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mobs of high levels doing anchors?
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DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
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The Generals achievement is not the only achievement you receive from Dolmens. Some achievements require Dolmens in specific zones. Which of course you acknowledge. I have yet to see low level Dolmens getting wrecked by Vets. The occasional vet will come in, and get out.Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »I can understand some Vets coming in and doing low level anchors... At least once for the area achievements and whatnot else. Here's my debate though about the generals and whatnot else. Do they not spawn in the vet areas or something? If they do... then why don't all the vets that are decimating low level anchors get together and try those?Edited by DenverRalphy on August 3, 2014 5:55PM1 -
Elridge✭✭✭[quote="Thairus;1162383(which is why alot of them opted to jump into craglorn).
well that is their issue. Now they are making it an our issue and certain people say that we need to be faster to "poke" the monster, and there are many low levels in the zones of their level that say "go home hibees" We shouldn't have to be faster, or stronger or anything else just because VRs are in the zone. I am am willing to say that their actions quite possibly equate to 'griefing' as in the Wikipedia definition "Griefing is the act of chronically causing consternation to other members of an online community, or more specifically, intentionally disrupting the immersion of another player in their gameplay." [/quote]
well let me say to you exactly what you are telling the higher levels.. well that is your issue, deal with it. I provided explanations as to why they are doing it, and that's what you say? "that is their issue". No issues with them, they are getting credit... and those certain people telling you to poke a monster are telling you that for a reason.. because it is just that easy to get credit for something.
How is it disrupting immersion? They are strong players, strong players can kill weak monsters, just like strong bosses can kill you. I mean, I guess if you are immersed in a world where you want to pretend to be the strongest player, and no one else is stronger then yourself, it makes sense. Or maybe if a guy was dancing while you guys were fighting, that's a bit immersion breaking.
I've never seen a single person say go "go home hibees" I mean... just saying vets would make more sense. If you shouldn't have to adjust to the situation, and speed up for the high level players, then they shouldn't have to slow down for you. You could always do what everyone else did at launch, be patient, and wait.
I could understand asking them politely to let you join in on the fight, because chances are they don't realize they are excluding you. But never have I even thought of telling the higher level players to "go home" just because I had some undeserved feeling of entitlement to the area, just because I was a lower level such as yourself. That's being just as rude as they are being to you, if not more so since they have just as much right to be there as you, and aren't deliberately doing anything other then trying to get an achievement.
That being said, I tend to wait behind the lower levels in the caves, if I need to do them, heal them, buff them, help them with the bosses. A few times I just poked the boss to get credit and let the lower levels have their fun killing it.
Edited by Elridge on August 3, 2014 5:58PMAccount Name:@Elridge
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✭just a thought here, but shouldn't these high levels have done them when they were leveling that area?
You can't dictate how people play the game. Another person might say that you should wait till vr12 to do them.
What the OP describes is an MMO fact of life. I'd suggest running away if you see vr12 mobs coming at you.Edited by kewl on August 3, 2014 6:03PM3 -
Elridge✭✭✭as for the monster hunter achievement, I think you have to solo those, which is what I did, you don't get credit on those for just poking, you have to actually deliver the final blow. If I am not mistakenEdited by Elridge on August 3, 2014 6:02PMAccount Name:@Elridge
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Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I farmed VR 2 & 4 anchors(Deshaan & Eastmarch) for the Daedric Lord Slayer achievement, Pre-VR nerf. As a VR 4. Got it in like... a week.
These herds of VR 12s farming low-level anchors?? No excuse. They can solo/duo farm VR 1 - 4 anchors easily, all the while having more fun with a decent experience, and get sellable loot(along with some rare Anchor-drop-only set bonuses). When I see them farming low-level Anchors, I report them, period. It is just sad. I came across this "epidemic" while on an alt. Friend and I tried for 30 minutes to get one decent Anchor fight, only to find 2 VR 12s with super-speed horses zerg-rushing them on spawn with impulse. Totally ruined the experience for me, let alone the first-timers whom were still learning and exploring the game.
So ya, I reported them. My friend reported them. And while on my alt, coming across any VRs doing rotations on low-level anchors, will continue to report them. I don't mind if they just come once to obtain the location and achievement for destroying -that- anchor. Fine, I understand completely. All good. You missed it initially, it's ok! ... But if you're a VR farming General Executioner in low-level... doing rotations, You're getting reported.
I'm afraid your post reads more like a show off of your combat prowess.
Nope. I use a sub-par build. I don't min-max. I don't even AOE. And I've openly advocated the VR mobs get nerfed without mercy.
My point is that, VR 12s farming low-level anchors, is inexcusable and unnecessary. It ruined the experience for me on an alt. Then it most certainly destroyed the experience for any fresh subscribers trying this game out. If I just joined a game, only to find high-levels destroying my lvl'd content... for me... i'd probably just quit the game there.
They can easily farm VR 1 - 4 anchors, quickly too. Stop selfishly ruining the experience for others. Namely, the fresh blood whom are trying to learn the game. Please, get out and stay out of low-level areas. And I mean it. You have no excuse farming there.
Farming for mats? I undersand. Getting that one boss in that public dungeon because of stupid uninstanced public-mechanic-logic and insane boss timer spawns... I understand Destroying that low level anchor because you missed it first time, and you NEED it for that achievement that requires to have discovered and destroyed all zone anchors. I understand! I understand.
But... doing rotations on low-level anchors when you can, and should, be doing them at your appropriate level? No excuse. You're getting reported for griefing. There is a reason you stop getting loot when you out-level the content... to KEEP YOU AWAY from ruining the experience of others. Go back to VR, and help other VR players farm anchors. You'll also keep VR population nice and active. HOW ABOUT THAT?
I see you doing rotations on low-level anchors at VR 1+, you're getting reported for griefing, and I will follow you at all anchors you rotate for further screenshot evidence. You are ruining the experience for other players. You are keeping low level players from enjoying a challenging content. You are keeping them from learning the game. You are griefing, and it is against the TOS.Edited by Lord_Hev on August 3, 2014 6:09PM5 -
Elridge✭✭✭personally I don't see how that is griefing, rude as hell yea, but griefing? They aren't harassing anyone, or being deliberately irritating... just being extremely rude in their farming. Kinda surprised I haven't encountered any of this, I have 2 vet ranked characters right now, one at 9 the other at 6 and other alts at lower levels. I've prolly seen like one group of vet 12s fighting a dolmen lolEdited by Elridge on August 3, 2014 6:13PMAccount Name:@Elridge
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✭I farmed VR 2 & 4 anchors(Deshaan & Eastmarch) for the Daedric Lord Slayer achievement, Pre-VR nerf. As a VR 4. Got it in like... a week.
These herds of VR 12s farming low-level anchors?? No excuse. They can solo/duo farm VR 1 - 4 anchors easily, all the while having more fun with a decent experience, and get sellable loot(along with some rare Anchor-drop-only set bonuses). When I see them farming low-level Anchors, I report them, period. It is just sad. I came across this "epidemic" while on an alt. Friend and I tried for 30 minutes to get one decent Anchor fight, only to find 2 VR 12s with super-speed horses zerg-rushing them on spawn with impulse. Totally ruined the experience for me, let alone the first-timers whom were still learning and exploring the game.
So ya, I reported them. My friend reported them. And while on my alt, coming across any VRs doing rotations on low-level anchors, will continue to report them. I don't mind if they just come once to obtain the location and achievement for destroying -that- anchor. Fine, I understand completely. All good. You missed it initially, it's ok! ... But if you're a VR farming General Executioner in low-level... doing rotations, You're getting reported.
I'm afraid your post reads more like a show off of your combat prowess.
Nope. I use a sub-par build. I don't min-max. I don't even AOE. And I've openly advocated the VR mobs get nerfed without mercy.
My point is that, VR 12s farming low-level anchors, is inexcusable and unnecessary. It ruined the experience for me on an alt. Then it most certainly destroyed the experience for any fresh subscribers trying this game out. If I just joined a game, only to find high-levels destroying my lvl'd content... for me... i'd probably just quit the game there.
They can easily farm VR 1 - 4 anchors, quickly too. Stop selfishly ruining the experience for others. Namely, the fresh blood whom are trying to learn the game. Please, get out and stay out of low-level areas. And I mean it. You have no excuse farming there.
Farming for mats? I undersand. Getting that one boss in that public dungeon because of stupid uninstanced public-mechanic-logic and insane boss timer spawns... I understand Destroying that low level anchor because you missed it first time, and you NEED it for that achievement that requires to have discovered and destroyed all zone anchors. I understand! I understand.
But... doing rotations on low-level anchors when you can, and should, be doing them at your appropriate level? No excuse. You're getting reported for griefing. There is a reason you stop getting loot when you out-level the content... to KEEP YOU AWAY from ruining the experience of others. Go back to VR, and help other VR players farm anchors. You'll also keep VR population nice and active. HOW ABOUT THAT?
I see you doing rotations on low-level anchors at VR 1+, you're getting reported for griefing, and I will follow you at all anchors you rotate for further screenshot evidence. You are ruining the experience for other players. You are keeping low level players from enjoying a challenging content. You are keeping them from learning the game. You are griefing, and it is against the TOS.
Lol, couldn't find another more self righteous guy here. Bravo.6 -
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✭✭personally I don't see how that is griefing, rude as hell yea, but griefing? They aren't harassing anyone, or being deliberately irritating... just being extremely rude in their farming. Kinda surprised I haven't encountered any of this, I have 2 vet ranked characters right now, one at 9 the other at 6 and other alts at lower levels. I've prolly seen like one group of vet 12s fighting a dolmen lol
Anchors were designed for players to group for.(actual group, or just gather-up whatever) Big scary ritual, big scary anchor, creepy cultists, and then Daedra falling from the portal in waves. This is when you, as a fresh player, start to get a taste of needing to group and interact with others. Where, as a new-player, you interact with other players, and even with your experiment build, you work together, and destroy the Anchor.
Now we have these players joining the game, making it to level 25, and then oh look... an Anchor! Only to go there looking for a fun intense fight... only to arrive and see two people three-shotting packs of Daedra with some AOE ability. ... ok... That... sucked... sigh... And then you discover another Anchor down the way... unactive. You see some other players around. Similar level. Waiting for the anchor to activate, so you go near them. Maybe do some silly emotes. Then the Anchor spawns... ALL RIGHT! We can do this! /fistpump /shout ... but then... by the time you are done prepping up... two VR 12s show up on ferrari horses, INTO the 6 cultists... in just a second, destroy them with one impulse... then destroy every other mob there... And you and your new friends are just there... thinking... WTF?
They, have just been griefed. And... for them... the griefing is JUST GETTING STARTED, because every Anchor they happen to discover... is face-rolled by VRs doing rotations.
Their experience is being ruined. Their enjoyment is being ruined. And there's nothing they can do about it. They are being griefed.Edited by Lord_Hev on August 3, 2014 6:28PM6 -
Elridge✭✭✭personally I don't see how that is griefing, rude as hell yea, but griefing? They aren't harassing anyone, or being deliberately irritating... just being extremely rude in their farming. Kinda surprised I haven't encountered any of this, I have 2 vet ranked characters right now, one at 9 the other at 6 and other alts at lower levels. I've prolly seen like one group of vet 12s fighting a dolmen lol
Anchors were designed for players to group for.(actual group, or just gather-up whatever) Big scary ritual, big scary anchor, creepy cultists, and then Daedra falling from the portal in waves. This is when you, as a fresh player, start to get a taste of needing to group and interact with others. Where, as a new-player, you interact with other players, and even with your experiment build, you work together, and destroy the Anchor.
Now we have these players joining the game, making it to level 25, and then oh look... an Anchor! Only to go there looking for a fun intense fight... only to arrive and see two people three-shotting packs of Daedra with some AOE ability. ... ok... That... sucked... sigh... And then you discover another Anchor down the way... unactive. You see some other players around. Similar level. Waiting for the anchor to activate, so you go near them. Maybe do some silly emotes. Then the Anchor spawns... ALL RIGHT! We can do this! /fistpump /shout ... but then... by the time you are done prepping up... two VR 12s show up on ferrari horses, INTO the 6 cultists... in just a second, destroy them with one impulse... then destroy every other mob there... And you and your new friends are just there... thinking... WTF?
They, have just been griefed. And... for them... the griefing is JUST GETTING STARTED, because every Anchor they happen to discover... is face-rolled by VRs doing rotations.
Their experience is being ruined. Their enjoyment is being ruined. And there's nothing they can do about it. They are being griefed.
ok, I'll give you a thumbs up for putting it in a better structured debate rather then "well that's their problem"
I can see that being a problem, only solution I could think of is Generals only spawning in the highest of Vet ranks, though we would probably be having a different conversation about lower levels complaining that they can't get those achievements and the dyes. Then when they raise the level cap what would they do as well?
Sadly, there is just no way to please everyone. Instead of coming online to the forums and crying about things, people need to come up with what they think might be solutionsAccount Name:@Elridge
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Xehmnus_Rayne✭✭✭They should make it so that, aside from the destroying that particular anchor achievement, that you don't get any credit or anything for any achievement with them if they're that over leveled.2 -
Elridge✭✭✭Then it shouldn't spawn at all in the lower levels, because it's just as inbalanced that the lower levels can kill an easy General at their level for the achievement, where as a veteran has to deal with the harder version of it. Although lvl 26 vs lvl 26 and Vet rank 12 vs Vet rank 12 sounds like its the same difficulty, because they are both fighting a monster at their own level, it is far from the same.
So it would be fair that every person has to wait until they have put the same amount of time into the game, to get the achievementAccount Name:@Elridge
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Xehmnus_Rayne✭✭✭The vet level characters had the same time and chance to get the generals at lower levels that the lower level people do. If they waited til vet levels to finish the achievement, then now they have to do vet level anchors to finish it.2
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Elridge✭✭✭You're right, they do now. Keep thinking about launch and how it was impossible to get credit back then too. Since instead of two vet level 12s, there were massive amounts of low level players and gold farmers killing the bosses extremely quick.
So although the current veteran characters didn't have the same chance as the current low lvl characters, the future ones willAccount Name:@Elridge
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DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »The vet level characters had the same time and chance to get the generals at lower levels that the lower level people do. If they waited til vet levels to finish the achievement, then now they have to do vet level anchors to finish it.
Except that it's not just about the achievement for killing all the generals. Some of the achievements require Dolmens from specific zones. So if a vet needs a specific Dolmen in a zone from their original faction, they don't have a choice other than to revisit their Alma Mater.1 -
Khami✭✭✭✭...But then again ZOS has a history of not listening to players... so I am probably wrong and I should have checked PTS beforehand, but that still does not excuse those high levels who actually attempt to spam their firepower so as to not let the low levels get a shot in beforehand.
ZoS isn't listening? It's you who isn't paying attention. Not only is ZoS bashing things with a nerf hammer, they tweaked crafted set bonuses on PTS because of all the complains about the removal of spell crit from two different sets. They were added back, but at 4% instead of the 5% we enjoy until the patch tomorrow.
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Xehmnus_Rayne✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »The vet level characters had the same time and chance to get the generals at lower levels that the lower level people do. If they waited til vet levels to finish the achievement, then now they have to do vet level anchors to finish it.
Except that it's not just about the achievement for killing all the generals. Some of the achievements require Dolmens from specific zones. So if a vet needs a specific Dolmen in a zone from their original faction, they don't have a choice other than to revisit their Alma Mater.
I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that earlier, did I not? I'm totally fine with them coming to clear an anchor ONCE if they somehow missed that anchor and/or just didn't get that achievement.
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Elridge✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »The vet level characters had the same time and chance to get the generals at lower levels that the lower level people do. If they waited til vet levels to finish the achievement, then now they have to do vet level anchors to finish it.
Except that it's not just about the achievement for killing all the generals. Some of the achievements require Dolmens from specific zones. So if a vet needs a specific Dolmen in a zone from their original faction, they don't have a choice other than to revisit their Alma Mater.
I don't think they are complaining about vet12s running in to do a single dolmen, at least I hope not otherwise they are just being childish because, as someone said "this is our zone" basically saying higher levels shouldn't be there. Sounds like it's the farmers doing rotations, that is the problem. The guys spamming the Destro staff AOE, I forget the name of it, the last one on the skill line
I mean there are ways to go about it, veterans can poke the boss, then let the lower levels have their fun, which is what I do when I go back to do ones I missed. Really it's just about courtesy and how people go about it.
Edited by Elridge on August 3, 2014 7:19PMAccount Name:@Elridge
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Khami✭✭✭✭I farmed VR 2 & 4 anchors(Deshaan & Eastmarch) for the Daedric Lord Slayer achievement, Pre-VR nerf. As a VR 4. Got it in like... a week.
These herds of VR 12s farming low-level anchors?? No excuse. They can solo/duo farm VR 1 - 4 anchors easily, all the while having more fun with a decent experience, and get sellable loot(along with some rare Anchor-drop-only set bonuses). When I see them farming low-level Anchors, I report them, period. It is just sad. I came across this "epidemic" while on an alt. Friend and I tried for 30 minutes to get one decent Anchor fight, only to find 2 VR 12s with super-speed horses zerg-rushing them on spawn with impulse. Totally ruined the experience for me, let alone the first-timers whom were still learning and exploring the game.
So ya, I reported them. My friend reported them. And while on my alt, coming across any VRs doing rotations on low-level anchors, will continue to report them. I don't mind if they just come once to obtain the location and achievement for destroying -that- anchor. Fine, I understand completely. All good. You missed it initially, it's ok! ... But if you're a VR farming General Executioner in low-level... doing rotations, You're getting reported.
Report people for what? Doing a level 8 dolmen with a VR12 character? Since when it that breaking any rules? Where in the TOS does it say all veteran ranked players must only stay in the veteran rank zones?
I will continue to use my VR12 in low level zones doing dolmens. I'll continue to heal the lowbies and not one-shot everything.
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✭Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »The vet level characters had the same time and chance to get the generals at lower levels that the lower level people do. If they waited til vet levels to finish the achievement, then now they have to do vet level anchors to finish it.
New to the game and already making assumptions based on a limited set of experiences?
I've played since beta and only experienced your issue a handful of times. None of those times did I think of QQing the forums.
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DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »The vet level characters had the same time and chance to get the generals at lower levels that the lower level people do. If they waited til vet levels to finish the achievement, then now they have to do vet level anchors to finish it.
Except that it's not just about the achievement for killing all the generals. Some of the achievements require Dolmens from specific zones. So if a vet needs a specific Dolmen in a zone from their original faction, they don't have a choice other than to revisit their Alma Mater.
I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that earlier, did I not? I'm totally fine with them coming to clear an anchor ONCE if they somehow missed that anchor and/or just didn't get that achievement.
Yes. But then too... Vets are very capable of restraint. If they want to farm a low level Dolmen, what's the problem as long as they're not detracting from lower level players? Their presence alone isn't ruining anything.
Unless they're laying a smackdown with AOE's depriving lower level players their opportunity to participate, then they have just as much reason to be there as anybody else.
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Xehmnus_Rayne✭✭✭Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »The vet level characters had the same time and chance to get the generals at lower levels that the lower level people do. If they waited til vet levels to finish the achievement, then now they have to do vet level anchors to finish it.
New to the game and already making assumptions based on a limited set of experiences?
I've played since beta and only experienced your issue a handful of times. None of those times did I think of QQing the forums.
Suck it up!
Ummm... no, actually. Sounds more like you're the one making assumptions here.
Oh, and do try to learn a better arguement than "Suck it up!"
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Xehmnus_Rayne✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »The vet level characters had the same time and chance to get the generals at lower levels that the lower level people do. If they waited til vet levels to finish the achievement, then now they have to do vet level anchors to finish it.
Except that it's not just about the achievement for killing all the generals. Some of the achievements require Dolmens from specific zones. So if a vet needs a specific Dolmen in a zone from their original faction, they don't have a choice other than to revisit their Alma Mater.
I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that earlier, did I not? I'm totally fine with them coming to clear an anchor ONCE if they somehow missed that anchor and/or just didn't get that achievement.
Yes. But then too... Vets are very capable of restraint. If they want to farm a low level Dolmen, what's the problem as long as they're not detracting from lower level players? Their presence alone isn't ruining anything.
Unless they're laying a smackdown with AOE's depriving lower level players their opportunity to participate, then they have just as much reason to be there as anybody else.
That's the problem though. The ones that come in and throw a heal out or two, or just tag the boss I'm okay with. More often than not though, I see the ones that have probably never heard of the word restraint. They run in, guns blazing and the anchor is done before you even know what the hell happened.2 -
MeowGinger✭✭✭I farmed VR 2 & 4 anchors(Deshaan & Eastmarch) for the Daedric Lord Slayer achievement, Pre-VR nerf. As a VR 4. Got it in like... a week.
These herds of VR 12s farming low-level anchors?? No excuse. They can solo/duo farm VR 1 - 4 anchors easily, all the while having more fun with a decent experience, and get sellable loot(along with some rare Anchor-drop-only set bonuses). When I see them farming low-level Anchors, I report them, period. It is just sad. I came across this "epidemic" while on an alt. Friend and I tried for 30 minutes to get one decent Anchor fight, only to find 2 VR 12s with super-speed horses zerg-rushing them on spawn with impulse. Totally ruined the experience for me, let alone the first-timers whom were still learning and exploring the game.
So ya, I reported them. My friend reported them. And while on my alt, coming across any VRs doing rotations on low-level anchors, will continue to report them. I don't mind if they just come once to obtain the location and achievement for destroying -that- anchor. Fine, I understand completely. All good. You missed it initially, it's ok! ... But if you're a VR farming General Executioner in low-level... doing rotations, You're getting reported.
Time and ease are a contributing factor to anchor "farming," but I guarantee you that's not why most veterans go to low-level zones to complete anchors. The primary reason is the chance of spawning a particular general.
Any 16 generals can spawn in veteran zones, while only 4 specific generals spawn in each of the 2nd through 5th zones of your alliance.Edited by MeowGinger on August 3, 2014 7:33PM1 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Use Silver Bolts if you have trouble getting a shot in. Nothing is faster.1
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beka✭
Sure, if all you care about is a white icon and loot. I think having a bunch of high levels at an anchor really spoils the fun for the on-level characters.All you have to do is make sure to even barely participate and you'll get full credit for closing the Anchor and will get access to the chest at the end, no need to be upset about Vets coming in on low level Dolmens.
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