In previous TES games it has been stamina which governed those things listed in the title.. I don't think it will change.

RSram wrote: »

Stamina is for physical movement, so I vote no, but as stated previously
stamina builds are broken, and need to be fixed.

So whats your suggestion then? As long as the attacks use stamina and so does sprinting and dodging then they will always be behind magic users.

I haven't read a single argument against this yet that was good enough to dissuade me. Contrary to popular belief, adding a fourth bar does not remove the need to manage resources. Plus, I don't think EVERY secondary action should be moved to a fourth bar. I would say it is fair to keep block on stamina and just move CC break / sprint / sneak.

CC break, sprint, and sneak are actions any player should be capable of making regardless of offensive choices. Blocking should still be a choice between mitigation or using that resource for damage output.

I run a PVP build with light armor, 1h & shield / resto staff on templar. My 1h bar is Pierce Armor, Biting Jabs, Solar Barrage, Vampire's Bane, Invasion. I can get in one Invasion and if I have to roll, I'm basically out of stamina. I barely get to use my Pierce Armor because of stamina limitations, so I'm considering throwing it out for (surprise!) another magicka-based ability. Probably Binding Javelin or Unstable Core.

Granted, I don't have much in the way of boosting my stamina pool, one ability and one dodge roll is pathetic.

Whatever your thoughts on this idea for PVE, keep in mind the effect it has on PVP players is double.

other, blocking and sneaking should cost stamina, dodge and CC break not, or make it cost half stam/half mag

magnusnet wrote: »

So it doesn't come down to balance, it comes down (just like for the people that are still asking for nerfs on DKs) to skill.

*drops the mic & walks away*

So "skill" is being locked into 100% stamina focused or not at all? Play how you want, indeed.

I feel like picking up a sword and doing a cleave style attack with it would be less taxing on your body than casting a spell that calls lightning down, but that just me.

Disclaimer: I've never had the ability to call lightning down so I cannot be 100% sure how taxing it is.

Couple ideas I have: Have sprint, dodge, block etc. take from both magicka and stamina evenly.

Or have them take from your lowest resource. (Total, not current)

Azarul wrote: »

RSram wrote: »

Stamina is for physical movement, so I vote no, but as stated previously
stamina builds are broken, and need to be fixed.

So whats your suggestion then? As long as the attacks use stamina and so does sprinting and dodging then they will always be behind magic users.

Stamina builds, i.e. builds that invest heavily into stamina, should simply be more effective at sprinting, dodging, blocking, CC-break, etc. Or rather, builds that don't should be worse. How exactly that is accomplished is secondary, but I've suggested several times that dodging should be much slower with less stamina, sprinting should be slower, blocking should block less damage and CC-breaks should take longer before your character is maneuverable again.

I had suggested the following as a way to do this on the official weapon improvement thread.

Problem.
Stamina based weapons cause a double draw in Stamina due to the fact that blocks, rolls, CC breaks draw from the same pool as the weapon attacks.

Why it's a problem.
In PvP this allows magicka based builds to block cast using their stamina bar solely for block/roll/breaks while using their magicka solely for attacking. Stamina based builds can also block cast but they will consume their resource pool twice as fast. Simply put in a fight against a magicka user and a stamina user the stamina user will be out of resources long before the magicka user will. This gives the stamina user a sophies choice, do I block and run out of stamina to attack, or do I attack and run out of stamina to CC break? This is not a choice that the magicka user has to make.

Potential Solution.
Add a new bar called "power". Power = (Stamina + Magicka)/2). All blocks dodges and breaks consume a rescaled amount of power rather than stamina or magicka. The power bar could be as simple as the horse stamina bar.

**Alternate equation that does not require a rescaling and would automatically allow power to represent the highest resource pool.
( (S+M/2) * ( (S-M)/(S+M) ) ) + ((S+M)/2)

Why it could work.
* Both magicka and stamina builds have the same considerations when it comes to the choice of blocking, dodging or breaking.
* The resulting power pool is identical to what it currently is for magicka users in regards to being able to Block/dodge/break.
* The power bar equally represents what the player invests in whether he invests in stamina or magicka.

Ancillary uses for a Power bar.
* It can be used to provide an effective GCD without making a GCD by attaching certain skills to the power bar. If that skill is used consecutively then it causes an exhaustion debuff. If that skill is used again while under the exhaustion debuff it will consume power as well as stamina or magkica. This would be very effective in reducing skill spam without harming the individual skill or adding a GCD. If needed it can also be used for managing gap closers or openers such as Bolt escape and invasion without harming the individual skill or adding a GCD.

* It could give you an additional point of contact for fine tuning that may be more precise to the issue at hand then the current system may allow allow for.

They need to make it like the original Morrowind and Oblivion games with the Elder Scrolls feel to it. Yes they could add a 4th resource, but it would still be better to revamp the whole stamina system so that weapon skills DO NOT consume stamina, this is an aberration of the Elder Scrolls franchise.

Vaelen wrote: »

They need to make it like the original Morrowind and Oblivion games with the Elder Scrolls feel to it. Yes they could add a 4th resource, but it would still be better to revamp the whole stamina system so that weapon skills DO NOT consume stamina, this is an aberration of the Elder Scrolls franchise.

So... basically free weapon skills? lol Or somehow weapon skills use magicka?

Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »

Vaelen wrote: »

They need to make it like the original Morrowind and Oblivion games with the Elder Scrolls feel to it. Yes they could add a 4th resource, but it would still be better to revamp the whole stamina system so that weapon skills DO NOT consume stamina, this is an aberration of the Elder Scrolls franchise.

So... basically free weapon skills? lol Or somehow weapon skills use magicka?

Yes, free weapon skills and leave Stamina there to dodge roll, block, sprinting, sneaking. The weapon skills should all have activation cooldowns so that there isn't spamming. I'm not totally sure if making weapon skills use magicka is a solution though, it would make the game more like GW2 than an Elder Scrolls game.

Faulgor wrote: »

Azarul wrote: »

RSram wrote: »

Stamina is for physical movement, so I vote no, but as stated previously
stamina builds are broken, and need to be fixed.

So whats your suggestion then? As long as the attacks use stamina and so does sprinting and dodging then they will always be behind magic users.

Stamina builds, i.e. builds that invest heavily into stamina, should simply be more effective at sprinting, dodging, blocking, CC-break, etc. Or rather, builds that don't should be worse. How exactly that is accomplished is secondary, but I've suggested several times that dodging should be much slower with less stamina, sprinting should be slower, blocking should block less damage and CC-breaks should take longer before your character is maneuverable again.

I would actually vote for CC breaking to take away from magicka maybe.