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AA Hardmode cleared- BOE LOOT?
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Raash✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »Still kind of lame that lazy solo players and gold hoarders will be getting raid gear without any other effort then opening their wallets.
I somewhat agree.
But imho, even thou trial gear become better it is still not worthy to be exclusive.
I would rather see some point system implemented into Vet dungeons and Trials like PVP points.
Those points should be gained to killing bossess, completing full dungeon\trial and some random tasks applied to your group when entering which come from a static pool of tasks like kill some boss w/o deaths, complete faster then xx:xx e.t.c.
You then use those points to buy some realy great gear which is better then even Tier 2 trial items but it can not be sold.
Aha, like some dwemer vendor machines? you found some ancient coins while adventuring and can go to this special ruin and there put the coins in, press a button and get that relic of your choice? or would a regular guy in some cities be trading with those coins? could be an interesting mystery story about where those coins came from aswell? i mean why would the bosses in dungeons have them etc
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tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭look dude, you will have a monopoly on nice items. so it isn't all that bad now when you think about it.0 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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He's not bitter, he's laughing at people like you who think having a pixelated character in a video game wearing some pixelated gear matters to anyone else but you.I don't understand why you are so bitter... oh wait.
And I'm laughing with him.
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 5, 2014 8:12AM5 -
odiasuda✭✭✭This game is unlike anything else in a lot of ways - I don't understand why people want to shoe-horn in "features" of other games. This really isn't really a raiding end-game MMO.
If you're really fond of BoP just sell what you're not going to use to a vendor. That way you can retain some of BoP's feeling whilst depriving other players of your leet loot.3 -
Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are you folks for real? You blaming Zenimax to nullify achievment because some items are BOE??
Correct me if i am wrong but.. Um, is it not the actual ACHIEVERS FQAULT if he or she sells those items on guild store or gives them to friends and what not?
Zenimax only provides you loot which happens to be BOE, it is the one who gets the loot that is to blame if he or she think the achievment is not so big of a deal that he or she decides to sell that gear :P>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<3 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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World firsts don't mean anything to anyone other than a small minority who seem to think 'achieving' something in a video game before someone else somehow says something about them as people.My guild Da Funk just cleared AA Hardmode only to find that the tier 2 loot is all BOE- Bind on Equip. Why would you make the best raid loot in the game Bind on Equip?
Are you on drugs Zenimax?
http://i.imgur.com/rJMMoIG.jpg
More info here: http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2cn0ys/news_aa_hardmode_worlds_first_kill/
Hint: it doesn't, at all, it's not a race since it's totally not an even playing field to begin with.
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Raash✭✭✭✭lots of lazy and bitter folks around this game it seems. Why not just ask zenimax to put a npc in all big cities where best items in game can be bought with gold? Would make perfect sense with a crowd like this.2
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Kego✭✭✭✭
All Items as BOE is fine as it is. As it is not like you will get all Items for free after a week. First of, every one from the Raidgroup will use these Items for themself. After all are done with it, those items moves to market places where other player can obtain them. In these case it plays to the raiders themself, cause if every Item would be BOP, you would just sell it to vendor for 500 Gold. Now you can get around 50.000+ Gold for an Item.LasurArkinshade wrote: »As long as there's a mixture of both types of rewards I'm fine with it, but I don't want ESO to become a game where you can get all the rewards just by farming gold.0 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Says the guy posting in a forum related to the video game where you have a pixelated character that "doesn't matter".0 -
tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Says the guy posting in a forum related to the video game where you have a pixelated character that "doesn't matter".
he is just another jealous dude.
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Says the guy posting in a forum related to the video game where you have a pixelated character that "doesn't matter".
he is just another jealous dude.
Yup, probably will never achieve anything in the game so "it's unimportant" but still important enough to come here an post about how unimportant it is.
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✭✭killedbyping wrote: »
Yup, I'll just complete the trial like I've been doing every night for the past month
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ZOS_MichelleA✭✭✭✭✭We understand and respect that players will have positive and negative feedback to share with us, and we appreciate all opinions about ESO. That said, please refrain from personal attacks against one another. Thank you.4
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iaintoff✭✭✭Why would raid loot be bind on equip? What is even the point of achieving anything? Just pay to win, boys.
Cause so far, we don't raid 'like that here'. Talk to ZOS about it. Along with a lot of others unfortunately. You know - PvE Raider-hate and all that. Its 'different' here, heh.
Amen
Long live pvp as centralised blob on zos agenda.1 -
Laura✭✭✭✭✭
✭this is the reason I quit Neverwinter. If this is intentional my sub ends today because I thinkt he direction of this game is not intended for my type of playstyle. I would really like to get an official response on this.
I know to this community having to try for anything is laughable and if ZoS has an absolute casual friendly game in mind - that's fine. It just won't include me. They already alienated most of the hardcore players so I'm not surprised.
Having tradeable best in slot gear creates what we called in Neverwinter - the auctionhouse heroes. They come they buy they quit. Neverwinter did eventually get the hint and changed this. Every person gets an item every time the boss is killed - in no time flat everyone will have these items and there will be no reason for anyone to raid. again.
@ZOS_MichelleA is this intentional?Edited by Laura on August 5, 2014 9:46AM5 -
boogie95✭✭✭Then please explain to me why I kept getting tells asking to join the guild during the time we had #1 on Hel Ra? I don't understand why you are so bitter... oh wait.
Birds of a feather flock together. And no, I'm not bitter. I don't care one way or the other what anyone does in this game. I play for my own entertainment, and don't give a rip what I, or anyone else, have achieved.
So if you don't care then stop talking all you do is troll on this forum.
guess what no one cares what you think eitherEdited by boogie95 on August 5, 2014 9:28AM2 -
TrentusSoul ShrivenDon't agree with the gear being BOE at all and hope they change it. Looks like a lot of people on this forum want a pay to win game sadly.
I also love the people saying they don't care about the gear but will prob be the first ones buying it. lol2 -
VagabondAngel✭✭✭✭If I had one gold for every time I see someone cancelling their sub....
Wait...
Ok, I'll give you 100 gold for your trial loot. Easy come easy go...
I hope your ego is ok after failing to get the required plaudits for being a hardmode hero by the way.~ Níamh ~
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭On one hand I get and share the frustration of dropping random set items I'm never going to use and that I can't even sell.
On the other hand, I agree that what's the point of working hard to complete the (supposedly) hardest content in game if the reward isn't unique and anyone can buy iy? (I won't even talk about Crypt of hearts which is supposedly also hard and that doesn't even have interesting loot).
Best idea would be to let the person that completes the challenge pick the loot he wants and make it bound on pickup.
In any case, I think some Chinese gold farmers & resellers are going to be very happy with this news
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boogie95✭✭✭VagabondAngel wrote: »If I had one gold for every time I see someone cancelling their sub....
Wait...
Ok, I'll give you 100 gold for your trial loot. Easy come easy go...
I hope your ego is ok after failing to get the required plaudits for being a hardmode hero by the way.
They will never find a group for trails as they all *** they cant get a group for a dungeon let alone trails. Plus no good guild will want a forum troll2 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭Hi,
i am a little bit confused. Why is BOE so bad? You can trade the Piece of Equip over your Bank betweenn your Characters or sell it i mean, or not?
Ah now i understand this, you mean it have to be BOP so only the People who does this Content can wear it. Hm then we should forbidden the Twinks in your Account to wear this Armor too, because you dont have done this Content with them. Same Logic.
I understand your Idea, i know this System because other MMORPGs do this too but i don`t really like this. Its like :*My House, my Boat, my Wife* and whats your Status?
Why, i don`t like it. It is more interesting if you can trade or sell more really good Equip from Content or Crafting. It gives the Game more Options, not only the *You must do this Content, obey the Guild or you can go Home* Feeling.
But yes, i can understand the Motivation to get something Special. I hunt Equip like Recipes too and love to have something unique. But for me it is ok, if a rare Item can be sold or trade. So i can decide to stay with the unique Equip or make some Gold to Support my Characters. More Options, you see.
But i can understand the Motivation to get something unique. I think Titles or Costumes are the Way to go. Costumes should be BOP, Titles can`t be sold and hey, you are unique too.
Btw, the Archievement System gives you special Colours and they are unique too or not? You can colour your Equip, stay at the "Marketplace" and show your Equip with some Colours, which only People get, if they have done some Special Content. So, why we should change BOE?
MFG MurmeltierEdited by Murmeltier on August 5, 2014 10:13AM4 -
Laura✭✭✭✭✭
✭Murmeltier wrote: »Hi,
i am a little bit confused. Why is BOE so bad? You can trade the Piece of Equip over your Bank betweenn your Characters or sell it i mean, or not?
Ah now i understand this, you mean it have to be BOP so only the People who does this Content can wear it. Hm then we should forbidden the Twinks in your Account to wear this Armor too, because you dont have done this Content with them. Same Logic.
I understand your Idea, i know this System because other MMORPGs do this too but i don`t really like this. Its like :*My House, my Boat, my Wife* and whats your Status?
Why, i don`t like it. It is more interesting if you can trade or sell more really good Equip from Content or Crafting. It gives the Game more Options, not only the *You must do this Content, obey the Guild or you can go Home* Feeling.
But yes, i can understand the Motivation to get something Special. I hunt Equip like Recipes too and love to have something unique. But for me it is ok, if a rare Item can be sold or trade. So i can decide to stay with the unique Equip or make some Gold to Support my Characters. More Options, you see.
But i can understand the Motivation to get something unique. I think Titles or Costumes are the Way to go. Costumes should be BOP, Titles can`t be sold and hey, you are unique too.
MFG Murmeltier
it isn't a new thing. UO and EQ did it - they added NO DROP items later because it caused problems. People spent all there time buying BIS items then just sort of quitting instead of doing the content. If the devs spend all this time making this content there should be a reason to go there. Even today there is one server on EQ that has everything BoE and it is called the merchants server because nobody does anything but haggle.
More recent Neverwinter did this and 80% of people playing the game sat around the auction house getting this stuff. They changed it rather quickly because of the problems it was causing.
The thing is it will be extremely EXTREMELY exacerbated in this game because every time you kill the boss EVERYONE GETS AN ITEM. these items will FLOOD the market in absolutely no time and then there will be no reason to do them.
Why do people not do V-CoH? because there is no gear there to get.
It sounds fine on paper but it causes issues. Why repeat the same mistakes of the past.Edited by Laura on August 5, 2014 10:09AM2 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Good change. Bind on Pickup is the worst, as it restricts the ways you can play and makes trading obsolete because you have to do everything yourself. As others said, I had enough of that in STO, no thanks.On the other hand, I agree that what's the point of working hard to complete the (supposedly) hardest content in game if the reward isn't unique and anyone can buy iy? (I won't even talk about Crypt of hearts which is supposedly also hard and that doesn't even have interesting loot).
I don't understand this mentality at all. If it is indeed hard to complete, the reward will be rare and thus expensive to buy. If it is not expensive so a new player right out of Coldharbour can buy it, it wasn't rare to begin with.
I also don't see how the reward isn't unique. Where else would you get it?
Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.5 -
GFBStarWars✭✭✭Should just have been a bound on pickup with the option to sell it using the guild store and traders (doing this will make the item equippable) but not through normal trade.
By selling special item using the store a really high tax will be applied so that even hard to find item won't be sold for 10k gold. (tax will be used as a gold sink, nothing goes to guild)0 -
VagabondAngel✭✭✭✭
What? Call me naive but are there really people who 'play' just to collect gear but not use it? I think the problem there is not the game design choices.The thing is it will be extremely EXTREMELY exacerbated in this game because every time you kill the boss EVERYONE GETS AN ITEM. these items will FLOOD the market in absolutely no time and then there will be no reason to do them.
Speaking for myself of course, since I assume I am in a minority, I do trials, dungeons, PvP etc because:
a) I want to, its fun
b) to see if I can improve
Loot is nice but it's not the destination. If anyone quits because such loot floods the market, I would chance that maybe gaming is not really their 'thing'. I would recommend visiting auction houses and curiosity shops instead, unless the required travelling is too much effort.~ Níamh ~
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think it's a matter of opinion.
I find trials a bit boring to do over and over again while waiting for new PvE content. I do however need the money for potions, soul gems, repairs etc. Atm I have to either advertise crafted/warlock gear for hours or go grind lower level mobs which is so mind-numbingly boring.
If I can do the trials (which is more fun and demanding than grinding mobs) and make money by selling the rare gear then I'm all for it. What's the point of picking up the same rare gear again and again and the only thing you can do is sell it for 30 gold or decon it for a change to get a purple mat?EU | PC | AD2 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭Murmeltier wrote: »Hi,
i am a little bit confused. Why is BOE so bad? You can trade the Piece of Equip over your Bank betweenn your Characters or sell it i mean, or not?
Ah now i understand this, you mean it have to be BOP so only the People who does this Content can wear it. Hm then we should forbidden the Twinks in your Account to wear this Armor too, because you dont have done this Content with them. Same Logic.
I understand your Idea, i know this System because other MMORPGs do this too but i don`t really like this. Its like :*My House, my Boat, my Wife* and whats your Status?
Why, i don`t like it. It is more interesting if you can trade or sell more really good Equip from Content or Crafting. It gives the Game more Options, not only the *You must do this Content, obey the Guild or you can go Home* Feeling.
But yes, i can understand the Motivation to get something Special. I hunt Equip like Recipes too and love to have something unique. But for me it is ok, if a rare Item can be sold or trade. So i can decide to stay with the unique Equip or make some Gold to Support my Characters. More Options, you see.
But i can understand the Motivation to get something unique. I think Titles or Costumes are the Way to go. Costumes should be BOP, Titles can`t be sold and hey, you are unique too.
MFG Murmeltier
it isn't a new thing. UO and EQ did it - they added NO DROP items later because it caused problems. People spent all there time buying BIS items then just sort of quitting instead of doing the content. If the devs spend all this time making this content there should be a reason to go there. Even today there is one server on EQ that has everything BoE and it is called the merchants server because nobody does anything but haggle.
More recent Neverwinter did this and 80% of people playing the game sat around the auction house getting this stuff. They changed it rather quickly because of the problems it was causing.
The thing is it will be extremely EXTREMELY exacerbated in this game because every time you kill the boss EVERYONE GETS AN ITEM. these items will FLOOD the market in absolutely no time and then there will be no reason to do them.
Why do people not do V-CoH? because there is no gear there to get.
It sounds fine on paper but it causes issues. Why repeat the same mistakes of the past.
Please read the Part with Costumes and Titles or Colours (The Colour Part i edit new, sorry). I can understand the Problem but there are more Options you can make Dungeons more attractive and combine the BOE Ingame too.
Some Examples i have offered. Unique Costumes, Unique Titles, Unique Colours. Maybe random Skyshards/Championpoints or other Cosmetic Features like Graphic Effekts for Skills or Weapons. All this would motivate Tons of Players without losing the Options to trade or sell Raidequip.
So why destroy one Option, if you can use both Worlds?Edited by Murmeltier on August 5, 2014 10:25AM2
