Access to Enemy Starter Gates Not Fixed! [Vid]

zScars

wasn't against tos @ the time, zos_jessica even said

Columba

It was a few nights ago, which is the subject.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are looking at some fixes for getting into these areas via forward camps or wayshrines as well as communicating with the CS team to see what can be done.

Suspensions and bans can be done, if this is in fact a AAA mmo with a ToS that is enforced.

krim

Tintinabula wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Cant believe half of you even pvp..

Not for sure who this is meant for...but PvP is not an FFA in ESO. If it were I'd gladly sit and camp the very same people as they spawned in who do this for giggles.

If you want PvP to be a free for all..state it..make it simple.. and clear so that everyone understands "there are no rules".

Then we can have the same fun as these _____________ are having.

I dont think FFA has anything to do with it. But what i have a problem with is everyone going on a BAN hammer rage because some people are what you call "Exploiting" into safe zones. Its amusing really and reminds me of that saying we used to say. PVP HAPPENED ON A PVP SERVER. Theres always someone that gets mad enough because their virtual character died.

Im all for getting the issue fixed i personally have never done it. But to cry BAN for something like this is wrong.

zScars

Columba wrote: »

It was a few nights ago, which is the subject.

what happened a few nights ago

Tintinabula

krim wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Cant believe half of you even pvp..

Not for sure who this is meant for...but PvP is not an FFA in ESO. If it were I'd gladly sit and camp the very same people as they spawned in who do this for giggles.

If you want PvP to be a free for all..state it..make it simple.. and clear so that everyone understands "there are no rules".

Then we can have the same fun as these _____________ are having.

I dont think FFA has anything to do with it. But what i have a problem with is everyone going on a BAN hammer rage because some people are what you call "Exploiting" into safe zones. Its amusing really and reminds me of that saying we used to say. PVP HAPPENED ON A PVP SERVER. Theres always someone that gets mad enough because their virtual character died.

Im all for getting the issue fixed i personally have never done it. But to cry BAN for something like this is wrong.

When did PVP = cheating?? When did PvP magically transform into finding bugs and using those bugs to take an unfair advantage over your opponent and kill them? I didn't get the memo. There's a spirit of PvP where I meet you on the battlefield and we go at it on the battlefield. On the battlefield we go into hide..we use the terrain to our advantage..on the battlefield.

Safe zones where people zone into Cyrodiil are NOT the battlefield (maybe YOU didn't get the memo) The spirit of PvP has totally been trashed with skirting around terrain glitches to sneak into a "safe zone" and farm the unsuspecting.(Is that what you call PvP?) These guys might as well hack the code and figure out how to plane clip their way into other alliance PvE zones and kill players while they PvE.

There is a REASON quests boards are in the starting area. There is a REASON crafting tables are in the starting area..so that people can craft and take quests and open up various windows without the _________fear of being ganked. Got it?

I shouldn't have to explain this to you..I don't know if you're failing at playing devils advocate. I don't care that some random dev called it a gray area.

It is not.

I KNOW it's not right. I don't believe the liars who say they accidentally slept walked their way into the starter zone and went on a killing spree dropping siege and forward camps and didn't know any better.

The right thing to do is as clear as day to those who know what the right thing is.To all those other who fail at ethics..it may be gray.

Good day.

krim

Tintinabula wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Cant believe half of you even pvp..

Not for sure who this is meant for...but PvP is not an FFA in ESO. If it were I'd gladly sit and camp the very same people as they spawned in who do this for giggles.

If you want PvP to be a free for all..state it..make it simple.. and clear so that everyone understands "there are no rules".

Then we can have the same fun as these _____________ are having.

I dont think FFA has anything to do with it. But what i have a problem with is everyone going on a BAN hammer rage because some people are what you call "Exploiting" into safe zones. Its amusing really and reminds me of that saying we used to say. PVP HAPPENED ON A PVP SERVER. Theres always someone that gets mad enough because their virtual character died.

Im all for getting the issue fixed i personally have never done it. But to cry BAN for something like this is wrong.

When did PVP = cheating?? When did PvP magically transform into finding bugs and using those bugs to take an unfair advantage over your opponent and kill them? I didn't get the memo. There's a spirit of PvP where I meet you on the battlefield and we go at it on the battlefield. On the battlefield we go into hide..we use the terrain to our advantage..on the battlefield.

Safe zones where people zone into Cyrodiil are NOT the battlefield (maybe YOU didn't get the memo) The spirit of PvP has totally been trashed with skirting around terrain glitches to sneak into a "safe zone" and farm the unsuspecting.(Is that what you call PvP?) These guys might as well hack the code and figure out how to plane clip their way into other alliance PvE zones and kill players while they PvE.

There is a REASON quests boards are in the starting area. There is a REASON crafting tables are in the starting area..so that people can craft and take quests and open up various windows without the _________fear of being ganked. Got it?

I shouldn't have to explain this to you..I don't know if you're failing at playing devils advocate. I don't care that some random dev called it a gray area.

It is not.

I KNOW it's not right. I don't believe the liars who say they accidentally slept walked their way into the starter zone and went on a killing spree dropping siege and forward camps and didn't know any better.

The right thing to do is as clear as day to those who know what the right thing is.To all those other who fail at ethics..it may be gray.

Good day.

Oh my gosh Tina it is what it is im not arguing with you about whats wrong and whats right. I know how to follow the games rules. At the same time i dont think its CHEATING by killing people in the starting zone, thats just pvp like i said. So maybe you guys should just try to kill them next time they are in your starter zone.

If he got in running on walls or using a skill within the game i dont think thats cheating. If he hacked his way in, then that deserves a BAN. Just like any hacker/real cheater.

Columba

zScars wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

It was a few nights ago, which is the subject.

what happened a few nights ago

scroll up. a few DC were bragging in zone chat how they managed to put a fc up in the enemy spawn area. wink wink.

Falrin_ESO

So wait... is that how that one guy on Wabbajack is leading the scoreboards by so much? I actually switched campaigns because if one person is ahead of the next person down by 3 million points (with them being an opposing faction) is just unfair to every member of that alliance. ( I am EP and I am just shocked)

I am sorry AD on Wabbajack, but you'll never become emperor. Seeing as it is really hard to compete with the 8 million + points.

krim

Falrin_ESO wrote: »

So wait... is that how that one guy on Wabbajack is leading the scoreboards by so much? I actually switched campaigns because if one person is ahead of the next person down by 3 million points (with them being an opposing faction) is just unfair to every member of that alliance. ( I am EP and I am just shocked)

I am sorry AD on Wabbajack, but you'll never become emperor. Seeing as it is really hard to compete with the 8 million + points.

No its not, and dont be sorry hes a good emp to the AD people of Wabajack.

Columba

Falrin_ESO wrote: »

So wait... is that how that one guy on Wabbajack is leading the scoreboards by so much? I actually switched campaigns because if one person is ahead of the next person down by 3 million points (with them being an opposing faction) is just unfair to every member of that alliance. ( I am EP and I am just shocked)

I am sorry AD on Wabbajack, but you'll never become emperor. Seeing as it is really hard to compete with the 8 million + points.

Nope, he definitely did not cheat.

Tintinabula

read the thread..look at the videos..read the name in the videos..read the reply from the player admitting to doing this.

This is not even about AD emp.

zScars

who admitted to something? i didn't see any admittisions

Tintinabula

zScars wrote: »

i can post videos from before the patch too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjFRHjGDDHM

Thanx for reminding me..now its quoted....for posterity

zScars

k?

Minnesinger

A common sense should say not to do this. I fully understand people who have suffrered from this. I never saw any in our zone (AD) nor did I venture into the enemy safe zones. I guess some people must be told repeatedly what can be done. This game needs online GM.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

krim wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Cant believe half of you even pvp..

Not for sure who this is meant for...but PvP is not an FFA in ESO. If it were I'd gladly sit and camp the very same people as they spawned in who do this for giggles.

If you want PvP to be a free for all..state it..make it simple.. and clear so that everyone understands "there are no rules".

Then we can have the same fun as these _____________ are having.

I dont think FFA has anything to do with it. But what i have a problem with is everyone going on a BAN hammer rage because some people are what you call "Exploiting" into safe zones. Its amusing really and reminds me of that saying we used to say. PVP HAPPENED ON A PVP SERVER. Theres always someone that gets mad enough because their virtual character died.

Im all for getting the issue fixed i personally have never done it. But to cry BAN for something like this is wrong.

When did PVP = cheating?? When did PvP magically transform into finding bugs and using those bugs to take an unfair advantage over your opponent and kill them? I didn't get the memo. There's a spirit of PvP where I meet you on the battlefield and we go at it on the battlefield. On the battlefield we go into hide..we use the terrain to our advantage..on the battlefield.

Safe zones where people zone into Cyrodiil are NOT the battlefield (maybe YOU didn't get the memo) The spirit of PvP has totally been trashed with skirting around terrain glitches to sneak into a "safe zone" and farm the unsuspecting.(Is that what you call PvP?) These guys might as well hack the code and figure out how to plane clip their way into other alliance PvE zones and kill players while they PvE.

There is a REASON quests boards are in the starting area. There is a REASON crafting tables are in the starting area..so that people can craft and take quests and open up various windows without the _________fear of being ganked. Got it?

I shouldn't have to explain this to you..I don't know if you're failing at playing devils advocate. I don't care that some random dev called it a gray area.

It is not.

I KNOW it's not right. I don't believe the liars who say they accidentally slept walked their way into the starter zone and went on a killing spree dropping siege and forward camps and didn't know any better.

The right thing to do is as clear as day to those who know what the right thing is.To all those other who fail at ethics..it may be gray.

Good day.

Oh my gosh Tina it is what it is im not arguing with you about whats wrong and whats right. I know how to follow the games rules. At the same time i dont think its CHEATING by killing people in the starting zone, thats just pvp like i said. So maybe you guys should just try to kill them next time they are in your starter zone.

If he got in running on walls or using a skill within the game i dont think thats cheating. If he hacked his way in, then that deserves a BAN. Just like any hacker/real cheater.

Its cheating because we arent supposed to be able to even get into enemy starting areas. Simply being in one wheter you attack anyone or not means a bug or glitch in something as taken advantage of or a hack as used. Thats where it became a cheat.

So killing people in their safe zones is in fact cheating.

Tintinabula

Finding glitches isn't cheating. Of course not. I would go as far as to say that using the glitch to get into the starter area to test the extent of the glitch while reporting it isn't even a cheat. ( I would like to think this is the famous "gray area" that all those perpetrators are clinging to.)

However..repeatedly using that glitch to get in to starter areas (before and after patch) and on top of that killing and farming multiple players while in the starting area IS a cheat. (we just went from gray to black as night).

These videos don't show ppl finding the secret way to get into the starting area..oh no!..These vids show them waaaay after the fact killing and attacking multiple players while occasionally getting ap. That is "the cheat".

Hope that clears things up for all the "gray area" enthusiasts.

HazardousNovex

So much QQ.. Who really cares? Exploiting is the nature of human beings and that's not going to change anytime soon.

Minnesinger

I care. I need a place to be AFK while I eat pizza.

ThyIronFist

The thing is though, if Zenimax would ban every player that exploited, emperor farmed, had the speed bug once or twice... PvP would not have many players left.

Minnesinger

Zenimax need to think all those players who feel exploiting ruins the general mood in the game. If no action is never taken against cheaters there will soon be only the rotten fruits left in the basket. Who are more important to this game, the big mass of casual/ honest players or the few who look for holes in the game mechanics/ ToS. That is simply disturbing that some r12s sneak into the safe zones to farm other players. I see it is as a big letdown for those who also pay to play this game. If I wanna pay monthly fee plus the game I wanna have rules applied so that the whole experience isn´t ruined by some. That shouldn´t be even questioned.

Lowbei

the clear message is that they will not do anything about current exploits.

so if you find a way to exploit into their safe zone to kill them, thats legit.

thanks for the clarification.

Zadian

Tintinabula wrote: »

Finding glitches isn't cheating. …

"Sorry officer I just wanted to see if it's possible to break into that bank. I was surprised that I could break into that bank and while I was there I wanted to see what else was possible. I swear I did it only to notify authorities about the security problems in that bank…"

Yea right ;-)

"Sorry officer, I had to check if it was still possible and if it's repeatable. Really I'm doing this just to make security better…"

ZOS_BrianWheeler

We've gotten in touch with CS and they will be monitoring starting locations.

couchkyle25_ESO

Zeni...are you serious? Your going to do NOTHING to these people? NO actions taken at all? How can you not see the issue with this? If you Ban ppl for this crap, like you should be doing according to your own TOS, it would stop right away!

Lord_Draevan

It might have been a "gray area" at first, but on June 30th ZOS set up (or thought they had) insta-kill barriers around the inner Gate walls and starter areas, in their words "Fixed instances where you were not being killed when passing through these areas". If you were meant to be able to get in there, they wouldn't have done it. Thus, it is an exploit and violates the TOS and these people should be banned, whether temporarily or permanently is up to ZOS.
I don't know why they hesitate on this. If you're accused of botting you get banned usually within the day, but with this they drag their feet? I don't see why.

Stonesthrow

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We've gotten in touch with CS and they will be monitoring starting locations.

Thanks for taking the time to keep us updated!

Have done most of the PvE content and just started to stick the little toe into Cyrodill this past week, I can only concentrate on one thing at a time ya see… so it is good to know that issues as nasty as this are being addressed.

Safe Zone = Safe Zone… regardless of what a bug or glitch or exploit allows you to do.

Pretty sure you could set up something to track wether an opposing faction has crossed a particular "line" in the game… something that could set of an internal alarm allowing you to pop in and see what's up?

Lowbei

their stance on the issue of exploits seems clear to me.

GunemCleric

It is bad to see yet another case of cheating. Unfortunately ZOS has proven beyond any reasonable doubt the that they do not consider anything as cheating if you can do it in game from your keyboard, i.e. not hacking. There are huge number of vids and posts both bragging about and recording cheaters/exploiters who are not only unpunished, but actually rewarded by being permitted to keep their ill-gotten gains.

[dropped TOS quote due to wrong section]

And yet I still see people who have cheated (and reported), repeatedly, running around (a statement in itself) not cheating anymore (every case i can think of was because the exploit was fixed). Not only that, in case no one was paying attention, they had to get someone to monitor the starting areas, which at best meant they had to redirect their attention, but likely implies a lot more inattention in general.

ZOS has shown that they only, selectively enforce the rules/terms, which is noted in their terms, but appear to have no interest in enforcing the spirit of the rules (the spirit of the rules would normally be reason why a company would not enforce the stated rules/terms, i.e. no excuse in this case).

There is always a very small chance that they actually enforce a couple rules, but without a crime report (e.g. we banned x players for y) there is no deterrent . But you better not say any bad words or tattle on bad people