no competition. if there were arenas already here (coming soon) we would be there.
farming zergs is the fastest ap, why wouldnt we do that while waiting on competition to arrive to eso?
Take this *** to tells. Jeez, your videos are just as the title describes them... "meh"
I agree with this though. Exchange @'s and talk trash in game. Maybe exchange phone numbers you guys seem to like each other so much. It was fun for a while, but now you two are pretty much ruining every thread on this board. PvP in this game isn't meant for 1v1, and even if you want to talk group pvp then face the fact that every group gets rolled now and then. If you can't admit that then you're either lying or haven't faced a good group. Doesn't matter how much people it takes to beat you. Fact is they beat you.
Actually, 1v1 is very much apart of this game's pvp...That's another problem I have with people now a days
They assume that just because Cyrodiil is a massive PvP, the only type of PvP meant to be played is Zerg vs Zerg....
That is not the case, 1v1, Small man vs small mans, group vs group, zerg vs erg are all viable forms of PvP in Cyrodiil because the game its designed after DAOC was that way. There was an entire Solo meta in DAOC for example. So claiming that this game isn't meant for 1v1 is silly...Cause it is... Its just not meant for solely 1v1 just like its not meant for solely zerg vs zerg
No. Everything in this game outside of questing/leveling is group based. What you are telling me is that 1v1 is possible. To anyone with half a brain the game is designed to be played in a group. I'm not suggesting it shouldn't exist or anything, but really that in the end it doesn't matter. Any importance attributed to 1v1 is entirely player created.
You realize DAOC was far more group based then this game right? Yet the game supported an entire 1v1 meta.... Hell to sum it up even better, there was a title you could achieve in DAOC for killing players while solo... if you killed 2000 Solo players, you were called a Lone Enforcer.
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
You realize DAOC was far more group based then this game right? Yet the game supported an entire 1v1 meta.... Hell to sum it up even better, there was a title you could achieve in DAOC for killing players while solo... if you killed 2000 Solo players, you were called a Lone Enforcer.
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Aoe_Barbecue✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The name was co-opted in DAOC to describe pretty much anyone uses lots of numbers to achieve anything. So if you're running around with large amount of people, You're zerging. 20-24 is a zerg....It's been a zerg in every game with massive PvP to date, and it will continue to be a zerg despite wankers trying to make themselves feel better about zerging by claiming its not a zerg.
I believe this is bi-product of bads coming from GW2 who ran their crappy zerg balls over there.
This boils down to arbitrary thresholds of how many constitutes "too many". It's not about conveying anything with truth value, but likes and dislikes and entirely contrived categories. If and when you roll over soloists do you transform from an anachronistic DAoC 8 man into a zergling? Stop zerging breh!
Tu quoque, etc.
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »The name was co-opted in DAOC to describe pretty much anyone uses lots of numbers to achieve anything. So if you're running around with large amount of people, You're zerging. 20-24 is a zerg....It's been a zerg in every game with massive PvP to date, and it will continue to be a zerg despite wankers trying to make themselves feel better about zerging by claiming its not a zerg.
I believe this is bi-product of bads coming from GW2 who ran their crappy zerg balls over there.
This boils down to arbitrary thresholds of how many constitutes "too many". It's not about conveying anything with truth value, but likes and dislikes and entirely contrived categories. If and when you roll over soloists do you transform from an anachronistic DAoC 8 man into a zergling? Stop zerging breh!
Tu quoque, etc.
If an 8 man rolls over a solo player? That is actually zerging... Hell it was heavily frowned upon if you were stealthers doing it, because the people you specifically were going to be killing were solo's and smallmans.
You seem to be under the impression that because I ran in an 8 man in daoc, I didn't zerg down players, or Believed I zerged down players who were solo..You would be mistaken, I knew exactly what it was..I didn't pretend it wasn't that though nor did I come to the forums and say "Yea know..My 24 man group isn't zerging, we're organized" because that would be moronic.
Nor would I believe that my 24 man group getting zerged by a bigger group wasn't suddenly zerging anymore because i got out zerged.
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tintinabula wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
You realize DAOC was far more group based then this game right? Yet the game supported an entire 1v1 meta.... Hell to sum it up even better, there was a title you could achieve in DAOC for killing players while solo... if you killed 2000 Solo players, you were called a Lone Enforcer.
Actually this ^ is how they need to determine who Emperor should be.
I actually wish more games did this now a days...I was working towards it on my Valkyrie when I quit the game. I had 1843 solo kills...Which is fairly hard to get if you're a visible toon, and since Realm Ranks were slower at my Rank that was the achievement I was trying for more then gaining realm points at that point.
It also lead to people honoring 1v1 fights if you were a well known soloer. For example no AJing your fight (which was looked down upon in both 1v1's and 8v8).
Generally if you were in a 1v1 fight, I'd let ya finish, heal up.. and then /beckon you to start the fight.
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Aoe_Barbecue✭✭✭✭✭One man's small man is another's keke zerg rush apparently. I am comfortable dueling, soloing, small manning, and apparently zerging with 12 - 20. Though I am unsure if NM with 12 is 50% less zergish than with 24. Lol
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »One man's small man is another's keke zerg rush apparently. I am comfortable dueling, soloing, small manning, and apparently zerging with 12 - 20. Though I am unsure if NM with 12 is 50% less zergish than with 24. Lol
If you couldn't tell I find categories arbitrarily enforced as such as absurd.
12 is zerging in this game, But I don't consider it remotely terrible compared to 24. I personally think you need 8 people in this game to take on fairly large numbers in this game. I can see people running 12 though because that's the Trial size so that makes a lot of sense. However running around with 24 and pretending that's not a zerg...Nope...just Nope..
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Aoe_Barbecue✭✭✭✭✭It's not. It's a full large group. The fact that you attach negative value to a full large group says nothing other than, "I don't like this." Mazal tov? Edited by Aoe_Barbecue on August 9, 2014 7:06AM0
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Spawn✭✭✭Lol, 12 man zerging. Hahahaha. This whole whole argument about zerging his just a laugh. Considering the best players In this game are running around with a 12 to 16 man most of the time if not more they are far from a zerg.
You can live you daoc fairy land all you want this isn't a 8man group game. This isn't a 1v1 or a arena game either it's a large scale war and all the best teams and players understand that, this is is what matters in Pvp.
Now assuming you guys are blue, I might wrong because most people only know you as a troll on here, but when it comes to cyrodill your not a presents, so it's funny you argue with people like guys from no mercy or barbie that have way presents on the battlefield then you and your crew.
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✭I really don't care how others view my play style. Fine, call me a zergling. I don't see shame in that. There are no superior play styles. People who claim so simply have nothing else in their life to be proud of and fuss over made up rules in video games. They tend to have low self esteem, be pasty pale and live in basements. Play however you like and give the middle finger to the elitists who think their preferred mode of play is superior. It isn't. They are delusional.Edited by Columba on August 9, 2014 7:18AM1 -
Harnesh✭✭✭Not sure why there is so much animosity at the "zerg" it serves a purpose not everyone is some leet gamer nor do they want to be but you have a few guilds that are willing to take the masses give them some direction and they actually get things done not sure what the problem is with that or why it generates so much hate.
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Spawn✭✭✭Anyways enough about the zerg. It has its place this topic is about server.
So far this campaign is a bloodbath, it's pretty much anyone's game, first day or two the purple alliance was going strong pushing down south South against yellow constantly, but it seems some rifts have formed with less joint operations going and some in fighting to the north. Everyone yellow has had their share of emperor, yellows chance was but the brown alliance worked hard to to stop that, we might not see a multi day reign any time soon.Hexspawn
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: ».It's been a zerg in every game with massive PvP to date, and it will continue to be a zerg despite wankers trying to make themselves feel better about zerging by claiming its not a zerg. .....
12 is zerging in this game, But I don't consider it remotely terrible compared to 24.
and you sir, are a [snip] for assigning negatives to large groups in a game specifically designed for large groups
a group of 24 is 'terrible'?? ROFL!!!!
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Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭... couple things
for one, if im running 8 and my people stop to hit a solo or interrupt a 1v1, i would spam /slap them, as that is dishonorable. same goes for interrupting an 8v8.
two, theres two different sizes of "group"....
in daoc they had one group size but knew that they needed something bigger, so they made cgs/bgs to which many groups of 8 could join, so they could communicate with other groups of a similar purpose without spamming region chat.
in eso, you have "groups" (4) and "large groups" (24). they named it "large" instead of "zerg" because they know that zergers dont like to be called out on zerging. but really, theres 2 group sizes, theres groups and zerg groups.
btw, i understand people running 12, and unless im solo, i dont consider that a zerg. i think its too many, more than i would group for sure, but if thats also your trials group then i get it.
and again, the point is to inspire zergers to get fed up with being farmed and get the ambition to break away from the zerg to form their own group, pulling any semi-decent players they might have seen in the zerg with them. thus, creating more groups to fight in the future, as i know that the same thing happens on all 3 sides. 4v4v4 arenas will be fun imo, more of you should make groups for it
also, smallmans make like 3-5x more ap/hr than zergs, easily. but nobody cares about ap, yet.Edited by Lowbei on August 9, 2014 2:59PM1
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