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Morticielle · August 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

i used all my stamina and all my magicka did all the damage i could as a nightblade duel wield, im vet 12 and the sorcerer was a vet 12. i was with 6 other people and we all stayed close together. that sorcerer did massive damage to us one at a time and when his health got low he simply cast a spell that made his health full instantly.
i was with a vet 8, a vet 10 and a few others that were about lv 45 to vet1.
complete imbalance in eso for the sorcerers and dragonights. it's rediculas.
that sorcerer killed all of us in under 30 seconds.

I highlighted the important parts.

And yes, you're right. It is ridiculous to stay together while a Sorc is bombing you into oblivion!

P.S.: Is Rediculas a brother of Legolas?

Morticielle · August 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

the only thing they really have going that COULD be called "op"(which I don't think this is) is bolt escape.

No Sir, it is not! Bolt Escape got nerfed two months back and therefore can't be op anymore.

Mumyo · August 2014

I blazing shield nightblades to death... didn't die to one for months now

but they can be very dangerous when im asleep. Sorcerers in my eyes are very strong and u surely need a different set of skills for them.

I was with a group of funny noobs yesterday and same thing happened to them with a dragonknightvampire and i healed the *** out of that group so they made it! but without me at least 9 people would have died in the aoe.

monden1980b16_ESO · August 2014

SVKFrankenstein wrote: »

I on the other hand think it has something to do with this .

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124290/so-are-people-just-exploding-now/p1

Something is seriously wrong with PvP right now

There was something wrong with PvP before patch already... it's just zerging (players fault) and using overpowered builds / ultimate spam (game design).

It has nothing to do with tactical combat, killing / being killed /surviving feels just random.

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

Morticielle wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

i used all my stamina and all my magicka did all the damage i could as a nightblade duel wield, im vet 12 and the sorcerer was a vet 12. i was with 6 other people and we all stayed close together. that sorcerer did massive damage to us one at a time and when his health got low he simply cast a spell that made his health full instantly.
i was with a vet 8, a vet 10 and a few others that were about lv 45 to vet1.
complete imbalance in eso for the sorcerers and dragonights. it's rediculas.
that sorcerer killed all of us in under 30 seconds.

I highlighted the important parts.

And yes, you're right. It is ridiculous to stay together while a Sorc is bombing you into oblivion!

P.S.: Is Rediculas a brother of Legolas?

+50 internets for you

olsborg · August 2014

Player ranks and Levels and whatever have very little With how good they are in cyrodiil. Its basicly up to the person behind the keyboard. Sometimes I can take out 5 People at once (im a sorc) and sometimes I can struggle With just 1. Sure it helps being v12 etc, but thats just the potential. If you cant fulfill that potential, it doesnt matter. The best thing you can take from loosing, is Learning how to not let that happen again:)

swamploard · August 2014

You all know that since 1.3 sorcs got some bugged dmg stacking bugg. they get higher dmg the longer they are in cyradill.

Saw a video with a sorc critting 7k dmg on 1 attack. due to the bugg.

Azarul · August 2014

I think the hardest thing to believe in the thread is that out of 7 of them none of them were a sorc to counter this so called OPness?

I think all classes are called OP by people who do not have experience playing that class. My first v12 is a DK and was always called OP. Now I am working on a sorcerer and have no problems with DK because I know all there tells. Mainly don't shoot the guy with the big flapping wings.

daswahnsinn · August 2014

I'm a DK tank, and in PVP I get killed by NBs and Temps more than anything. When I go up against a DK Sorc I have some issues, or a DK tank. I think it comes down to style and use of skills, buffs and crits. I'm always looking at builds and such to see how to maximize my own build.

Maulkin · August 2014

If I met that Sorc, I'd buy him beer...

He's probably reading this post and grinning from ear to ear

KBKB · August 2014

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »

You can't heal/shield and deal damage, so you was allowing him to deal damage... It's really simple, you don't allow him to deal damage by forcing him to heal/shield

This.

You can flail around all you like trying to keep yourself up or mow down groups of 7 that let you, but you cant do both.

KBKB · August 2014

Morticielle wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

the only thing they really have going that COULD be called "op"(which I don't think this is) is bolt escape.

No Sir, it is not! Bolt Escape got nerfed two months back and therefore can't be op anymore.

Running Warlock and Magnus 5/5 Feels a bit like the old days pre-nerf a lot of fun!

Baphomet · August 2014

If using immovable, lightning form, critical surge, pulsar, streak + batswarm, a 7 man group standing closely together makes a nice breakfast.

JackDaniell · August 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

i used all my stamina and all my magicka did all the damage i could as a nightblade duel wield, im vet 12 and the sorcerer was a vet 12. i was with 6 other people and we all stayed close together. that sorcerer did massive damage to us one at a time and when his health got low he simply cast a spell that made his health full instantly.
i was with a vet 8, a vet 10 and a few others that were about lv 45 to vet1.
complete imbalance in eso for the sorcerers and dragonights. it's rediculas.
that sorcerer killed all of us in under 30 seconds.

Hello, I would like to start by saying that people will give you no love on the forums, even if you have a legitimate complaint or issue.

In regards to your post I have a few things to say. Any class can win a 1v7, even against people that are not new to ESO. The skill ceiling in this game is very high, and a well built PvP build is more than capable of killing multiple opponents. All classes are good, when built and played well. Stating that their is one or two "master" classes is simply wrong. I have been fortunate to be able to play with and against some of the best PvP players in this game, and regardless of their class they can rock a small group if they know how and are built to do it.

Also when regarding PvP it is very easy to have a bad build. I don't say this because I think people are bad at making builds, I say this because making a build in ESO is not strait forward and unnecessarily complicated. Tooltips are very unclear, their is little to no explanation of what all the stats do, and many aspects of the game are not general knowledge. It takes a good amount of time to find out the many secretes that are hidden in ESO build crafting and most people who play in PvP do not know them. I am guessing that the sorc that killed you guys knows very well what he is doing, how he can be effective, and how the theory behind his play works. He is likely geared in a very specific way to allow him to do this as well (And when I say this I don't mean with legendary gear, the belief that legendary gear makes much difference at all when compared to green gear is a good example of how misleading interpretations of build crafting are).

Allot of planning goes into builds and the players behind them that do these things. The reason that they win these fights is not because their class is OP, it's in fact because the player themselves are OP. You unfortunately came by one of these players, and he did what he is built and prepared to do.

A few facts to reflect on:

- Veteran levels make very little difference in PvP. Vet 1 is nearly equal to Vet 12.
- Making your gear legendary does not make it much better, in fact it's almost wasteful. Your best off sticking to blues or purples and having multiple sets of gear to learn and play with.
- Playing allot of ESO will not make you good at the game if you don't understand the theory behind it.

Asgari · August 2014

Your group failed to throw down cc and heal the group and because of this you got REKT! It is not any sorcs fault or ZOS fault that your crew of misfits was unable to properly heal and control one player.

When not in active combat with the sorc you should have been either blocking or healing. While other cc the sorc to lose all their stam. Once the stam is gone from 2 rolls possibly 3 from a potion used you could have burned them down incredibly quick.

This is not from being a broken class or game. Its lack of skill from your groups behalf.

Oldtimer209 · August 2014

Could it have anything to do with this?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124637/fun-with-the-crazy-damage-scalating-bug/p1

Asgari · August 2014

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I am sorry to have ruined your day Hlaren.

Was this done by the mighty FENG&CO? If not the sorc must have been watching you play and picked up some of your skills.

Morticielle · August 2014

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

+50 internets for you

How much is this in Handkäs?

McCracken79 · August 2014

I am a V12 sorc and I do not know of any ability to do a full heal like the OP was saying, unless he was using Critical Surge like @Baphomet said above and had his Spell Crit above 50%. This allows for massive heals if he was doing AoE. I can wreck house one on one unless you're a Dragon Knight that's a vampire who is also Emperor. I can do okay with taking on two Veteran players at once but any more and i die quickly.

I fear nightblades the most however if they cast marked target on me I know it's coming so I Purge and block. If I get it off in time I usually come out on top. I would never attempt to take on 7 people at once being a sorc but I am no where near as good as some of the top sorcs are. They just amaze me sometimes.

This all comes down, like many others have said in this post, to L2P. If you are fighting a really good sorc do NOT stand on top of each other, spread out and for crying out loud use CC.

Annomaander_Rake · August 2014

and level 45 to vet 3 is like 7 days played time for the average player. thats still very new to the game. most of the time spent would be lvling/questing.not piping as you are underpowered. (don't say that ur not underpowered as a vet 3, we all know how good vet 3s taste)

Armitas · August 2014

+1 Jack Daniells for a constructive post instead of trolling the OP.

With so many broken things going on in the game right now I can't simply say that this was on your end. But if it was then I think the following would be appropriate.

Winning in pvp is not so much due to "skill" as if this were an archery tournament. Pointing your cross hairs or moving you character is pretty basic and the hit window is pretty large.

Winning in pvp is about knowledge and timely discernment. The more you know, and the more you are able to build upon that knowledge the more successful you will be.

For example you need to know that the players healing ward will heal him with the remaining strength of his bubble. You need to know that when the sorcs hands glow purple a shard is coming and you need to block. You need to know that when a DK has dragon wings come out of his back he will reflect your projectiles.

The other half is understanding your opponents actions, such as is he baiting, is he using environmental tactics, is he running low on resources, what is his strategy for this fight etc.

Being present as a veteran means very little. Being present with a deep knowledge of the classes, game mechanics, and skills and putting that knowledge into practice within every part of your build and gear is what makes a person successful. If it were a matter of skill, like archery, few would be robin hood, but it's a matter of knowledge which anyone can wield.

Some of the best places to learn that knowledge are...
Here on the forums
Tamriel foundry forums
"ESO Unraveled:" episodes on youtube
Other youtube videos

pitdemon_ESO · August 2014

Khaldios wrote: »

and level 45 to vet 3 is like 7 days played time for the average player. thats still very new to the game. most of the time spent would be lvling/questing.not piping as you are underpowered. (don't say that ur not underpowered as a vet 3, we all know how good vet 3s taste)

If Vet 3s are easy to beat it's likely because they've been questing the entire time and aren't too familiar with PvP yet. With the softcaps being raised there isn't too much of a difference between vet levels IMO. Well not nearly as much as in some games in any event.

I started PvPing exclusively at V1. By V2 I was taking on V12s regularly and coming out ahead, and this was before NB's got any "buffs". I'm still only V9 and don't honestly have any desire to go back to questing anytime soon, and I can't even remember the last time I died and thought to myself, "If only I was V12..."

I would suggest that he grab a friend or two and just roll with some people who know what they're doing. As it is, he looks like a Cyrodiil tourist and we'll likely never hear from him in PvP again.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

Kypho · August 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

i used all my stamina and all my magicka did all the damage i could as a nightblade duel wield, im vet 12 and the sorcerer was a vet 12. i was with 6 other people and we all stayed close together. that sorcerer did massive damage to us one at a time and when his health got low he simply cast a spell that made his health full instantly.
i was with a vet 8, a vet 10 and a few others that were about lv 45 to vet1.
complete imbalance in eso for the sorcerers and dragonights. it's rediculas.
that sorcerer killed all of us in under 30 seconds.

To the ppl who reply with crap: Just because you missing some bugs out, dont need to call someone bad player. As you will see, its possible for a sorc to do insane damage. So, before you call someone noob, maybe search for informations and you will see that he is not the noob, its you.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124637/fun-with-the-crazy-damage-scalating-bug#latest

Asgari · August 2014

Kypho wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

i used all my stamina and all my magicka did all the damage i could as a nightblade duel wield, im vet 12 and the sorcerer was a vet 12. i was with 6 other people and we all stayed close together. that sorcerer did massive damage to us one at a time and when his health got low he simply cast a spell that made his health full instantly.
i was with a vet 8, a vet 10 and a few others that were about lv 45 to vet1.
complete imbalance in eso for the sorcerers and dragonights. it's rediculas.
that sorcerer killed all of us in under 30 seconds.

To the ppl who reply with crap: Just because you missing some bugs out, dont need to call someone bad player. As you will see, its possible for a sorc to do insane damage. So, before you call someone noob, maybe search for informations and you will see that he is not the noob, its you.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124637/fun-with-the-crazy-damage-scalating-bug#latest

That is for the 2H attack. It has yet to be shown to happen in any other scenario.

As stated before with over %50 crit and the mund stone to back it up using crit surge with an AOE will heal him instantly. If you ever run into a player using Pulsar they are almost always running crit surge if they are a sorc. Please know what your talking about before posting random jibber jabber.

Lowbei · August 2014

hey guys, i just died 9v1 to a templar while fishing. i am mad about it and came straight to the forum!

GunemCleric · August 2014

Rylana wrote: »

OP let me break it down for you like this.

In the hands of competent players....

Templar beats Dragonknight
Dragonknight beats Sorc
Sorc beats Templar

Nightblade beats all and is beaten by all depending on configuration

This person go it. I have 2 DKs, one tank and one dps. Good Templars are the hardest fight, and my odds of killing one decrease the longer the fight lasts before I recognize him as a Templar. Any moron beating on a Templar while he is doing his super heals is generally a dead moron.

NB are the ONLY reason I waste stam sneaking. A NB out in the open on the other hand is usually as squishy as a sorc, and they have their disappear as sorc has bolt. Another post noted about being marked and walking around with shield up for the full minute. A good (patient) NB will strike and do their thing and if it fails they will back-off disappear and what for the target to relax...and then try again

Kypho · August 2014

what random jibber jabber... what if he was that? its not normal critical damage, and he stated in the video, it was a bug. you are so bad and low... read it and watch it before you start to post random jibber jabber....

Thechemicals · August 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

i used all my stamina and all my magicka did all the damage i could as a nightblade duel wield, im vet 12 and the sorcerer was a vet 12. i was with 6 other people and we all stayed close together. that sorcerer did massive damage to us one at a time and when his health got low he simply cast a spell that made his health full instantly.
i was with a vet 8, a vet 10 and a few others that were about lv 45 to vet1.
complete imbalance in eso for the sorcerers and dragonights. it's rediculas.
that sorcerer killed all of us in under 30 seconds.

That was you? Sorry I showed up late but I chased that Sorc down with my Templar and killed him by myself. Your welcome.

Raeder · August 2014

LonePirate wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

no not at all Hlaren, its just that for me as a sorcerer the race I fear the most in this game for pvp is the night blade actually, surprise attack and im dead in 3 secs

As a DK, I concur with this opinion. NBs are my most feared enemies as well. I simply laugh when people complain about NBs being broken or uncompetitive in PVP.

You're not blocking correctly then. As a VR12 NB, a DK that blocks, will win every fight he faces.

A DK has a ton of survivability that only the Templar has, and the ability to dish out far more damage.

kewl · August 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

rediculas

This is going to be my next chars name. Rediculas, a sorc vampire.