galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

1. I formed
2. I lead
3. I ensured
4. I lead

A lot of 'I' there, here I was thinking campaigns were a team based activity.

It does; but that post was intented to answer the poster's charge that "I did nothing".

Therefore I simply indicated what I did... Alas it matters not anymore.

I run in two main guilds. Well I am new to the second one.

My primary guild is Aldmeri Vice. We are just a group of less than 10 guys that came over from other games together. Generally we run as an interference gank squad. Chances are if there is ever Arena PvP here this is the group I will do it with. We are dying to get into Arena style here.

The other is BDG, a coordinated large guild with a bunch of really good raid leaders and solid movement callers, etc. Great for AP farming or getting into big battles with lots of OPFOR.

I like both styles, but I would prefer small group fighting as a norm.

Id consider both guilds (at least as far as ive known of them) to be in the elite category, minmax, voice comms, coordinated movement and strategy, etc. Play to win and all that.

So when I see claims that elite guilds ruin PvP I question the motive of the OP or whoever says something to that effect. the "elite guilds" are the ones that actually spearhead or maintain the ongoing strength of their respective faction. Without them youd never get anywhere because rest assured other "elite guilds" are on the OPFOR. No pug group of ragtags without central coordination or a definite plan is going to hold out vs an "elite guild" for very long.

Rylana wrote: »

So when I see claims that elite guilds ruin PvP I question the motive of the OP or whoever says something to that effect. the "elite guilds" are the ones that actually spearhead or maintain the ongoing strength of their respective faction. Without them youd never get anywhere because rest assured other "elite guilds" are on the OPFOR. No pug group of ragtags without central coordination or a definite plan is going to hold out vs an "elite guild" for very long.

WEll my word usage on the post might be over-broad but for purposes of this thread: Elite guilds are defined as ones that do what I specify. Else "good" or "skilled" or "Hard Core" guilds that exist that are nice do not qualify for my rebuke.

Bloodvax wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you knew how many times small-group guilds with elite geared and max level players helped your faction by holding up twice their numbers you'd probably stop raging and go get better at PvP.

Fixed that for you. Since about half of most zergs are made up on undergeared sub 50s with access to only half of their skills, it is not necessarily skill that is winning these fights for you. Not saying it can't be, but squashing a hundred ants isn't proof that you are good.

I'm still amazed that people sign up to be fodder...I stopped pvping until I hit V1 for the most part for these reasons.

Fixed? There are plenty terrible V12's out there dying to low VR's every day. Get better at PvP.

course... a L2Per........ why don't you roll a NB, get him/her to VR1, go to PvP, and try to fight anyone above VR5/6. you wont last long, EXCEPT if you get a sneak hit, and they don't heal, which they almost always spam self heals like crazy. your stuns almost will never work, because the game wants you to be close to their lvl for your stuns and interrupts to work, so you cant even stop their attacks. IT would not be a problem, if 85% of the population, was not VR12:/ again, roll a NB, get them to VR1, fight someone about 4 or 5 Vr lvls above you, you likely will be slaughtered.

Your using the wrong build then.

maybe. or it could be the game wont let me stun players that are about 5 or 6 lvls higher then me 90% of the time. idk. why im not going back till Vr10. ill figure out what works best then.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

KerberosSoldier wrote: »

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Bloodvax wrote: »

Funniest thing in the game is getting one of these PRO pvpers from a PRO pvp guild 1v1. They spam all their abilities that only work in zergs on you and it does nothing. Its really funny to watch. Most of these elite guys are complete garbage 1v1. The illusion of skill only comes from running in a big zerg stacking ultimates and using cheese mode tactics. Then they call it coordination and skill.

Your post makes very little sense.

Pro pvpers are not in zergs. If they are in a zerg, they are not a pro pvper. No skilled player I know thinks running around in a group of 24 is fun.

In general if you are designed for solo play and you fight someone built for group play, you should win, or your solo build, or their group build, is garbage.

Running in a group of 24 who listens to commands is not a zerg. It might be protoss...

A group of 24 running restoration destruction will devestate 100 uncoordinated or unsuspecting enemies.

Yeah, and then you meet a few of those sheeps outside of the flock and wonder why they`re eating dirt after just sneezing at them...

Skilled players will get bored quite fast in an environment where they cannot continually expand the limits of their personal skills. Which isn`t possible in a 24 men group. Because coordination becomes more important than situational awareness, apm, precision, split second decision making and all the good stuff.

That's not necessarily true. Sure there are times when our raid is more about following orders and being coordinate to counter or attack, but our group values individual players as well. We will often be given orders to free-range about a position we are trying to hold, in which case we fan out in small groups and both act as a large scout force and gank crews to protect the main objective.

Situational awareness from each member of our raid is more than a nice-to-have, it's a requirement. The whole raid would fail if individuals weren't situationally aware.

Ultimately having a large group comprised of individuals who are each capable of handling themselves without the group to support them leads to a much stronger force when we are coordinated (as opposed to the worm/rainbow train groups that just run around spamming damage on the crown and can't think for themselves).

I've expanded my personal skills quite a bit since I started running with this large group, and I think most everyone who plays with us would share that opinion.

@the OP

Guess what? You don't have to join an 'elite' guild to be effective.

In fact you don't *have* to do anything, this is a game. Run solo, PuG, gank, even quest if you so feel.

But if you feel like crying less and trying to have fun more, feel free to get in touch with people that don't have these problems and ask for advice.

P.S. @Rylana‌ we run separate gank groups from time to time too - just get drunk and kill *** when feeling lazy.