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✭tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »BoP is, was and will ever be bulls-hit. (if you still need it play any of the mmos out there relying on it)
good step ZOS.
which one have you tried that still doesn't do it? The ones I played all switched to BoP because of the serious issues that it caused. I'll wait.
What issues has it caused that you know of?
I, personally, hate BoP and think it is one of the worst mechanics currently in games. It just doesn't make sense to loot an item after doing the hardest thing in the game and it ends up being a tank piece for a DPS, a decent item that you can't use because it will break a current set, or even worse, it's an item that the guildie standing right next to you has been trying to get for a month and you have to look at them with sad eyes while you deconstruct it for mats.
BoP makes the vast majority of these items worthless, and by extension makes most of the content meaningless. The lack of loot and rewards in this game is one of the reasons that people stopped doing trials and dungeons in the first place. What is the point of all this new loot if the only thing you can ever do with it is deconstruct it for mats? Why not just give away crafting mats as the reward for every dungeon.
I, and others, have explained ad nauseam exactly what issues it has caused. I creates a stagnant grouping and raiding environment of people who don't actually play the game. Part of the fun of repeating content is hoping that what you were looking for drops next time you run it it creates a nice little rush.
It has nothing to do with keeping it from people as others have said there is nothing particularly hard about any pve in this game. Really - if a group has already downed the boss its not hard. (hel ra still may be)
The point of BoP is to get people actually in there and playing the game. Every other game knows this and some of them learned the hard way. Its just a shame that this game will have to learn the hard way too.
Who is going to want to pug anymore if what they can get is right there on the auction house and will be almost free in a month or two when the gear is flooded.
The main problem is that this will be EXTREMELY exacerbated in this game because of three reasons
A.) there are no lockout timers
B.) 12 pieces of loot are created every kill.
C.) it can be cleared QUICKLY
this means that this gear will be flooding into the market so fast that literally everyone in the game will be wearing the exact same thing without any effort in no time flat.
This.tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »BoP is, was and will ever be bulls-hit. (if you still need it play any of the mmos out there relying on it)
good step ZOS.
which one have you tried that still doesn't do it? The ones I played all switched to BoP because of the serious issues that it caused. I'll wait.
What issues has it caused that you know of?
I, personally, hate BoP and think it is one of the worst mechanics currently in games. It just doesn't make sense to loot an item after doing the hardest thing in the game and it ends up being a tank piece for a DPS, a decent item that you can't use because it will break a current set, or even worse, it's an item that the guildie standing right next to you has been trying to get for a month and you have to look at them with sad eyes while you deconstruct it for mats.
BoP makes the vast majority of these items worthless, and by extension makes most of the content meaningless. The lack of loot and rewards in this game is one of the reasons that people stopped doing trials and dungeons in the first place. What is the point of all this new loot if the only thing you can ever do with it is deconstruct it for mats? Why not just give away crafting mats as the reward for every dungeon.
I, and others, have explained ad nauseam exactly what issues it has caused. I creates a stagnant grouping and raiding environment of people who don't actually play the game. Part of the fun of repeating content is hoping that what you were looking for drops next time you run it it creates a nice little rush.
It has nothing to do with keeping it from people as others have said there is nothing particularly hard about any pve in this game. Really - if a group has already downed the boss its not hard. (hel ra still may be)
The point of BoP is to get people actually in there and playing the game. Every other game knows this and some of them learned the hard way. Its just a shame that this game will have to learn the hard way too.
Who is going to want to pug anymore if what they can get is right there on the auction house and will be almost free in a month or two when the gear is flooded.
The main problem is that this will be EXTREMELY exacerbated in this game because of three reasons
A.) there are no lockout timers
B.) 12 pieces of loot are created every kill.
C.) it can be cleared QUICKLY
this means that this gear will be flooding into the market so fast that literally everyone in the game will be wearing the exact same thing without any effort in no time flat.
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Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭Looks like a lot of garbage. My pvp gear is better than that. Zero point to do pve other than loregasm."Extremely exacerbated"....this a legitimate adverb clause?=)
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✭People really are strange. As if having some gear and showing off to others AKA Bragging is equal to achievment.
The only true achievment is, that you did it. Thats it. That should feel okay. Bragging makes people jealous and some people tend to love this. I hope true achievment in this game is succesfully completing something really hard not the gear it gives.
BOE is Best, if you want gear, you buy it. it is also that BOP items cannot be traded to crafters who can temper them to even better piece of difital item.>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<2 -
Mahogany✭✭✭Laura wins.
This is a legitimate problem. Once the excitement of being able to buy trials gear wears off we can all sit around in Belkarth fully geared with our thumbs up our asses. You certainly won't be running AA or Hel Ra.
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Raash✭✭✭✭People really are strange. As if having some gear and showing off to others AKA Bragging is equal to achievment.
The only true achievment is, that you did it. Thats it. That should feel okay. Bragging makes people jealous and some people tend to love this. I hope true achievment in this game is succesfully completing something really hard not the gear it gives.
BOE is Best, if you want gear, you buy it. it is also that BOP items cannot be traded to crafters who can temper them to even better piece of difital item.
in other words: "I want it mom and I - WANT - IT- NOW!!"
I say no, you should learn that some things need some working to get. You just cant stand the thought of it, can you?4 -
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✭Illuvatarr wrote: »Looks like a lot of garbage. My pvp gear is better than that. Zero point to do pve other than loregasm."Extremely exacerbated"....this a legitimate adverb clause?=)
I generally find when people attack grammar its because they have no real rebuttal which you obviously don't.Edited by Laura on August 5, 2014 4:11PM4 -
Kraen✭✭✭I don´t understand how can anyone defend this change.
It looks like you all want to sit in Belkarth in Trial gear and do nothing while complaining you have nothing to do.Finneas of Baby Face Bananas
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arkansas_ESO wrote: »If the teir two gear is supposed to "look different" than normal gear, it should be bound... otherwise people can just buy the look. It should be unique to those who EARNED it.
Let's say I bought BOE trial gear from somebody that ran trials for 50k (no clue if that's what they're going for, just an example number.) I still earned that gear by earning the gold I used to pay for it. Just because I didn't run trials to get it doesn't mean I didn't earn it. I might have crafted my ass off for a week to get the gold to buy it.
Honestly, I'm all for BOE trial gear. It allows people to earn trial gear through gameplay that isn't running trials over and over, and gives those who do run trials a way to make good gold. It's no different than me, a PVEer, buying PVP gear from a PVPer.
Right! What if this is a means to give trial runners a way to make good money? You get your choice sets, sell what you dont want. That was always a prob with other MMO's. Raiders would have to stop raiding to make money. Now you're making money while raiding. Others should stop complaining.
Addition: Get/sell your other guildies the gear you want to sell than. Kick the people in your guild who sell outside. Make your "team" better. There are all kinds of things you could implement to make a raiding guild keep it in house, and make yourselves better in the process.Edited by ThoradinBloodfire on August 5, 2014 4:35PMThere is only one god and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death: “Not today...”
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Mahogany✭✭✭ThoradinBloodfire wrote: »Right! What if this is a means to give trial runners a way to make good money? You get your choice sets, sell what you dont want. That was always a prob with other MMO's. Raiders would have to stop raiding to make money. Now you're making money while raiding. Others should stop complaining.
Except for basic supply/demand dynamics. We'll make some decent gold on this for the first week or so, but soon these sets will be a dime a dozen. AA and Hel Ra are exceptionally easy to complete with even a halfway competent group. Once the market is flooded there won't be much incentive to continue running trials, which will significantly hurt the endgame PVE population (which is already weak as it is).8 -
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✭dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »BoP is, was and will ever be bulls-hit. (if you still need it play any of the mmos out there relying on it)
good step ZOS.
which one have you tried that still doesn't do it? The ones I played all switched to BoP because of the serious issues that it caused. I'll wait.
What issues has it caused that you know of?
I, personally, hate BoP and think it is one of the worst mechanics currently in games. It just doesn't make sense to loot an item after doing the hardest thing in the game and it ends up being a tank piece for a DPS, a decent item that you can't use because it will break a current set, or even worse, it's an item that the guildie standing right next to you has been trying to get for a month and you have to look at them with sad eyes while you deconstruct it for mats.
BoP makes the vast majority of these items worthless, and by extension makes most of the content meaningless. The lack of loot and rewards in this game is one of the reasons that people stopped doing trials and dungeons in the first place. What is the point of all this new loot if the only thing you can ever do with it is deconstruct it for mats? Why not just give away crafting mats as the reward for every dungeon.
You missed the point.They are awesome and pro.
They are able to do a pve in the hardest hardcore pve game, teso, and they don't want that others can wear the same pixels.
Thats true, its kind of a dumb thing to do. Who could possible come up with the horrible idea that you actually have to play the games content to get good loot when its possible to just lol around and go to store and buy them for gold? i mean, its so much more convinient and fair to everyone?
How do you think people get that gold?
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Raash✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »BoP is, was and will ever be bulls-hit. (if you still need it play any of the mmos out there relying on it)
good step ZOS.
which one have you tried that still doesn't do it? The ones I played all switched to BoP because of the serious issues that it caused. I'll wait.
What issues has it caused that you know of?
I, personally, hate BoP and think it is one of the worst mechanics currently in games. It just doesn't make sense to loot an item after doing the hardest thing in the game and it ends up being a tank piece for a DPS, a decent item that you can't use because it will break a current set, or even worse, it's an item that the guildie standing right next to you has been trying to get for a month and you have to look at them with sad eyes while you deconstruct it for mats.
BoP makes the vast majority of these items worthless, and by extension makes most of the content meaningless. The lack of loot and rewards in this game is one of the reasons that people stopped doing trials and dungeons in the first place. What is the point of all this new loot if the only thing you can ever do with it is deconstruct it for mats? Why not just give away crafting mats as the reward for every dungeon.
You missed the point.They are awesome and pro.
They are able to do a pve in the hardest hardcore pve game, teso, and they don't want that others can wear the same pixels.
Thats true, its kind of a dumb thing to do. Who could possible come up with the horrible idea that you actually have to play the games content to get good loot when its possible to just lol around and go to store and buy them for gold? i mean, its so much more convinient and fair to everyone?
How do you think people get that gold?
Oh there are number of ways to get gold. I got my gold from anomaly grind & deconstructing all the hundreds of epics I got and sold the crafting tempers. How did you get yours?
And for the sake of the argument (I believe its wasted time tho since i doubt you guys get it): In what way does my earned gold give me the right to buy top end raiding gear from a store again?4 -
Insignia91✭✭✭Bind on equip? Oh no it's the end of the world people can get my armor with gold /killself.
Seriously though get over it and go outside once in awhile.6 -
Raash✭✭✭✭Insignia91 wrote: »Bind on equip? Oh no it's the end of the world people can get my armor with gold /killself.
Seriously though get over it and go outside once in awhile.
and you should stop picking your nose and actually play the game and maybe get some nice items for yourself?2 -
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✭Insignia91 wrote: »Bind on equip? Oh no it's the end of the world people can get my armor with gold /killself.
Seriously though get over it and go outside once in awhile.
Oh the go outside cliche. Nice.
If you look at most people who are "hardcore" raiders now they are usually in shape and actually don't play a lot. Its been pretty much proven that being in shape and having an active life makes your twitch reflexes better (look at the best pvp streamers for example).
I log on for raids two days a week for two hours. The rest of the time I spend with my family and career. Most people I find that use this cliche (like my 13 year old nephew likes this one) are pretty sheltered. I think that means I'm pretty casual, I still think this is a big deal.
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I retract prior statements. I support BOP for end game stuff. I was thinking about how lame WoW would have been for me had i been able to buy anything i wanted. How even though i didn't think it would, it got lame with the buy a 90 toon. This essentially takes the challenge out of it, makes nothing special, and is everything i hated about PvP gear over there. That you could just buy it and not do the work to get it. Just decon, and sell the mats as others have said.
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"We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La."
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭ThoradinBloodfire wrote: »I retract prior statements. I support BOP for end game stuff. I was thinking about how lame WoW would have been for me had i been able to buy anything i wanted. How even though i didn't think it would, it got lame with the buy a 90 toon. This essentially takes the challenge out of it, makes nothing special, and is everything i hated about PvP gear over there. That you could just buy it and not do the work to get it. Just decon, and sell the mats as others have said.
Concise, descriptive awesome post Thoradin...
ZOS -- what WERE you thinking? @ZOS_GinaBruno or anyone on staff, a comment please??
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✭ThoradinBloodfire wrote: »I retract prior statements. I support BOP for end game stuff. I was thinking about how lame WoW would have been for me had i been able to buy anything i wanted. How even though i didn't think it would, it got lame with the buy a 90 toon. This essentially takes the challenge out of it, makes nothing special, and is everything i hated about PvP gear over there. That you could just buy it and not do the work to get it. Just decon, and sell the mats as others have said.
Exactly. I felt the same way you did while playing Neverwinter. I thought "wow I can just put everything I find up for sale and buy items I need"
well I did buy all the gear I needed, was able to skip two tiers of progression, and found little to no reason to repeat the end game. My friends faced this too and quit soon after. You will find most peoples experience with early Neverwinter to be the same. It would be WORSE in this game as I pointed out before because of how much loot each kill drops + no lockouts.
keep in mind its ALL trial gear not even just the hard mode stuff. ALL of it.Edited by Laura on August 5, 2014 5:57PM2 -
cracker81✭✭✭Boe is great. Why? When grind that gear and get all, then you sell. Achievement is you did and of course you get an achievement.2 -
Raash✭✭✭✭ThoradinBloodfire wrote: »I retract prior statements. I support BOP for end game stuff. I was thinking about how lame WoW would have been for me had i been able to buy anything i wanted. How even though i didn't think it would, it got lame with the buy a 90 toon. This essentially takes the challenge out of it, makes nothing special, and is everything i hated about PvP gear over there. That you could just buy it and not do the work to get it. Just decon, and sell the mats as others have said.
Cant agree more and I dont even touch raids myself. What I dont participate in I have no right too. Cant be easier then that really.4 -
I agree with the rest of your post, but these 3 points really are the crux of the issue... Its mind boggling that ZoS doesn't get this that this is why people hit V12, and are essentially bored unless they are pure pvp'ers.
The main problem is that this will be EXTREMELY exacerbated in this game because of three reasons
A.) there are no lockout timers
B.) 12 pieces of loot are created every kill.
C.) it can be cleared QUICKLY
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Having a few days(hell even 24 hours) lockout at least slows down the gear progression a bit and buys the devs time to come up with new content. And yes, 15 minutes instances are part of the problem also, along with high drop rates..
(Never mind that the whole bot problem earlier was based on camping public dungeon bosses b/c the loot continuously dropped from them each kill.. Should have had a timer on drops on them also.)
Also this doesn't even get into the whole mismanaged craglorn grind thing, which basically hurts the other players who want to work for their leveling get groups, etc.. If they had just slightly reduced the v1-v12 vet leveling curve and blended it into the 1-50 so the entire 1-60 was gradually longer (and also made pvp leveling more rewarding from the outset) craglorn tower/burial/shadow wouldn't be needed.
The point is that by making everything so easily attainable so fast, they are their own worst enemy when it comes to keeping players happy.Edited by mattlarsonmdl_ESO on August 5, 2014 6:21PM4 -
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✭@ZOS_GinaBruno is this an intended change or not? I still hold on to hope that it isn't because its not on the official patch notes. This argument may be moot if its not intended.
Its a pretty huge change not to be posted on the official patch notes.Edited by Laura on August 5, 2014 6:51PM0 -
Given the lack of an official response, I'm guessing it is working as intended. I could understand doing this once a higher level VR Trial and dungeon is released, but to allow selling of the highest tier of gear seems strange. Oh well. Its not as if there is any real endgame progression, so ultimately it probably doesn't matter. Just another poor design decision on top of other poor design decisions.0 -
Selodaoc✭✭✭People really are strange. As if having some gear and showing off to others AKA Bragging is equal to achievment.
The only true achievment is, that you did it. Thats it. That should feel okay. Bragging makes people jealous and some people tend to love this. I hope true achievment in this game is succesfully completing something really hard not the gear it gives.
BOE is Best, if you want gear, you buy it. it is also that BOP items cannot be traded to crafters who can temper them to even better piece of difital item.
Seeing people in hard to get gear in other games inspire me to get to the point where i can get it aswell, its something only the "mighty" can do. In mmos where i hve been among the first to get that hard to get raidset ive gotten alot of messages from others that thinks the same way and wants to as good as me so they can also get it. Its a way to inspire players to become better.1 -
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✭So it's OK for Cyrodiil gear to be BoE but not trial gear? Really?Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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zbtiqua✭✭✭ZOS Has confirmed that this is not intended, and that the Hard Mode loot at least will be changed to BOP. More info here:
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Dudegr✭my group last night after clearing we found the boe loot very interesting since we could all trade items with eachother to get what we need.I really hope this doesn't change...Edited by Dudegr on August 6, 2014 5:29AM1
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The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭ZOS Has confirmed that this is not intended, and that the Hard Mode loot at least will be changed to BOP. More info here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124067/known-issues-for-update-3/p1
Lame.
Hopefully normal mode loot will be BoE."Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event." ― Zurin Arctus, the Underking.Tragrim - How do I work this thing?
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[sarcmode]I don´t understand how can anyone defend this change.
It looks like you all want to sit in Belkarth in Trial gear and do nothing while complaining you have nothing to do.
your right but bop is not enough we must have lockout timer as well 10 days when doing one trial and 30 days for all trials if you are doing the other while the lockouttimer of the first one is running!!!!!!!!!!!!! otherwise we sit in Belkarth in Trial gear and do nothing while complaining you have nothing to do. [/sarcmode]
hope you get it...Edited by Tankqull on August 6, 2014 8:47AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭Only reason why games ever started with BOP is to work around chinese farmers selling top end gear and making real money that way... not because they cared so much about you and your achievement.
Anyway BOP > BOE.. I'd even prefer no "Bind" at all. Guess DAoC spoiled me in that way.
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