Oh yeah, i just love that.
But as always, there are some trolls and griefers who ruin everything.

For example. Right now on EU server, Aldmeri faction side in the Devon's Watch city merchant was claimed by Ebonpact players thru abusing of Multifaction guild (it is then you have players from different factions in the same guild).

This merchant now stay there and sell nothing.

killedbyping wrote: »

Oh yeah, i just love that.
But as always, there are some trolls and griefers who ruin everything.

For example. Right now on EU server, Aldmeri faction side in the Devon's Watch city merchant was claimed by Ebonpact players thru abusing of Multifaction guild (it is then you have players from different factions in the same guild).

This merchant now stay there and sell nothing.

I'd report it to ZOS and have them investigate it.... sounds like using the system to grief players to me.

Badh0rse wrote: »

I feel a little ashamed to admit this but after all the arguments I had in favor of this system I hate it. So to anyone who was opposed to me on this ... I concede ... you were right ..... this guild auction house thing sucks. In theory I liked it .... then I went to the auction house to look for something ... you know a 10 min trip to the auction house. I spent over 2 damn hours looking for 1 item in so many stores .. it was insane and a waste of my time. I will never use them again and I pray to all the video game gods that they take this travesty out of the game and put a real AH.

edit: I tend to be grouchy in the morning .. I mean no disrespect to those who like it .. I just do not.

There.... There... *pats on back*

The system was broken to begin with. ZOS just has some crazy idea in their mind that they're actually going to get this system to work (which it won't). I never even thought of the Cross-Faction guilds, that's funny though. Take that you non-AH ***! You eat your half assed Guild Kiosk mistake, and eat ALL of it!

I like the idea of kiosks but it would certainly be more convenient to have everything that is for sale available at each kiosk instead of spreading out the merchandise by guild.

Tabbycat wrote: »

I like the idea of kiosks but it would certainly be more convenient to have everything that is for sale available at each kiosk instead of spreading out the merchandise by guild.

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LoL...because time-sink of course, *nods.

Humor wrote: »

Badh0rse wrote: »

I feel a little ashamed to admit this but after all the arguments I had in favor of this system I hate it. So to anyone who was opposed to me on this ... I concede ... you were right ..... this guild auction house thing sucks. In theory I liked it .... then I went to the auction house to look for something ... you know a 10 min trip to the auction house. I spent over 2 damn hours looking for 1 item in so many stores .. it was insane and a waste of my time. I will never use them again and I pray to all the video game gods that they take this travesty out of the game and put a real AH.

edit: I tend to be grouchy in the morning .. I mean no disrespect to those who like it .. I just do not.

There.... There... *pats on back*

The system was broken to begin with. ZOS just has some crazy idea in their mind that they're actually going to get this system to work (which it won't). I never even thought of the Cross-Faction guilds, that's funny though. Take that you non-AH ***! You eat your half assed Guild Kiosk mistake, and eat ALL of it!

Oh god .... I just drooled coffee all over me laughing .. funny stuff! I then did it again when i tried to imgaine if the real world just had buildings called "STORE" and we all had to just roam them to see what was in them!

"Did you get my new bike Dad?" Asked Billy with a gleam in his eye.
"No son all I found was a bunch of penny candy in every store I went in and I spent hours looking." exhausted and tired the father added "Don't worry though, I can check thirty stores tomorrow."
With a tear in his eye Billy whines "But when will we have fun?"
Shoulders slumped "I don't know son ... I just don't know."

The issue with the new system however is, that non guild members cant contribute to the economy.

If you want to sell you still need to use the chat or join a guild

What we need are player shops or the ability to sell at guild stores for a fee.

SWG had one of the BEST trading/crafting systems of any game, EVAH!

Badh0rse wrote: »

I feel a little ashamed to admit this but after all the arguments I had in favor of this system I hate it. So to anyone who was opposed to me on this ... I concede ... you were right ..... this guild auction house thing sucks. In theory I liked it .... then I went to the auction house to look for something ... you know a 10 min trip to the auction house. I spent over 2 damn hours looking for 1 item in so many stores .. it was insane and a waste of my time. I will never use them again and I pray to all the video game gods that they take this travesty out of the game and put a real AH.

edit: I tend to be grouchy in the morning .. I mean no disrespect to those who like it .. I just do not.

I'd rather have an auction house, but the problem that you had really isn't an issue with the kiosks or the new guild stores.

The root cause of many of these issues is the complete lack of a functional interface for the stores. As you said, it takes entirely too long to find a single item and there are no shortcuts other than a few addons, which still take quite a long time to use.

A simple search function would go a long way to making these stores more usable.

Badh0rse wrote: »

Humor wrote: »

Badh0rse wrote: »

I feel a little ashamed to admit this but after all the arguments I had in favor of this system I hate it. So to anyone who was opposed to me on this ... I concede ... you were right ..... this guild auction house thing sucks. In theory I liked it .... then I went to the auction house to look for something ... you know a 10 min trip to the auction house. I spent over 2 damn hours looking for 1 item in so many stores .. it was insane and a waste of my time. I will never use them again and I pray to all the video game gods that they take this travesty out of the game and put a real AH.

edit: I tend to be grouchy in the morning .. I mean no disrespect to those who like it .. I just do not.

There.... There... *pats on back*

The system was broken to begin with. ZOS just has some crazy idea in their mind that they're actually going to get this system to work (which it won't). I never even thought of the Cross-Faction guilds, that's funny though. Take that you non-AH ***! You eat your half assed Guild Kiosk mistake, and eat ALL of it!

Oh god .... I just drooled coffee all over me laughing .. funny stuff! I then did it again when i tried to imgaine if the real world just had buildings called "STORE" and we all had to just roam them to see what was in them!

"Did you get my new bike Dad?" Asked Billy with a gleam in his eye.
"No son all I found was a bunch of penny candy in every store I went in and I spent hours looking." exhausted and tired the father added "Don't worry though, I can check thirty stores tomorrow."
With a tear in his eye Billy whines "But when will we have fun?"
Shoulders slumped "I don't know son ... I just don't know."

So what you're saying is basically Walmart is an auction house and guild kiosks are a flea-market.

I oppose global auction houses, which aren't really even auction houses anymore.

I also oppose global player mail systems, but that is just a diversion.

One of the things I hate about the global stores, and why I have largely stopped using them, is that to some people it is the game. That is the reason they play the game and all they really want is to be the highest "level" auctioneer on the server. Most of the time when I want something from the global store I end up having to pay whatever prices these people have set. When I do sell stuff to pick up some money, I am not selling to the people who need it. More often than not I find it easier to price it so that the professional auction house people will buy it.

In ESO, a global store makes even less sense given the current war. Guilds can have members of any alliance, and players can be in all alliances, so it really makes no logical sense to have three global stores, one for each alliance. Yet, having a single global store open to all alliances makes no more sense, other than as a pure player artifact designed to be the game for the players I mentioned above.

(Don't get me started on the whole concept of Alliance affiliated guilds with enemy characters active in them. It is something I had hoped they would address in update 3, but I guess they don't see that as a conflict of interest at the world level.)

The last reason that am opposed to a global store in ESO is that I simply do not trust the developers. They have a mixed concept of game vs meta-game in ESO. Meta-game things are artifacts that the game implements that are not part of the game world, like the mail system, chat system, and friends system. The current guild system is part of the meta-game since it is mostly rooted in the "G" key. The guild store is a meta-game artifact implemented through the nearest banker, or the kiosk if your guild has one. They would make the global store linked to the banker because it would drive people nuts to have to walk between the bank person and the global store person. There are already too many people standing around the banker doing inventory management. A global store would really overload the banks. The only way to save the banks and implement a global store would be to make it a key you can press from anywhere.

The guild kiosks do a couple things right.

1) They get people out of the bank. You can put stuff into the store from the bank, but to use the guild store as a non-guild consumer, it is necessary to go to one.

2) They provide another reason for guilds and something for them to do. It is now possible in ESO to create a real trading guild that can accomplish something and establish a brand name.

3) It is impossible, or at least a serious challenge, to play the Elder Store Online game with the intent of making it rich by controlling the prices. There are too many outlets and too many inventories to control. There will never be an Undermine Journal for ESO.

4) It is now possible to have an economy that exists on more than paper. Daggerfall can have a separate economy from Wayrest, with different prices and inventory. Guilds, and sellers, now have an added dimension that does not exist in the global store, the local economy.

I seriously believe that what ESO has done is the next step in the evolution of the "Global Auction House".

Hmm.....i'm thinking the system is flawed. Ran thru loads of vendors today, most were empty and the ones that had items....well lol. Just over priced junk.
Seriously I don't want to buy normal Crafting style stones....If I ever needed them I would just get them from the npc's in every town.

Where are the purple armours? the special foods? the raw materials?
Just lists of 1 item of junk after another being sold by guilds.

I now feel persecuted because i'm not in a guild and sell my stuff 1 to 1 via chat.
Where is my stall??? I could fill it with worthwhile stuff that players actually need while hunting not this junk.....there's enough of that in the containers they are getting it from...

If I come across one of these kiosks I'll have a look at it, but I can't use them to sell as I have no interest in joining guilds, even less than before now that I have no means of knowing which guilds will actually be able to market their wares properly from one week to the next. I'll continue to sell the stuff I don't need to NPC merchants and rely on my crafting skills to get the stuff I do need.

The game will end up with some form of auction house I'm sure, and these kiosks bring that day nearer, they're just another symptom of a broken trading system and, it would appear, one that is already open to abuse.

Anastasia wrote: »

Vuron wrote: »

Badh0rse wrote: »

I feel a little ashamed to admit this but after all the arguments I had in favor of this system I hate it. So to anyone who was opposed to me on this ... I concede ... you were right ..... this guild auction house thing sucks. In theory I liked it .... then I went to the auction house to look for something ... you know a 10 min trip to the auction house. I spent over 2 damn hours looking for 1 item in so many stores .. it was insane and a waste of my time. I will never use them again and I pray to all the video game gods that they take this travesty out of the game and put a real AH.

edit: I tend to be grouchy in the morning .. I mean no disrespect to those who like it .. I just do not.

I'd rather have an auction house, but the problem that you had really isn't an issue with the kiosks or the new guild stores.

The root cause of many of these issues is the complete lack of a functional interface for the stores. As you said, it takes entirely too long to find a single item and there are no shortcuts other than a few addons, which still take quite a long time to use.

A simple search function would go a long way to making these stores more usable.

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This is all an interesting convo, but quite sure ZOS is aware of "it takes entirely too long"...it is designed this way as a time sink. A very typical facet within MMO's.

I can't believe that having to look through page after page, hoping you don't get kicked for spamming by hitting the next page button too fast, quitting out, going to the next guild (x5), looking for the same item again, remembering which store had the best price, going back to that store and going through page after page again was purposely designed as a time sink.

This would be a worse time sink than having to camp for a week in EQ2, doing nothing but staring at the same location while waiting on a rock to spawn to start a heritage quest.