I'm guilty of this. I'm one of many VRs camping the dolmens to hunt down bosses. It's frustrating for me, too. However, I generally try to support lower level players and only attack one or two enemies, or take out any creature about to kill a lower level player if I can.

Dolmens used to be a lot more random then they are now. Also there weren't add ons to help you find them.
I have had them all for ages now cause I wanted the title but may have to do more because of the generals randomly spawning. Either that or I'll go do the exploration achievements like maiq and the npc intimidation one.
Now guys should I have done those while I was levelling bearing in mind I didn't even know intimidate for a while.
What about the fishing ones should I have done all of them while questing through each zone?
What about when collectables work am I not allowed that because it may mean I have to backtrack to find the associated mobs?
I really hate the assumption that all v12 have "grinded" to that level I actually already had a discussion about this with some ppl on the forums that were discussing where to do it. I basically told them they would have missed achievements and some interesting things. I quested to v10 before crag dropped and then did craglorn daily quests, vet dungeons, missed wb,dolmens and delves to get the last 2 ranks.
So stop making genralisations about everybody at the current cap.

Mission wrote: »

You can't 100% guarantee that..cause I stay in a zone till it's 100% done. I'm a completionist.

Really so you stayed in your starting zone wandering untill all of the exploration achieves like crime pays etc spawned? Completed the same handful of dolmens 250 times? Got the fishing and all the dolmen generals found maiq? More to the point you must have grinded to vet rank there to get the vet dungeon achieves.

we kill low level stuff, for one reason only, well two

1. its fun, but
2. to get all of the achievements, just Dolmens alone there is one to destroy 250 of them, one to pull 100 pins, one to kill all of the generals.

If you do 100% of a zone pre-vet, you will out-level the next zone. When I leveled 1-50, I did not worry about 100% completion of each zone, didn't look up locations on websites, etc. I just played the story. Vet zones are completely different and have to be done 100% (or more) to get the next vet level.

Now that the dye system is coming out, I am going back and picking up the dolmens, delves, world bosses and POIs that I missed (as well as joining a campaign dominated by my alliance to do all the PvE stuff in Cyrodiil). I'm aware and courteous to low level players and try not to ruin the experience for them. In fact only a couple of dolmens and world bosses had low levels doing them at the time I came around and they were 90 complete. I jumped in and used a few light attacks to get credit is all.

Hilgara wrote: »

The Vet content was too difficult for them so the went to crag to grind anomalies and level the easy way . Now the achievements are worth something they are all coming back to ruin everyone else's game.

Bitter much? You know, this thread is about VR players going back and finishing up 1-50 zones and has nothing to do with VR difficulty so keep the insults to an appropriate thread.

Stx wrote: »

It seems to me that a group of friends are simply going back and helping each other complete parts of the map they missed while leveling.

I don't see anything wrong with that personally. Yeah it can be kind of annoying, but the whole world doesn't belong to you(or anyone else).

Personally, I enjoy soloing dolmens and world bosses, it gives me a sense of accomplishment to solo veteran dolmens my same level(v9) as a 2hand/bow NB.

I knew dolmens adjusted to the number of people present, but I never saw people soloing them leveling up either 1-50 or in vet content. People were always LFM in zone. I recently started soloing them and it's a blast! Wish I would have soloed more from the start.

the only prob with high ranked players doing the low level ones is that new players barely get enough time to make a hit before they are closed. they get nothing if they dont register enough damage or if a healer they are screwed as they cant make enough heal to count. it would be courteous if high ranks would just wait a few seconds and let the low levels get a few whacks in, but I doubt most would, its their game time as well.

the good news is that dolmens spawn pretty fast and regular

pez8897nub19_ESO wrote: »

I will be HONEST here. Most of the vet level dolmens are empty and impossible to do alone. I have zero waiting time on the lower level dolmens because I can do them alone. I have 2 generals left and less than 40 anchors left for the 250 acheivement. I don't use my heavy spells in the low zones and I try to not be so grabby with the kills. *cough*
(staff users)

I have soloed all the dolmens outside of Craglorn so they are possible to do alone.

However, like many, I started playing ESO at day 1.

At day 1, many quests were bugged, many bosses were bugged or would not spawn, most solo dungeons were so full of bots that I could not target the dungeon boss before it'd be killed by the circle of bots around their spawn point.

So, now that I am done with levelling up (and I did not get 1 XP in Craglorn before I finished all the VR content) I come back and finally make my low level maps "white" (completed).


Another factor is... that Craglorn sucks. Sucks major balls.

I can instantly get a group to "grind Hircine" or "grind 3 bosses" and eventually "grind AA".
I have joined a guild which twice a week does the trials.

But regardless of how hard I try, it's simply impossibile to get a functioning group to actually do Craglorn quests. Even my guildmates prefer doing trials and if one day we don't have enough people online to do them, they prefer to log off than doing some quests or 4 men dungeons in Craglorn.

So, what's a VR 12 guy meant to do? PvP? All day, every day? No, we get bored and go around... and to a VR 12 every place is a lowbie area with people who will complain seeing them.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

To further that, I can pretty much guarantee not one single person stays in any zone until it's 100% complete before moving on. I mean EVERY single quest, entire map white, 100% of the zone achievements (some aren't even finished within a single zone), etc. It could literally take weeks to months in one zone just to get it 100% including achievements, this is why players go back.

Call me a completionist, but I do. I dont really want to "have to" come back at some point. I'd rather know the zone is done and dusted. Aside the group dungeons as I solo.

The problem is lower level players get no joy from participating while you slaughter everything in sight Admitted it is nice to watch if I am not participating

Ditto, as far as I'm aware I've been fully completing one area before moving on to the next. Turning everything to white, getting all lore/shards.


That said, this thread does confirm something I've long suspected.
1. A significant percentage of players don't care about achievements. (I'm one of them, I may be a bit of competionist when it comes to doing things I want to do, but when it comes to stupid stuff like fishing or whatnot, I could care less)
2. Adding rewards to achievements just results in reducing how much fun people get out of your game. (apparently in more ways than one)

Erock25 wrote: »

Anyone else get real confused by the title and think pve mobs were killing off dolmens?

LOL

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Anyone else get real confused by the title and think pve mobs were killing off dolmens?

yes. and when I found out this was about some people VR12 going to low pve zones to get achievements. I thought 'why did I come here ??'

Some people do their achievements great. Is it having an impact on your experience ? no. why ? because these anchors respawn pretty fast. Not a reason to post on the forum. Period.

It's people like these I hope to see the dye colors for the achievements they are going for = pansy pink or Army green. Period.

Wow mobs are doing the dolmens now? This game pretty much runs itself!

magnusnet wrote: »

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

Most will say they do it for achievements, fair enough, because it is so much easier to waste a low level dolmen than a VR one, and also (I heard) because certain anchor mobs spawn there with better rates.

However... I have also seen VR12s jumping in and without any concern for the unfortunate lowbies around trying to get their freaking job done, starting spamming their uber skills one-shooting everything in micro-seconds. I call this a pathetic display of "asshattery".

On the other hand I have also seen powerful VRs, who are a lot more helpful and "compassionate", who while trying to get credit for their own achievement, will actually help the lowbies complete their task, either by providing healing support, using moderate dps so that the lowbies can get a few hits on mobs, gain and hold the aggro of anchor mobs, and so on. Hats off to those chaps!

In the end, it all depends on the person. Either you are a **** and act accordingly or you are not. "Increased power brings increased responsibility", but not when you are a jerk.

In fact, it all depends on the low level player. Either he has no idea what he's doing and I don't see why I should waste time with him (specially when you know all the info is available out there with google), either he knows what he is doing and he actually seizes the moment and the effortless free experience points that are handed to him on silver plater.

To you they might be jerks. To them you're probably just a noob.

some of us, I believe, want to do the work to get the credit. With great risk comes great reward.

Molisin01 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

Most will say they do it for achievements, fair enough, because it is so much easier to waste a low level dolmen than a VR one, and also (I heard) because certain anchor mobs spawn there with better rates.

However... I have also seen VR12s jumping in and without any concern for the unfortunate lowbies around trying to get their freaking job done, starting spamming their uber skills one-shooting everything in micro-seconds. I call this a pathetic display of "asshattery".

On the other hand I have also seen powerful VRs, who are a lot more helpful and "compassionate", who while trying to get credit for their own achievement, will actually help the lowbies complete their task, either by providing healing support, using moderate dps so that the lowbies can get a few hits on mobs, gain and hold the aggro of anchor mobs, and so on. Hats off to those chaps!

In the end, it all depends on the person. Either you are a **** and act accordingly or you are not. "Increased power brings increased responsibility", but not when you are a jerk.

In fact, it all depends on the low level player. Either he has no idea what he's doing and I don't see why I should waste time with him (specially when you know all the info is available out there with google), either he knows what he is doing and he actually seizes the moment and the effortless free experience points that are handed to him on silver plater.

To you they might be jerks. To them you're probably just a noob.

some of us, I believe, want to do the work to get the credit. With great risk comes great reward.

I wouldn't have even responded to him. lol at calling people noobs. Clearly being vet ranked makes you superior.... in an imaginary world.