PVE etiquette, dammit.

Royalroacho · August 2014

Over the past couple of days playing, I've run into a few frustrating situations involving other players. My first thought is that they're intentionally being ***. Thats probly the case. But its possible theyre just ignorant of their douchbaggery, and this post will help promote considerate and polite interactions in the game. Or maybe im just venting.

The first scenario has happened somewhat regularly. Im in an area with a high mob population, and I see someone has pulled too many mobs, and are struggling while their health dwindles to a tiny hyphen. I usually start spamming scorched earth, pull the aggro and give them a chance to recovery. Usually they do, and we make short work of it together. But SOMETIMES, the guy just runs off, and I die. This just happened again, prompting this post. He ran away to loot barrels, which added insult to injury.

Number 2. This has happened a couple times. Im doing a public dungeon, or trying to solo a world boss, when I notice I have a second shadow. They follow me in stealth with a ranged weapon, and let me do all the work. They fire off a light attack so they can get in on the loot, eagerly sprinting past me to reap the bounty of my hard fought victory. Im fairly certain these people are enthusiastic ***, and trying to ask them to stop would be pretty futile.

Scenario the third. Tanks in pugs. This isnt so much venting frustration as requesting other more knowledgeable player take a small moment of their time to share some of that knowledge instead of humiliating them. Or just give them one solid tip, then proceed with the verbal assault, if you cant stop yourself. I try to be patient when someone's legitimately trying to learn. Its definitely annoying though, and I wish they would do a little research before tanking with all dps spec. But before I leave the group I try to give them some obvious hint like "you need a taunt". even if its a semi polite request that they google the words "eso tanking". Maybe theyll end up being good at it, or at least stop doing it when they see whats involved.

Ahh. I kinda feel better now. And I didnt get my account banned for mercilessly haranguing someone in chat.

Nestor · August 2014

1. These people usually die later on or get themselves into trouble again, I run past them then.
2. There is no loot stealing in this game, so as long as I get mine, they can get theirs however they want.
3. Read this thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124570/apology-and-request-for-patience

Now, what really fries my bacon is when I save their life and they steal a mat node from under my nose. Grrr, they get no help after that. I will even follow them around to watch them die while I play my drum.

KariTR · August 2014

And then there is the guy who feels the need to make a whole thread simply because he very occasionally comes across other players in an MMO whose play habits aren't compatible with his.

Fancy that...

Lunerdog · August 2014

KariTR wrote: »

And then there is the guy who feels the need to make a whole thread simply because he very occasionally comes across other players in an MMO whose play habits aren't compatible with his.

Fancy that...

And then there's the guy who comes into the thread to make sarcastic comments about it .

Fancy that...

UrQuan · August 2014

Scenario 1: Yeah, that's annoying. Personally, if I've got some decent heals equipped (depends on the character I'm playing at the time) I prefer to heal the random player in trouble rather than attack the stuff he's fighting. That way I'm still helping him out, without making it likely that he'll run away and leave me in a bad situation. Otherwise I'll do what you do and hope that he doesn't take off on me.

Scenario 2: I personally don't mind this unless they start snagging chests from me. They aren't helping much, but they aren't hindering me in any way either. Fine by me.

Scenario 3: Tanking is a skill that needs to be learned. It's also my favorite role to play in dungeons (but not one that I play with all of my alts, because many of them just aren't built for it in terms of skills/stats/equipment). I totally agree with your comments here.

KariTR · August 2014

Then if that is all you read, I pity your game sessions.

SirAndy · August 2014

1. I always help other players when i see them struggle, but i never expect anything in return. It makes no difference to me if they just run off. If i die in the battle, then that's my fault, not theirs.

2. I've just had that happen last night. Turns out the guy was 2 levels below me and i was 1 level below the dungeon mobs. He was simply hanging back, helping out every once in a while. Didn't bother me one bit.

;-)

Melian · August 2014

Your post is very revealing. You try to help someone out, he takes off (not necessarily realizing you were trying to help or that you couldn't handle the mobs alone) and you get mad. An archer happens to be going through a public dungeon with you, and you get mad. You make condescending remarks to tanks, telling them things everyone knows. Yep, there's someone being a jerk in all those situations...

Royalroacho · August 2014

KariTR wrote: »

Then if that is all you read, I pity your game sessions.

Thanks? I guess? For bestowing your valuable pity? Well, its the gesture that counts.

Im aware that the nature of this post was more than partially self indulgent. I cant change peoples behavior. But id wager at some point in your gaming career something, someone did something that really bugged you, and you wanted to say something about it. None of my RL friends are gamers. I dont think this was wierd. Were all compelled to post our thoughts on this forum. Even if sometimes its not the pinnacle of constructivity, and accidentally summons an army of bloodthirsty trolls.

Edit- became aware of the irony of refering to others as trolls when my post is teetering on the edge of trolldom...

aronothub17_ESO · August 2014

Lunerdog wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

And then there is the guy who feels the need to make a whole thread simply because he very occasionally comes across other players in an MMO whose play habits aren't compatible with his.

Fancy that...

And then there's the guy who comes into the thread to make sarcastic comments about it .

Fancy that...

and then theres the guy who comes into the thread to make a comment about the guy who made the sarcastic comment about it

Fancy that....
sorry couldnt resist i tried so hard

Araflin · August 2014

Some people, in-game an in thread discussions, can be less than generous with their understanding of fellow humanity
(Read: Only ever release pleasure when alone).

Some people prefer to take the node you are fighting mobs for rather than let you get the reward you were aiming for.
(Read: As above, with their hand)

Some people prefer to flame and put down when they have nothing better to say because they wrongly think it raises them up from the trash.
(Read: As above twice, but always the way they will release).

Anonymity unfortunately brings out the 'tool' in many people. I feel for you, I understand, and I hope it will change - but I doubt it will.

(I've tried to be as vague and obtuse as possible in my insults to be crude without being overtly rude and offensive)

Inversus · August 2014

1 - I use heal/support spells rather than trying to take the heat away from the target.. much less dangerous
So I haven't had the chance to experience this

2 - Eh usually these people help a little, so I don't really mind if they're using me to complete a goal which they can't complete solo - they were probably waiting a while for someone to do it for them so they deserve the victory for waiting :^)

forbarcusb16_ESO · August 2014

Enlighten me, what's a PUG? :P

Royalroacho · August 2014

A pug is a "pick up group" , when you group up with people from chat or tge grouping tool, typically people you haven't met before

KariTR · August 2014

Royalroacho wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Then if that is all you read, I pity your game sessions.

Thanks? I guess? For bestowing your valuable pity? Well, its the gesture that counts.

Im aware that the nature of this post was more than partially self indulgent. I cant change peoples behavior. But id wager at some point in your gaming career something, someone did something that really bugged you, and you wanted to say something about it. None of my RL friends are gamers. I dont think this was wierd. Were all compelled to post our thoughts on this forum. Even if sometimes its not the pinnacle of constructivity, and accidentally summons an army of bloodthirsty trolls.

Edit- became aware of the irony of refering to others as trolls when my post is teetering on the edge of trolldom...

I think it is pitiful that in that same game session you probably played with and/or alongside dozens of polite, considerate and nice strangers and yet you dismiss them all in a moment over the odd player who isn't worth a second thought.

I could ask "where is your etiquette, that you would overlook all the decent players in favour of 'that guy'". That's what it boils down to, to me.

Let me tell you something that happened last night during my game session.

Another player put up a shout for a dolmen in Bangkorai - the difficult to get to one, through the ruins. I had done it and wouldn't have gone back by choice, but this guy shouted for a while, so I took pity and whispered him for an invite.

Travelling to his location took me to wrong wayshrine, so it took a while to get there but I made it and we began to fight. It was a relatively tough dolmen for two...storm atronachs kept spawning, and he more or less left me to it while he grabbed pinions. I got ticked off when he grabbed the third so placed myself at the last pinion, thinking he would get the message and I continued to fight. When the last pinioned opened, blow me but he only comes rushing over and takes that as well while I am still dealing with a storm.

I just thought, 'screw that' and legged it before I could get any agro from whatever creature from hell was coming next.

I'm sure many people will sympathise with my actions BUT. I wouldn't have been surprised to come here and read a thread about a *** sorc who deliberately griefed another player by waiting for the dolmen boss(es) to spawn and then dropping agro to intentionally to get him killed. Because from my pinion-hugging fellow player's POV, that is exactly what I did.

Now it so happens that before and after that event, I had a great night doing Razak's and world bosses with random groups. Everyone made sure everyone else had objectives, quests, achievements etc. before moving on. It was a great play session all in all and to me that is far more worthy of discussion than someone who saw "shinies, must get" and left you to die/do all the work.

Humankind is great and awesome, on the whole. Add to the greater part, not the lesser.

ThisOnePosts · August 2014

Nestor wrote: »

1. These people usually die later on or get themselves into trouble again, I run past them then.
2. There is no loot stealing in this game, so as long as I get mine, they can get theirs however they want.
3. Read this thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124570/apology-and-request-for-patience

Now, what really fries my bacon is when I save their life and they steal a mat node from under my nose. Grrr, they get no help after that. I will even follow them around to watch them die while I play my drum.

LMFAO I do similar spiteful things when someone is a ***, but a lot more vicious XD irony intended

However I do go out of my way to help people. There was this one idiot, who kept pulling mobs into our group then going stealth. So we filed a report. Nothing. No in game contact, generic message in email, so I decided to just hit trade invite on him fast a bunch of times until the mobs caught him and he died. Then I found /spit to come in handy as a few others did the /laugh oohhh to troll a troll, how satisfying

Azzuria · August 2014

When playing solo I will almost always come to the aid of a player who's in over their head. When duo-ing with my best friend we tend to avoid other people because with 2, the game is already almost too easy.

As to world bosses and public dungeon bosses, again, it depends on if I'm solo or paired up with my best friend. Solo, I will always help out if needed. If I decide to help there's no weak-sauce, tag-it-to-loot-it crap. I go all out, (girl)balls to the wall mode. When duoing, we tend to prefer doing it just the two of us, with a few rare exceptions where we're outmatched. But again, those instances are rare.

Ah, tanking. It's a calling, I feel. Some people just have the knack and some don't. It can be learned but only some can be awesome at it. There's a feel to tanking, kind of a 6th sense about what to do to which mob when that you either have naturally or one slowly develops something resembling it with practice.

Being primarily DPS, I try to be kind to tanks and healers because, personally, they're not play styles I prefer. But, yeah, there are some simply horrid, awful, willfully and arrogantly terrible tanks out there. If you've suffered more than your share of them, I feel for ya.

Araflin · August 2014

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

Enlighten me, what's a PUG? :P

People, Usually Galling.

Azzuria · August 2014

Araflin wrote: »

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

Enlighten me, what's a PUG? :P

People, Usually Galling.

Pick-Up Group and a really ugly dog. But I'm being redundant.

Araflin · August 2014

Yes, I think you missed the irony and humour from my post.

Nestor · August 2014

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

Enlighten me, what's a PUG? :P

PUG was answered above. There is another type of Group too, Ad Hoc, this is where you just run a dungeon with someone else without actually grouping with them. Most of the time it just happens as you go along. Sometimes people actually form a PUG from this, sometimes they don't.

The only downside to a Ad Hoc is you don't get to share in loot from kills you did not make with the other person. But most of the time, your attacking the same mobs, so it all works out.

Surliman · August 2014

1) Do they ask for your help? If you assist without being asked, then you should have zero expectations. I help people out the same way. Maybe they want it, maybe they don't. If so, I am sure they are grateful, and if not...well...maybe they are playing the wrong game.

2) So? Like has been noted, everyone gets their own loot. Be grateful (?) for the little assistance they do provide.

3) Don't know. I don't pug.

KariTR · August 2014

Nestor wrote: »

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

Enlighten me, what's a PUG? :P

PUG was answered above. There is another type of Group too, Ad Hoc, this is where you just run a dungeon with someone else without actually grouping with them. Most of the time it just happens as you go along. Sometimes people actually form a PUG from this, sometimes they don't.

The only downside to a Ad Hoc is you don't get to share in loot from kills you did not make with the other person. But most of the time, your attacking the same mobs, so it all works out.

The beauty of this system is everyone gets their own loot from the same kill, whether in a party or not. There is no 'sharing' ergo there is no 'kill-stealing'.

Venereous44 · August 2014

You just need to let that crap slide man.. or it'll just bug the @#% out of you. I just presume they didn't know any better when I see stupid stuff...

My personal pet peeve to which its hard to excuse is the resource nab after you just cleared the mob guarding it...

Surliman · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

You just need to let that crap slide man.. or it'll just bug the @#% out of you. I just presume they didn't know any better when I see stupid stuff...

My personal pet peeve to which its hard to excuse is the resource nab after you just cleared the mob guarding it...

As you've said, you gotta let it go or it'll eat you up inside. Realize it's a game and there will be other nodes. Been there myself, takes awhile to let it slide. Still get annoyed but it quickly passes and I move on, forget all about it. Wasn't always true, though. Early on as Wow player I was collecting ore veins and another guy tried taking the node as well. In that game at the time you could get some ore, then hit it again for more, until eventually it disappears. This guys tried that on me. Just ticked me off. So I hit it, got the loot window open...and walked away from my computer. 10 minutes later he was still standing there waiting LOL

Royalroacho · August 2014

KariTR wrote: »

Royalroacho wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Then if that is all you read, I pity your game sessions.

Thanks? I guess? For bestowing your valuable pity? Well, its the gesture that counts.

Im aware that the nature of this post was more than partially self indulgent. I cant change peoples behavior. But id wager at some point in your gaming career something, someone did something that really bugged you, and you wanted to say something about it. None of my RL friends are gamers. I dont think this was wierd. Were all compelled to post our thoughts on this forum. Even if sometimes its not the pinnacle of constructivity, and accidentally summons an army of bloodthirsty trolls.

Edit- became aware of the irony of refering to others as trolls when my post is teetering on the edge of trolldom...

I think it is pitiful that in that same game session you probably played with and/or alongside dozens of polite, considerate and nice strangers and yet you dismiss them all in a moment over the odd player who isn't worth a second thought.

I could ask "where is your etiquette, that you would overlook all the decent players in favour of 'that guy'". That's what it boils down to, to me.

Let me tell you something that happened last night during my game session.

Another player put up a shout for a dolmen in Bangkorai - the difficult to get to one, through the ruins. I had done it and wouldn't have gone back by choice, but this guy shouted for a while, so I took pity and whispered him for an invite.

Travelling to his location took me to wrong wayshrine, so it took a while to get there but I made it and we began to fight. It was a relatively tough dolmen for two...storm atronachs kept spawning, and he more or less left me to it while he grabbed pinions. I got ticked off when he grabbed the third so placed myself at the last pinion, thinking he would get the message and I continued to fight. When the last pinioned opened, blow me but he only comes rushing over and takes that as well while I am still dealing with a storm.

I just thought, 'screw that' and legged it before I could get any agro from whatever creature from hell was coming next.

I'm sure many people will sympathise with my actions BUT. I wouldn't have been surprised to come here and read a thread about a *** sorc who deliberately griefed another player by waiting for the dolmen boss(es) to spawn and then dropping agro to intentionally to get him killed. Because from my pinion-hugging fellow player's POV, that is exactly what I did.

Now it so happens that before and after that event, I had a great night doing Razak's and world bosses with random groups. Everyone made sure everyone else had objectives, quests, achievements etc. before moving on. It was a great play session all in all and to me that is far more worthy of discussion than someone who saw "shinies, must get" and left you to die/do all the work.

Humankind is great and awesome, on the whole. Add to the greater part, not the lesser.

~grooaaan~
I think you might think im taking myself more seriously than I am here. I wanted to vent a little frustration, make a semi silly little rant. Most of my interactions with people in the game world are great. Im not like, terminally bitter about this. Im going to keep helping people when I can, I enjoy doing it. It really bugged me when that guy being swarmed by mobs stopped fighting when I tried to help him, though. Im open to the possibilty I could be totally wrong. Maybe he was testing something in combat. Maybe he was recording a funny video montage of himself getting stomped by hordes of angry zombies. I was annoyed at the time, and vented my frustration. Like you're expressing you're frustration with me, right now. Its kinda cathartic, right?

jrgray93 · August 2014

There's a lot of rude players out there. I do my best to play MMOs the way I drive; work with the other people, not against them. That is save for the rare occasion when somebody does something so obviously inconsiderate that I intentionally prevent them from getting in the lane they wa- I mean I let them die instead of healing them.

I kind of felt like a jerk yesterday while I was leveling skills on the vampires in Coldharbour. I was pulling 10-16 at a time and not exactly saving many for other people xD

Durham · August 2014

The other day i noticed Columbine and ore next to 4 mobs .. I go in for the kill to get the two items...I noticd a guy on a fast horse come up.. He swoops in and takes the Columbine and finishes the ore right as im finishing... He says thanks bud and leaves.... lol

kassandratheclericb14_ESO · August 2014

Yes...the OP vented some frustration in a pretty polite manner. If you don't agree or have nothing to add to the conversation is it necessary to say they are wrong, misinformed, etc etc?

No one has to disagree here. I am just happy when someone puts some thought into a post and isn't here going, "this game suxs!"

So OP...I feel you pain. I would never run off after you saved me and usually I remember to say thanks. All the mats are yours.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · August 2014

Yeah though I walk through the dungeon of death, I fear no evil, because I am the meanest SOB in the dungeon.

Elsonso · August 2014

KariTR wrote: »

It was a relatively tough dolmen for two...storm atronachs kept spawning, and he more or less left me to it while he grabbed pinions. I got ticked off when he grabbed the third so placed myself at the last pinion, thinking he would get the message and I continued to fight

Other than needing to grab the pinions to release the anchor, have I missed something special about them? Or, was the point that he left you to do the anchor while he ran around and stayed out of trouble?

Royalroacho wrote: »

Ahh. I kinda feel better now. And I didnt get my account banned for mercilessly haranguing someone in chat

It is never too late!