Why Do people support cheapness lies and lazyness in the gaming industry?

Kronosphere · July 2014

i dont get it? people throw money at CoD, suck up to EA, Ubisoft and all these useless companies. they throw money at them and always come crawling back. pre orders with extra dlc on day 1 that should come with the game, bonus this and that, unfinished games. copy pasted games (looking at you cod) the list of offences go on.

do people not realize, in rewarding this laziness you are quite literally killing gaming. the future will not have any good games. this is literally reverse evolution. the weakest survive, carry on and get even weaker. one day i will look back and even envy candy crush at this rate.

people (like me) pick up on this and it absolutely boggles my mind that people defend these horrible actions by companies. i will not name names but for example a forum popped by a fellow complaining about ESO breaking so much lore. and so he god damn should have. it is not hard to simply read up on said lore, and plan the game accordingly before a single line of code has been written. to not do this i would imagine would be the utmost and absolute laziest "i dont give a flying guar dung - give me your money" attitude. this person is absolutely right in criticizing zos for not caring for the lore. and someone replied and said how they hate lore mongers they complain and complain etc etc. i just cant comprehend how can you support the people creating things to not care about what they are creating? do u not recognize this as a base bad quality in a person(entity?)? do u also think people should stop complaining about all the greedy ceo's that bought america to their economical knees? STOP. SUPPORTING. NEGATIVE TRAITS!

venting complete.

also dont get me wrong i love u zos but come on i hope u broke lore only due to a release date and are planning on fixing this in the future. dont be one of those companies who cant say they messed up so continue to do the wrong thing out of a misguided self pride. to people not really into the lore or games or who dont really love it, i get why you dont care, but you should not be the norm. please zos, love your die hards 1st and foremost, and the masses will come. if u aim AT the masses, u will die a sad slow death eventually.

kieso · July 2014

If you read that whole thread as I did you'd realize not everyone agreed with the OP's lore perspective. Most people agreed that the TES lore is cloudy due to "history is written by the winners" and lots of lore that is created intentionally as hearsay. So for me; who is someone who likes lore but inst a lore stickler I read the various lore in ESO and other games and think; "cool, some backstory." and move on.

BBSooner · July 2014

The lore thread you're speaking of (assuming it's the thread you made a similar post to this one in) was discussed, and (by admission of the OP) is within the bounds of established lore. ZOS has done it's research with the lore.

There are minor breaks occasionally, but on the whole things are correct to a surprising detail.

LariahHunding · July 2014

There is a couple of keys on the keyboard, [Shift]. Learn to use them at the proper place, although you look like you found [Cap Locks].

Makes me ignore anything you have written.

Kronosphere · July 2014

BBSooner wrote: »

The lore thread you're speaking of (assuming it's the thread you madea similar post to this one in) was discussed, and (by admission of the OP) is within the bounds of established lore. ZOS has done it's research with the lore.

even if the op said that, my point (the other one not directed at zos but in general) still stands. i will catch up on it tomorrow (bedtime now

) but there are still alot of un-lore friendly things in the game. i admit i am a little harsh but that is because i care so much and am passionate about the game. (and hell anytime someone brings up EA who doesnt jsut get flat p____ed off?)

LtCrunch · July 2014

Tiber Septim achieved Chim. /discussion

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

Kronosphere wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

The lore thread you're speaking of (assuming it's the thread you madea similar post to this one in) was discussed, and (by admission of the OP) is within the bounds of established lore. ZOS has done it's research with the lore.

even if the op said that, my point (the other one not directed at zos but in general) still stands. i will catch up on it tomorrow (bedtime now ) but there are still alot of un-lore friendly things in the game. i admit i am a little harsh but that is because i care so much and am passionate about the game. (and hell anytime someone brings up EA who doesnt jsut get flat p____ed off?)

There's passionate, and then there's raving.

ZO already has a loremaster on their staff. He actually was the one who MC'd the video about the Imperial Edition, if you can cast your memory back a whole 5 months. They consulted heavily with Bethesda's lore team, and the game is well within the established bounds of the Elder Scrolls world.

Slaunyeh · July 2014

Loaded question is loaded. Obviously, the answer to your question, OP, is: Because everyone but you is an idiot!

(or, to put it another way: "Uh, we do?")

Chillic · July 2014

Because I get 50+ hours a month of fun for 14.99

gurluasb16_ESO · July 2014

While I disagree with this specific case, I do agree that many people are stupid and lets themselves be milked with bad content. A good example is Wow, which has been going downhill in quality since Wotlk, and yet a lot of people still buy it.
WOD is worse than Cata so far, and yet a lot of people blindly preordered it and intends to play it.

I guess they're impulse purchases or a matter of loyalty.

Trouvo · July 2014

The thread in which you mention the op even admits there are a couple points in which he was unaware and gladly as well as civily accepted and understood such things. The discussion was very civil well thought out for the most part and was well countered by Endodoc(sorry if spelling not quite right)

Sotha_Sil · July 2014

seriously ??? a post about lore breaking ?? again ???

I think this is really overeacting. The game is following the lore perfectly and some little inexactitudes come from the fact that the LORE ITSELF is not clear. And so we see those people complaining that the lore is not respected by ZOS believeing they know everything. This attitude - "I know better" really upsets me and I think you should get moderated for not respecting the code of conduct.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · July 2014

If you're not smart enough to realize why the lore "differences" are there, that's on you. Not the game. ALL of the lore fits with TES. Cloudy history is cloudy.

kieso · July 2014

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

seriously ??? a post about lore breaking ?? again ???

.

^

irony

zdkazz · July 2014

@Brandolf
Ah CHIM, I have a theory about that...

let me preference this as my views on vivecs teaching, the godhead and Chim in the elder scrolls i see it much like how i see the ending of Marathon infinity(heres the link if you are interested… http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/34563)

Chim is the state of understanding that you are just a figment of imagination, and the ability to keep your individuality once knowing this. now lets dissect this in a logical processes:

it is stated in vivecs teachings that he has seen the godhead, the sleeper in his isolation, in his sensory deprivation, it says that all things, Anu, paomay, sithus, the aedra and deadra are all just his dream
appon reaching this conclusion the person vivec, tiber septim and lokhan all keep there individuality, this allows them to reshape the land and world as they see fit.
it is said that at one point the dream will no longer need the sleeper
now, lets make some comparisons, (just stay with me) the developers are the godhead, we are also the godhead(as shown by the true meaning of god by vivecs understanding is “I”) menaing the world is created and dreamed by not only the devs but also us…it also means that we who play the game are in the world, thus we are vivec, tiber septim and Lokhan, we can change our appearance to suit ourselves(vivec) make the world as we see fit(Lokhan) and reshape the land in a breath of royalty(tiber septim) and the final point is when they said that at some point the dream will no longer need the dreamer, this i think is the ultimate goal, they wish to create something with us so magical that it no longer is needed to be developed, as we take it into history, much like dnd 100 years down the road will still be around, or like wow (like it or not) has become an ingrained part of our society they want to help us take the elder scrolls into such a legendary place that even if they made no more games the game would continue breathing and living without them. the dream no longer needing the sleeper...

zdkazz · July 2014

as for es lore it ranges wildly, people say theres that dosent fit the game and yet we had games like the elder scrolls adventures redgaurd where this happened...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-y69ELWNyA&app=desktop

i am a lore buff and have written tons of articles on uesp, played and beat all the es games(battlespire and redgaurd included) and i have found almost all the lorebooks ingame in eso (irks me tht the last few ellude me lol)and i have yet to find any lore books that were lore breaking...

Nox_Aeterna · July 2014

Same reason tons defend zen is right in giving the dog only to steam users. Many dont think it is relevant , until it becomes a huge issue and punches them right in the face.

Go to steam now and see that two of the most sold games are Far Cry4 and AC Unity , that tells you all you need to know.

Chillic · July 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Same reason tons defend zen is right in giving the dog only to steam users. Many dont think it is relevant , until it becomes a huge issue and punches them right in the face.

Go to steam now and see that two of the most sold games are Far Cry4 and AC Unity , that tells you all you need to know.

That the majority of sales occurred before it was released on Steam?

KhajitFurTrader · July 2014

gurluasb16_ESO wrote: »

While I disagree with this specific case, I do agree that many people are stupid and lets themselves be milked with bad content. A good example is Wow, which has been going downhill in quality since Wotlk, and yet a lot of people still buy it.
WOD is worse than Cata so far, and yet a lot of people blindly preordered it and intends to play it.

I guess they're impulse purchases or a matter of loyalty.

Or it's because people like me still like the game after 9 years, even if the enjoyment stems from whole new/other ways than at the start, and still think they're getting their money's worth. Your opinion of a perceived quality decline (while I'd agree that it has certainly changed, and rightly so) is just that: your opinion. It's totally OK for you to have it, I won't even try to convince you otherwise, because it's obvious that no-one but yourself can give you and allow you to have the same level of fun that I still get from playing it. So there. ^_^

Trouble usually arises when people start saying: "If you're not in the same boat with me, then you must be an idiot." At this point, a discussion usually ceases to be an open-minded exchange of ideas and opinions, and declines into a battle of one-upmanship. It's futile to continue, then.

But back on topic: While I haven't monitored the thread that seemed to have inspired the OP, I think there's a fine line between criticising something (i.e. a sort of behaviour), and raving about it. Which the OP has crossed. Next thing you'll know the word "sheeple" gets uttered. At which point my statement made above kicks in.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · July 2014

I have no idea what prompted this thread's rant. I assume it's about this still-open thread, but I don't get it:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/123147/why-does-this-game-insist-on-totally-breaking-the-lore

kieso · July 2014

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

I have no idea what prompted this thread's rant.

We're all at work and bored.. hah

Tandor · July 2014

Why Do people support cheapness lies and lazyness in the gaming industry?

Because we're so used to players posting on forums in that manner that it no longer bothers us.

Akula · July 2014

I no longer support posters that can't find the shift key.

ebondeath · July 2014

Because I want to. And there's nothing you can do about it. So nyeh.

Zionysus · July 2014

LariahHunding wrote: »

There is a couple of keys on the keyboard, [Shift]. Learn to use them at the proper place, although you look like you found [Cap Locks].

Makes me ignore anything you have written.

You correct his English writing, yet you have an incomplete sentence and a run on sentence.

LariahHunding · July 2014

Akula wrote: »

I no longer support posters that can't find the shift key.

Especially one that talks about lazy people when the poster is to lazy to use the shift key.

LadyNerevar · July 2014

Kronosphere wrote: »

i will not name names but for example a forum popped by a fellow complaining about ESO breaking so much lore. and so he god damn should have. it is not hard to simply read up on said lore, and plan the game accordingly before a single line of code has been written. to not do this i would imagine would be the utmost and absolute laziest "i dont give a flying guar dung - give me your money" attitude. this person is absolutely right in criticizing zos for not caring for the lore.

ZOS does care about lore - there is too much good new stuff in the game, and too many references to old stuff, to pretend otherwise. Hell, they have a guy whose job title is Lead Loremaster - something Bethesda doesn't. But ZOS also cares about making a game, and sometimes, that means rewriting or ignoring previous lore. It sometimes means that their vision of lore is going to be different than your vision of lore, or my vision of lore. Hyperbolic, black and white statements like do no one any good.

Zionysus · July 2014

LariahHunding wrote: »

Akula wrote: »

I no longer support posters that can't find the shift key.

Especially one that talks about lazy people when the poster is to lazy to use the shift key.

Again you go after the op's English skills yet you don't know when to use the word "too."

MasterSpatula · July 2014

Zionysus wrote: »

LariahHunding wrote: »

Akula wrote: »

I no longer support posters that can't find the shift key.

Especially one that talks about lazy people when the poster is to lazy to use the shift key.

Again you go after the op's English skills yet you don't know when to use the word "too."

To be fair to @LariaHunding, failing to capitalize for an entire lengthy rant is significantly worse than one usage error.

Tandor · July 2014

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Zionysus wrote: »

LariahHunding wrote: »

Akula wrote: »

I no longer support posters that can't find the shift key.

Especially one that talks about lazy people when the poster is to lazy to use the shift key.

Again you go after the op's English skills yet you don't know when to use the word "too."

To be fair to @LariaHunding, failing to capitalize for an entire lengthy rant is significantly worse than one usage error.

As is accusing others of laziness when constantly using "u" instead of "you"

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Samadhi · July 2014

I cut ZOS all sorts of slack because I work as a moderator for the forums of a different game, which gives me some minor sense of how much *** gaming companies have to go through.

If it wasn't for constant and incessant whining on the forums, gaming companies could get much more done.

Also this:

mikeandsharrahub17_ESO wrote: »

Because I get 50+ hours a month of fun for 14.99

They can be cheap and lazy in supplying me with the cheapest and laziest hobby I have.
I pay more for photography supplies than I do for gaming; I expect more out of my photography supplies than I do from games.
If I expected more from gaming companies, I would also expect to pay more; so I'm fine with what I get for the pocket-change it costs me.
If I were dissatisfied with what I was getting for how much it costs me, I'd stop spending on it.