I'm also heavily disappointed with this change. I spent months doin these trials and completing most of the sets. Yes, there was much frustration about untradable duplicates that I ended up deconstructing on my alts. However, when I did get the final missing pieces of a set, I was ecstatic. I can't imagine feeling that way about tradable loot.

Now everyone will have every set in about a week, wtf!!! And no, farming gold for those sets is not an achievement. Please don't turn this into a pay to win game. The endgame is already very slim with the poor veteran dungeon loot and only 2 ten minute raids. It's obvious this game is centered around the casual crowd but you can't keep putting down the more dedicated raiders like that. The incentive of farming these trials will be saturated in no time.

What ZOS should have done is make the trial loot not only BoP but also rare/exclusive, meaning you can't get the same item twice, unless you drop the first one. That way you would get a new piece every time you complete a trial.

But wearing trial gear without completing any trial is just flat out wrong. I apply the same standard to PVP gear as well. It should only be available to those who earned it through PVP. Making every reward buyable with gold takes away much of the incentive to play the game. Please, Zenimax, don't take the game too far down the casual pay2win road

BoE is awesome ... some people have a life away from their pc and don't have the time to "earn" every piece they want. Even though you could say they "earned" it by making and paying gold for it ..... So sick of people who have the luxury of playing games all damn day calling those who don't scrubs. Too bad we can't all be kids or at the very least have none ... and probably no job .... just play games all day and night and be superior in a false world.... WINNING

Laura wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

Hi,

i am a little bit confused. Why is BOE so bad? You can trade the Piece of Equip over your Bank betweenn your Characters or sell it i mean, or not?

Ah now i understand this, you mean it have to be BOP so only the People who does this Content can wear it. Hm then we should forbidden the Twinks in your Account to wear this Armor too, because you dont have done this Content with them. Same Logic.

I understand your Idea, i know this System because other MMORPGs do this too but i don`t really like this. Its like :*My House, my Boat, my Wife* and whats your Status?

Why, i don`t like it. It is more interesting if you can trade or sell more really good Equip from Content or Crafting. It gives the Game more Options, not only the *You must do this Content, obey the Guild or you can go Home* Feeling.

But yes, i can understand the Motivation to get something Special. I hunt Equip like Recipes too and love to have something unique. But for me it is ok, if a rare Item can be sold or trade. So i can decide to stay with the unique Equip or make some Gold to Support my Characters. More Options, you see.

But i can understand the Motivation to get something unique. I think Titles or Costumes are the Way to go. Costumes should be BOP, Titles can`t be sold and hey, you are unique too.

MFG Murmeltier

it isn't a new thing. UO and EQ did it - they added NO DROP items later because it caused problems. People spent all there time buying BIS items then just sort of quitting instead of doing the content. If the devs spend all this time making this content there should be a reason to go there. Even today there is one server on EQ that has everything BoE and it is called the merchants server because nobody does anything but haggle.

More recent Neverwinter did this and 80% of people playing the game sat around the auction house getting this stuff. They changed it rather quickly because of the problems it was causing.

The thing is it will be extremely EXTREMELY exacerbated in this game because every time you kill the boss EVERYONE GETS AN ITEM. these items will FLOOD the market in absolutely no time and then there will be no reason to do them.

Why do people not do V-CoH? because there is no gear there to get.

It sounds fine on paper but it causes issues. Why repeat the same mistakes of the past.

It's very sad to see. i am reading all these people trying to defend this decision and none of them will be here in another 4 to 6 weeks. You are absolutely correct Laura. this type of loot system only works in Sand box games where there is no hard PVE content and has Gear degredation like SWG. where you constantly need to replace your gear due to it dieing.

I have no idea why they chose the itemization design they did. It is completely chasing of the theme park MMO player. People arguing for this obvioulsy have not played MMOs as veteran players. when i say veteran i mean staying consecutively subbed to one MMO for 3 years plus with out lapsing and playing regularly. They have completely devalued their group content, VR dungeons,Group delves,and Trials. there is no value to doing them, you can craft better in 90 seconds. it makes no sense when stacked up to this VR system. they make it this massive hard slog to reach end game then hand everything to you. it's eating itself and many many Veteran MMO players have quit because of this.

The game design makes no sense the VR system chases the causal off , and the End game mechanics and itemization chases of the dedicated Veteran player. the game is full of imbalances , exploits and broken features and builds. this is a design is a choice not a bug and that's what baffles me. In all honesty its looking like this game is headed for freemium . I would prefer the foodstamp method of gear aquistion which i absolutely hate. But this , this was retention suicide

zbtiqua wrote: »

My guild Da Funk just cleared AA Hardmode only to find that the tier 2 loot is all BOE- Bind on Equip. Why would you make the best raid loot in the game Bind on Equip?

Are you on drugs Zenimax?

http://i.imgur.com/rJMMoIG.jpg

More info here: http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2cn0ys/news_aa_hardmode_worlds_first_kill/

They are on that since they made DK and Vampire. Still on that i guess.

nm

I quit reading after the first page but if it is BoP then people would just sell runs for gear instead of the gear. I do not care either way but it annoys the hell out of me all the spam that selling "raid" gear or runs causes(like in EQ2).

Well, I did not read all the comments but from what I have seen is that both sides were offended that the other people want to have their own preferences and have their way.

I have not done any trial yet, so I can't really say too much but what I know is that as long as people have this "LFM LA+Staff or GTFO, no X and Y class" attitude, this BoE system is okay. I am a healer so I go to dungeons with that gear of course but I would hate if I never got a party just because I do not have a FotM build.

magnusnet wrote: »

Badh0rse wrote: »

BoE is awesome ... some people have a life away from their pc and don't have the time to "earn" every piece they want. Even though you could say they "earned" it by making and paying gold for it ..... So sick of people who have the luxury of playing games all damn day calling those who don't scrubs. Too bad we can't all be kids or at the very least have none ... and probably no job .... just play games all day and night and be superior in a false world.... WINNING

I smell a lot of frustration, then again it's not a reason to insult people that put 100% of their game time into clearing hard content (since it's those same people you will be buying the sets from). Most of the people I raid with are well over 18y/old, have a life, a well paid job and raid during nights from 8h30 to 11h00 without any obligation to be there or even being there every time of the week. If you rather spend your gametime doing other things it's your choice but you have no right to criticize people who put time & effort into clearing content some might say you're too lazy to do since no matter how many few hours you might invest in the game, if you put your mind to a goal, there is nothing stoping you from achieving it, except yourself.

Yep, you are right. I am too lazy to play a video game too much ...... get real. I can do nothing but work towards the goal of the gear I want and I will never EVER get all the gear I want before new stuff comes out. Reality and time constraints are a real problem for most people who don't live in their moms basement. I am fine never getting that best set ..... but I should not be punished with crap gear for having a real life. I think we just need to take the "elites" and "casuals" both into consideration.

edit: Yes, you smell frustration ..... as the first comment I wrote said: Sick of people with the LUXURY of enough time to earn everything they want in the game treating those who don't like a second class citizen. You get everything your way and still want to crap all over the less fortunate. Well gee now that I put it that way .. you are right ... I am just terrible and lazy for not having the time.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

Hi,

i am a little bit confused. Why is BOE so bad? You can trade the Piece of Equip over your Bank betweenn your Characters or sell it i mean, or not?

Ah now i understand this, you mean it have to be BOP so only the People who does this Content can wear it. Hm then we should forbidden the Twinks in your Account to wear this Armor too, because you dont have done this Content with them. Same Logic.

I understand your Idea, i know this System because other MMORPGs do this too but i don`t really like this. Its like :*My House, my Boat, my Wife* and whats your Status?

Why, i don`t like it. It is more interesting if you can trade or sell more really good Equip from Content or Crafting. It gives the Game more Options, not only the *You must do this Content, obey the Guild or you can go Home* Feeling.

But yes, i can understand the Motivation to get something Special. I hunt Equip like Recipes too and love to have something unique. But for me it is ok, if a rare Item can be sold or trade. So i can decide to stay with the unique Equip or make some Gold to Support my Characters. More Options, you see.

But i can understand the Motivation to get something unique. I think Titles or Costumes are the Way to go. Costumes should be BOP, Titles can`t be sold and hey, you are unique too.

MFG Murmeltier

it isn't a new thing. UO and EQ did it - they added NO DROP items later because it caused problems. People spent all there time buying BIS items then just sort of quitting instead of doing the content. If the devs spend all this time making this content there should be a reason to go there. Even today there is one server on EQ that has everything BoE and it is called the merchants server because nobody does anything but haggle.

More recent Neverwinter did this and 80% of people playing the game sat around the auction house getting this stuff. They changed it rather quickly because of the problems it was causing.

The thing is it will be extremely EXTREMELY exacerbated in this game because every time you kill the boss EVERYONE GETS AN ITEM. these items will FLOOD the market in absolutely no time and then there will be no reason to do them.

Why do people not do V-CoH? because there is no gear there to get.

It sounds fine on paper but it causes issues. Why repeat the same mistakes of the past.

It's very sad to see. i am reading all these people trying to defend this decision and none of them will be here in another 4 to 6 weeks. You are absolutely correct Laura. this type of loot system only works in Sand box games where there is no hard PVE content and has Gear degredation like SWG. where you constantly need to replace your gear due to it dieing.

I have no idea why they chose the itemization design they did. It is completely chasing of the theme park MMO player. People arguing for this obvioulsy have not played MMOs as veteran players. when i say veteran i mean staying consecutively subbed to one MMO for 3 years plus with out lapsing and playing regularly. They have completely devalued their group content, VR dungeons,Group delves,and Trials. there is no value to doing them, you can craft better in 90 seconds. it makes no sense when stacked up to this VR system. they make it this massive hard slog to reach end game then hand everything to you. it's eating itself and many many Veteran MMO players have quit because of this.

The game design makes no sense the VR system chases the causal off , and the End game mechanics and itemization chases of the dedicated Veteran player. the game is full of imbalances , exploits and broken features and builds. this is a design is a choice not a bug and that's what baffles me. In all honesty its looking like this game is headed for freemium . I would prefer the foodstamp method of gear aquistion which i absolutely hate. But this , this was retention suicide

Some very good points made. That exceptionally long questing grind to reach endgame to then just have everything handed to you is idiotic. It would have been less of an affront to make these changes to the Craglorn trial sets after the release of a new adventure zone with new raid gear. Why already destroy that little bit of gear progression we have right now?

I don't see why anybody is complaining. BoE gear rules. If you don't need it, you can just sell it for a ton of gold. Also, it's not pay to win. Buying good gear doesn't mean you're good, and there will be a play difference if that's the case. and you'll have the achievement, all you have to do is link it to prove your worth. Problem solved

DDuke wrote: »

I can't believe people are actually defending this change (or bug, hopefully).

Just like in real life, people enjoy achieving things. If someone was able to achieve these things just by visiting a gold seller website or getting lucky with motifs/purple VR recipes, that'd be just spitting in the face of everyone who put in effort to get the gear.

Some things are meant to be "difficult" to achieve (the fact that the "Hardmodes" were cleared on the first day is another matter concerning me). If you aren't able to achieve them, you might want to figure out how to improve your game or perhaps just focus on other things (crafted gear is there for you).

Bah, this is just greedy hoarder mentality. Every time I do a trial I ask in guild if anyone wants the stuff I got. Usually almost nobody does: they also do the trial so they got a lot of stuff too.
So I just give it away when I can. In example, I had a guy craft me a maple white ice staff with a trait I missed and I gave him the purple staff I got from AA 1 hour earlier.

That's it, imo this is all about self important people making up a fuss for completing "raiding" content which is so easy that proper PvE raiding games would put it in "heroics" for randoms.

whsprwind wrote: »

If you watch Quake Con again closely, you will see that one of the speakers hinted that equipment may possibly be buyable directly from NPCs. (Refer to the part onitem chase)

I think that's a good option. Loot will be BoP, but buyable from NPCs. That way there is no risk of overflooding the market and making items worthless.

They will then have to set an optimum price that's expensive enough (like 100k a piece) that would encourage people to do the trials. That, or bite the bullet and pay the price.

another option is the wellfare epic. like all other theme parks do. Daily quests that give you your foodstamps . you save up your foodstamps by actually doing the content, then you buy the pieces you need. i hate the system but this , this is horrible. chinese gold farmers are cheering right now.

What is the reason someone would want non-bind on equip? Are your other characters unable to use it? I don't see a practical reason beyond that for wanting gear unbinded.... at least not any reason that is significant.