Access to Enemy Starter Gates Not Fixed! [Vid]

Lowbei · July 2014

its a good thing the police and fbi dont have policies against naming and shaming, or no crimes would be solved ever.

pd : "ok who shot you sir?"

victim : "it was Ja..."

pd : "whoa whoa excuse me sir, no names please!"

victim : "oh, well then it was a bad guy"

pd : "thanks, we will get right on that!"

Tintinabula · July 2014

Zadian wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Finding glitches isn't cheating. …

"Sorry officer I just wanted to see if it's possible to break into that bank. I was surprised that I could break into that bank and while I was there I wanted to see what else was possible. I swear I did it only to notify authorities about the security problems in that bank…"

Yea right ;-)

"Sorry officer, I had to check if it was still possible and if it's repeatable. Really I'm doing this just to make security better…"

I didn't say "looking for a glitch'. I said "finding one'..happening upon one? It happens quite a bit to me..and then...I report it and i do NOT exploit it for my gain.

beka · July 2014

HazardousNovex wrote: »

So much QQ.. Who really cares? Exploiting is the nature of human beings and that's not going to change anytime soon.

Your fact is not.

Find better people with whom to associate and you may learn this for yourself.

Columba · July 2014

zScars wrote: »

who admitted to something? i didn't see any admittisions

People in zone admitted to this. I read it in zone chat.

zScars · July 2014

admitted wat

Columba · July 2014

Lol, we are slow aren't we? They admitted to getting into the spawn area, admitted to placing a camp there, admitted to using forward camp there, and admitted to killing enemies there. All 4 actions performed in the area the GM designated as illicit.

the spelling is what, not wat.

badmojo · July 2014

It's sad how many people want to use the ban hammer on stuff like this. What if some poor guy just turned level 10, went to Cyrodiil and didn't understand that the camp was in a forbidden zone? I'm not saying nobody is guilty of abusing this, but blanket bans for anyone who did this isn't the answer.

Lowbei · July 2014

if it wasnt the same guy trolling the thread, id say ban is unnecessary.

either way, the thread proves zos' stance on the subject of exploiting, which will be useful in the future

Tintinabula · July 2014

You are taking the absolute extreme 0.01% of ppl who used an FC(if there are any level 10s who actually even exist who accidentally did this) and are trying to use that as argument against banning those who we have pictures of farming?..Videos of farming? who are vet 12...who did it before and after patch..who were reported repeatedly?...comon back to reality.

Lowbei · July 2014

the only thing i can guess is....

we cannot ban the repeat offender, despite clear evidence, because our ban is an aoe and we might hit some low levels who accidentally took the port?

badmojo · July 2014

Except they're not really doing anything wrong as a player. The game is setup so those areas are heavily defended, these people found a way to bypass that, therefore it seems wrong to just ban them all because a few people are upset about it happening.

If ZOS came out and said they weren't fixing it, and nobody was allowed to do this, and if we see someone doing it, we should report them, sure, then I could understand just banning everyone. The developers messed up and left a door open, you can't really punish the player for walking through.

That doesn't mean I think these guys are great for the game and community. It seems really rude and childish to exploit a bug like this for all its worth, but so is spamming your abilities while not in combat, people have every right to be a rude, inconsiderate person. If the game allows this, nobody should be banned for it, ZOS need to fix their game.

Cody · July 2014

Minnesinger wrote: »

A common sense should say not to do this. I fully understand people who have suffrered from this. I never saw any in our zone (AD) nor did I venture into the enemy safe zones. I guess some people must be told repeatedly what can be done. This game needs online GM.

if they would just get GMS in when this crap started happening, and ban/suspend/warn those people, the cheating would decrease quite a lot.

Tintinabula · July 2014

Those areas are NOT heavily defended.
Not one NPC aggros you from the starter area.

Your argument works for the invincible bug. "Well i found a way to bypass dieing,I only killed two or three hundred other players. PvP happens"

This was supposedly addressed last patch and NOT for cosmetic reasons but because it is wrong. The SAME players abusing it before are abusing it now.

badmojo · July 2014

The gates with mages, the high walls, the whole design of those areas are a heavy defense. There's no offensive NPCs behind the walls because the enemy is not supposed to be able to get back there, the game is broken, that's not a players fault.

It's like the speed glitch associated with batswarm, it wasn't really nice to other players if you abused that glitch, but it's not grounds for banning. If the game lets you do things that aren't fair, the game needs to change, banning people for doing those things is the wrong approach.

Tintinabula · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

The gates with mages, the high walls, the whole design of those areas are a heavy defense. There's no offensive NPCs behind the walls because the enemy is not supposed to be able to get back there, the game is broken, that's not a players fault.

It's like the speed glitch associated with batswarm, it wasn't really nice to other players if you abused that glitch, but it's not grounds for banning. If the game lets you do things that aren't fair, the game needs to change, banning people for doing those things is the wrong approach.

Of course its not the players fault that the game is broken.. The players fault begins when they take advantage of that broken terrain in order to advance their game. Do you really not understand that?

"Its not my fault I found the bank walls down. I didn't do it..so...I walked right in and took what I wanted..still not my fault right? I don't have to take responsibility for stealing from the bank cause I didn't have to break in or hold a gun on anyone...right?"

NO...Not right.

badmojo · July 2014

What if a bank truck failed to lock it's door and money was flying out the back of it, would you want to arrest everyone who picked it up or followed it? Sure, the right thing to do is report it and turn in the money, but failing to do that is not a crime.

Tintinabula · July 2014

Do you wanna bet? if those people are caught on video how much do you want to bet that the Local police will not visit them and ask for that money back and if they don't they will face criminal prosecution?

badmojo · July 2014

So... why not let ZOS warn the people who abuse these glitches. Why demand that the first response be a ban?

You honestly expect people not to pick up money that is blowing in the wind? You honestly expect people not to enter the gate area if it's possible?

You're calling for harsh punishments for people doing things that are human nature.

Tintinabula · July 2014

why are you under the impression that this is the first warning? This has been reported and talked about and documented for a month now. The last big patch was supposed to address this so they couldn't re enter and I have screenshots of the SAME people who were doing it before and they are doing it now.

Do you comprehend the term "repeat offender"?

badmojo · July 2014

What would banning these people do? It certainly wouldn't fix the problem of being able to get into the area.

lathbury · July 2014

ThyIronFist wrote: »

The thing is though, if Zenimax would ban every player that exploited, emperor farmed, had the speed bug once or twice... PvP would not have many players left.

Erm good

lathbury · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

What would banning these people do? It certainly wouldn't fix the problem of being able to get into the area.

If they posted the reason they were banned it would act as a deterrent/warning. It would also improve the game for the majority of players who aren't exploiting.

Tintinabula · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

What would banning these people do? It certainly wouldn't fix the problem of being able to get into the area.

No it wouldn't fix the problem of the terrain glitch. Players who pay their hard earned money need to know that the contract we signed when agreeing to the TOS is a binding contract and that contract works both ways.

ZoS has an obligation to non offenders to live up to their end of the TOS.

It would also send a clear message to all players that: " If you find a bug or glitch, you do not exploit it. You report it. If you are caught exploiting this bug you will be banned. If you are caught repeatedly exploiting this bug after an initial temporary ban you will be permanently banned from the game. AKA your computers IP will be blocked from accessing the games servers."

zScars · July 2014

you try to hard

$Infraction$ · July 2014

Man took some time off and come back to see the same ole same ole....

Cody · August 2014

badmojo wrote: »

What would banning these people do? It certainly wouldn't fix the problem of being able to get into the area.

it would be a warning and an example to others that would try to abuse it.
if money were to fall out of a bank truck, and you tried to take it, and got caught doing it, you may very well get visited by some cops. that money is bank property; its not your money. you could get in trouble for it. you also may not, but does not mean its not wrong to do it. just because its not your fault the money fell out, does not mean you should steal it. same concept with these bugs

just because its not the players fault the game is bugged, does not mean the player should exploit it. these people have been video taped, screen shotted, reported, and pretty much insulted, for the past month. that is warning enough. heck, some players even have NAMES of some of these exploiters! if people are continuing to exploit the bug, a month after it started, they clearly will not pay attention to an "offfical" warning. they need to be punished, so an example can be set for any one else who is thinking of trying to do this nonsense. you are trying to excuse cheating(and thievery, for that matter) that in itself is wrong. if these people are not punished, then will these cheaters ever stop cheating? NO.

zScars · August 2014

Columba wrote: »

Lol, we are slow aren't we? They admitted to getting into the spawn area, admitted to placing a camp there, admitted to using forward camp there, and admitted to killing enemies there. All 4 actions performed in the area the GM designated as illicit.

the spelling is what, not wat.

who u finna try

kijima · August 2014

As much as a ban would be nice, it's not going to happen. Two things that need to happen are:

1. Fix the issue of being able to get into 'safe' areas.
2. Implement a warning system. i.e. Do it once, you get warned, do it twice your account gets reset and your character goes back to level 1, do it 3 times and you are gone forever.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · August 2014

kijima wrote: »

As much as a ban would be nice, it's not going to happen. Two things that need to happen are:

1. Fix the issue of being able to get into 'safe' areas.
2. Implement a warning system. i.e. Do it once, you get warned, do it twice your account gets reset and your character goes back to level 1, do it 3 times and you are gone forever.

Some people are at 2nd and 3rd strikes already. The tos rule should be enough of a warning not to exploit this bug or the other bugs that have been exploited. A launch screen warning would have been nice, but we were warned the moment we accepted the tos.

Zadian · August 2014

How about in-game punishment for cheaters?

First offense: all campaign points removed (no emp for this player)
Second offense: + KOS in PvE (just to add fun in PvE) for 1 week; 1 week randomly activating debuff in PvP that makes it very easy to kill the player, Cyrodiil money removed (can't buy new siege weapons or PvP gear)
Third offense: PvP debuff and KOS for 1 month, higher chance to get the debuff

Maybe add a swarm of flies that follow the offender everywhere even if he's in hide - he's a filthy cheater after all.

Wouldn't that be fun?
"Oh, you killed people in a save zone? I can kill you while you try to craft something in PvE (save zone)". Just like the "PvE" justice system: If you don't want to participate in that PvP justice system, don't be a criminal.
If someone cheats and gets caught he still can keep playing the game, but it will be a bit less funny for him and he will get no rewards for cheating.