There's Treachery Afoot!

badmojo · July 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

"I do scout missions for downtime" do you really expect me to believe that? you are telling me, you. are on a dead campaign, where your alliance is already completely dominant, and you are doing scout mission, just for the heck of doing it? I hope you realize how..... screw it, ill say it, stupid, that sounds. you really like riding for 20-30 mins, and pressing "E" for hours, without stopping?

Oh look! More false assumptions about me.

I see your motives now. Go duel or something.

JackDaniell · July 2014

The Legend Dueling Code:

1. Respect - Members will not flame or put down any duelists.
2. Honor - This guild will not be used in any way to gain an advantage over your opponents in any campaign.

These are the guild rules. Members are removed form the guild if they are broken. Your forum post is void.

Agrippa_Invisus · July 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

OK. let me get this straight. you do scouting missions, in a campaign that is 100% controlled by your faction. you see a bunch of people dueling in some random place that just happens to be in your scouting path. so you decide to interfere with their dueling, I am going to assume you are actually serious(note I said, "assume" I really think you are just trolling, but im bored, so I will feed you)
and I will argue with you for a bit.

1. you sound paranoid and delusional; when you say these dueling grounds are really "drop off points". Instead of just saying they do, how about you "Stroll" on over there(without attacking, as im sure they will eventually grow tired of you and just steamroll you) and spy on them for a few hours(you play on a campaign, where all you do is scout missions for AP, you have nothing better to do) and see if they really DO use it as a "drop off point". if they actually DO, so be it. but you have yet to describe ANY instances where these people have teamed up and attacked a location near their dueling grounds, so im pretty sure they ARE NOT using it as a spawn point for an attack.

2. im curious. If these people changed their dueling ground location, would you leave them be, to play the game they are paying a sub model for, as they want? or would you spend all that time tracking them down, just to grieve them? you don't have to like what they do. but you also don't have to go grieve them just to (cant say it) them off, for the fun of it.

Some mighty big assumptions in that post. I like how I mention that their dueling grounds are directly in the path that everyone takes to scout Drakelowe, and suddenly all I do is farm AP in an empty campaign. No, I do that stuff in the down time, if EP would stop dueling and start attacking, I wouldn't even bother. If I really want some action, I'll guest on Wabba or DB. I certainly did not accumulate almost 400k score in the last few weeks by doing scouting missions over and over.

The comment I made about them taking Sejanus was just an example of how it does effect the rest of us. If we(open world PVP'ers) decide to post up at the EP gates to see where the enemy is going to attack next(and they do attack on Bloodthorn, despite what the dueling propagandists try to claim) we end up seeing a lot of people suiciding on our guards and I assume they revive at the dueling camp. Weather or not they want to duel, they have the option to spawn on those camps. If we don't burn the camps, they WILL be used against us at some point. Maybe not every time, maybe not all the time, but if we tolerate their presence, it will inevitably happen sooner or later. It's not the end of the world or anything, but to say dueling camps don't effect the rest of the campaign is utter nonsense.

If they changed their location to somewhere that was out of the way, I doubt I would go there as often as I do now. Currently they're doing their little duels out in the open, camp marked on map, for all to see. That's just asking for trouble. The DC duelers can't be bothered to ride their horses for two minutes from Sejanus keep, they have to have their camp placed 10meters from where they die. They make no effort to hide their activity, then they complain when I disrupt it.

so its literally DIRECTLY in your scout mission path? you cant go around, at all? that must really suck! "I do scout missions for downtime" do you really expect me to believe that? you are telling me, you. are on a dead campaign, where your alliance is already completely dominant, and you are doing scout mission, just for the heck of doing it? I hope you realize how..... screw it, ill say it, stupid, that sounds. you really like riding for 20-30 mins, and pressing "E" for hours, without stopping? "they took sej" so those two alliances teamed up, and took sej? is that what happened, or were you just not there and it was actually one alliance that just decided to have a go at it? please post a video of these alleged "traitors" working with your enemies taking sej.

Well, if red takes one flag of Sej and yellow takes the other, the outpost turns orange. Didn't you know that? It's a very nice shade of orange, too.

But really, they run scout missions to either a) get their reward rank to 3 for the campaign or b) the vague hope that one day Sunrest is deposed and they're the top of the leaderboard when it happens.

Halrloprillalar · July 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

OK. let me get this straight. you do scouting missions, in a campaign that is 100% controlled by your faction. you see a bunch of people dueling in some random place that just happens to be in your scouting path. so you decide to interfere with their dueling, I am going to assume you are actually serious(note I said, "assume" I really think you are just trolling, but im bored, so I will feed you)
and I will argue with you for a bit.

1. you sound paranoid and delusional; when you say these dueling grounds are really "drop off points". Instead of just saying they do, how about you "Stroll" on over there(without attacking, as im sure they will eventually grow tired of you and just steamroll you) and spy on them for a few hours(you play on a campaign, where all you do is scout missions for AP, you have nothing better to do) and see if they really DO use it as a "drop off point". if they actually DO, so be it. but you have yet to describe ANY instances where these people have teamed up and attacked a location near their dueling grounds, so im pretty sure they ARE NOT using it as a spawn point for an attack.

2. im curious. If these people changed their dueling ground location, would you leave them be, to play the game they are paying a sub model for, as they want? or would you spend all that time tracking them down, just to grieve them? you don't have to like what they do. but you also don't have to go grieve them just to (cant say it) them off, for the fun of it.

Some mighty big assumptions in that post. I like how I mention that their dueling grounds are directly in the path that everyone takes to scout Drakelowe, and suddenly all I do is farm AP in an empty campaign. No, I do that stuff in the down time, if EP would stop dueling and start attacking, I wouldn't even bother. If I really want some action, I'll guest on Wabba or DB. I certainly did not accumulate almost 400k score in the last few weeks by doing scouting missions over and over.

The comment I made about them taking Sejanus was just an example of how it does effect the rest of us. If we(open world PVP'ers) decide to post up at the EP gates to see where the enemy is going to attack next(and they do attack on Bloodthorn, despite what the dueling propagandists try to claim) we end up seeing a lot of people suiciding on our guards and I assume they revive at the dueling camp. Weather or not they want to duel, they have the option to spawn on those camps. If we don't burn the camps, they WILL be used against us at some point. Maybe not every time, maybe not all the time, but if we tolerate their presence, it will inevitably happen sooner or later. It's not the end of the world or anything, but to say dueling camps don't effect the rest of the campaign is utter nonsense.

If they changed their location to somewhere that was out of the way, I doubt I would go there as often as I do now. Currently they're doing their little duels out in the open, camp marked on map, for all to see. That's just asking for trouble. The DC duelers can't be bothered to ride their horses for two minutes from Sejanus keep, they have to have their camp placed 10meters from where they die. They make no effort to hide their activity, then they complain when I disrupt it.

so its literally DIRECTLY in your scout mission path? you cant go around, at all? that must really suck! "I do scout missions for downtime" do you really expect me to believe that? you are telling me, you. are on a dead campaign, where your alliance is already completely dominant, and you are doing scout mission, just for the heck of doing it? I hope you realize how..... screw it, ill say it, stupid, that sounds. you really like riding for 20-30 mins, and pressing "E" for hours, without stopping? "they took sej" so those two alliances teamed up, and took sej? is that what happened, or were you just not there and it was actually one alliance that just decided to have a go at it? please post a video of these alleged "traitors" working with your enemies taking sej.

Well, if red takes one flag of Sej and yellow takes the other, the outpost turns orange. Didn't you know that? It's a very nice shade of orange, too.

But really, they run scout missions to either a) get their reward rank to 3 for the campaign or b) the vague hope that one day Sunrest is deposed and they're the top of the leaderboard when it happens.

Orange, like a beautiful sunset (sunrest?)

Cody · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

"I do scout missions for downtime" do you really expect me to believe that? you are telling me, you. are on a dead campaign, where your alliance is already completely dominant, and you are doing scout mission, just for the heck of doing it? I hope you realize how..... screw it, ill say it, stupid, that sounds. you really like riding for 20-30 mins, and pressing "E" for hours, without stopping?

Oh look! More false assumptions about me.

I see your motives now. Go duel or something.

where is that video?

Cody · July 2014

if you cant provide video evidence, then all I can do, is assume you are being delusional and paranoid.

Cody · July 2014

and since you wont provide video proof, I wont waste anymore of my time.

badmojo · July 2014

Video evidence of what? I'm not accusing you of dueling, I suggested that you go do something rather than waste both our time.

Brizz · July 2014

I would love an option to make everyone (even ones own alliance) hostile so that I could enact my own justice instead of having to level another character.

This thread would then turn into a QQ thread. Followed by an "I quit" thread.... and then closed by zos.

Brizz · July 2014

And on that note, why is it ALWAYS DC that have to be the @$$holes?? Making us look bad...

badmojo · July 2014

Last night in bloodthorn, the DC dueling camp had an effect on the actual campaign progress. With a camp setup east of sejanus, we couldn't set up another because we were at the limit. This seemed like a deliberate & malicious act by the dueling community to sabotage our campaigns progress. It got even worse when people started setting up camps in stupid locations to block us from using them correctly.

You duelers are making enemies, LOTS of enemies.

ThisOnePosts · July 2014

That's called boosting, not dueling. They are full of it calling it dueling. That's how they raise their ranks and take turns Emperor swapping. Well that's one of the ways. I've heard people on Teamspeak in a friend's guild, say they call it dueling if anyone asks so they don't get named as boosters. So I find this hard to believe... either that or you are very very unlucky, but dueling would mean you are having a real fight and not taking turns killing each other.

For the record, I am completely against this. I have gone along to see what it's all about when invited, watched for a few minutes.... felt pity on these people for being so desperate for what I'd say is one of the worst titles in the game due to ("Former") , that they'd resort to hours upon hours of boosting and taking turns by taking keeps, then leaving them open so it gets taken back by another alliance, then take it back, rinse and repeat. Everyone is in a rush before 1.3 to try and get their Emperorship on, and I find it extremely pathetic.

Also: Yes sometimes there are some people who legit duel, but there are many more who boost than duel so never assume duel until you see proof of it being a true duel, just to be on the safe side.

Amserauq · July 2014

Actually everyone dueling on Bloodthorn is legit. With it being a blue dominate campaign who do you think is actually farming to get Emperor? The Emperor there has been reigning for 35+ days.

The dueling is fine. Their camps are almost always way out by Drakelowe and if it happens to go west a little bit then adjust the camp you have to put down. Happens all the time in PvP.

RedTalon · July 2014

The main issue happen last night, with a daggerfall traitor drooping camps in bad spots along with another duel session going on, on top of the normal one.

EP did a push into a few keeps and we hit the forward camp limit rather fast. still beat back EP, but that was one of the times dueling got in the way of defenses.

But overall think the easiest thing to solve the issue would be when they open the imp city, make the arena inside that city open to all and house it in its own server, and allow the duelers to go there everyone wins basically.

Hadn't been back to my home campaign in a week or so, been guesting on wab and heard stuff so went to check in on it to better understand the topic.

Also did seem a boosting tactic has well, with any luck 1.3 will be next week.

krim · July 2014

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

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badmojo · July 2014

krim wrote: »

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

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For me, it's the arrogance I've seen from these traitors, and disregard for other peoples enjoyment of the game. The ones I see are never discreet about their illegal activities, they act like the campaign is their playground, to do with as they please. I could handle dueling, boosting, whatever, but don't throw it in my face and then take offense when I don't accept it with open arms.

krim · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

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For me, it's the arrogance I've seen from these traitors, and disregard for other peoples enjoyment of the game. The ones I see are never discreet about their illegal activities, they act like the campaign is their playground, to do with as they please. I could handle dueling, boosting, whatever, but don't throw it in my face and then take offense when I don't accept it with open arms.

From what i understand the dueling goes on in a certain campaign that is completely one sided, and empty. I dont see how dueling in this particular campaign is effecting anyone.

This is NA of course.

badmojo · July 2014

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

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For me, it's the arrogance I've seen from these traitors, and disregard for other peoples enjoyment of the game. The ones I see are never discreet about their illegal activities, they act like the campaign is their playground, to do with as they please. I could handle dueling, boosting, whatever, but don't throw it in my face and then take offense when I don't accept it with open arms.

From what i understand the dueling goes on in a certain campaign that is completely one sided, and empty. I dont see how dueling in this particular campaign is effecting anyone.

This is NA of course.

One sided, perhaps. Empty, not exactly.

The other night the AD came in force and tried to dethrone our emperor. They took all the center keeps except Fort Ash, where we held them off for over 3 hours of non-stop siege. The campaign can go from nothing happening to all out chaos in a matter of minutes. Just because one faction is dominating doesn't mean nothing ever happens and therefore dueling can be tolerated.

bruceb14_ESO5 · July 2014

It is amazing people messing with those dueling, undermining something that is fun and helps improve skills. I would think the dueling would slow down point gain. It costs more in having soul gems and forward camps. Those doing it are not taking keeps, resources, defending, just playing in what normally would be a quiet area of a lopsided campaign.

krim · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

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For me, it's the arrogance I've seen from these traitors, and disregard for other peoples enjoyment of the game. The ones I see are never discreet about their illegal activities, they act like the campaign is their playground, to do with as they please. I could handle dueling, boosting, whatever, but don't throw it in my face and then take offense when I don't accept it with open arms.

From what i understand the dueling goes on in a certain campaign that is completely one sided, and empty. I dont see how dueling in this particular campaign is effecting anyone.

This is NA of course.

One sided, perhaps. Empty, not exactly.

The other night the AD came in force and tried to dethrone our emperor. They took all the center keeps except Fort Ash, where we held them off for over 3 hours of non-stop siege. The campaign can go from nothing happening to all out chaos in a matter of minutes. Just because one faction is dominating doesn't mean nothing ever happens and therefore dueling can be tolerated.

Get the hell off that campaign man.. I was part of the group that came up with the idea to sneak dethrone sunrest. That was just a we are bored lets do something moment, and probably the only thing thats ever happened on that server since reset.

badmojo · July 2014

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

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For me, it's the arrogance I've seen from these traitors, and disregard for other peoples enjoyment of the game. The ones I see are never discreet about their illegal activities, they act like the campaign is their playground, to do with as they please. I could handle dueling, boosting, whatever, but don't throw it in my face and then take offense when I don't accept it with open arms.

From what i understand the dueling goes on in a certain campaign that is completely one sided, and empty. I dont see how dueling in this particular campaign is effecting anyone.

This is NA of course.

One sided, perhaps. Empty, not exactly.

The other night the AD came in force and tried to dethrone our emperor. They took all the center keeps except Fort Ash, where we held them off for over 3 hours of non-stop siege. The campaign can go from nothing happening to all out chaos in a matter of minutes. Just because one faction is dominating doesn't mean nothing ever happens and therefore dueling can be tolerated.

Get the hell off that campaign man.. I was part of the group that came up with the idea to sneak dethrone sunrest. That was just a we are bored lets do something moment, and probably the only thing thats ever happened on that server since reset.

We were off guesting in another campaign at the time. That's why you guys were able to take most of the keeps before we responded.

Why would a person leave a campaign which continues to give them the most buffs possible? It's not like we're restricted to playing only in our home.

krim · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

edit-grammar

For me, it's the arrogance I've seen from these traitors, and disregard for other peoples enjoyment of the game. The ones I see are never discreet about their illegal activities, they act like the campaign is their playground, to do with as they please. I could handle dueling, boosting, whatever, but don't throw it in my face and then take offense when I don't accept it with open arms.

From what i understand the dueling goes on in a certain campaign that is completely one sided, and empty. I dont see how dueling in this particular campaign is effecting anyone.

This is NA of course.

One sided, perhaps. Empty, not exactly.

The other night the AD came in force and tried to dethrone our emperor. They took all the center keeps except Fort Ash, where we held them off for over 3 hours of non-stop siege. The campaign can go from nothing happening to all out chaos in a matter of minutes. Just because one faction is dominating doesn't mean nothing ever happens and therefore dueling can be tolerated.

Get the hell off that campaign man.. I was part of the group that came up with the idea to sneak dethrone sunrest. That was just a we are bored lets do something moment, and probably the only thing thats ever happened on that server since reset.

We were off guesting in another campaign at the time. That's why you guys were able to take most of the keeps before we responded.

Why would a person leave a campaign which continues to give them the most buffs possible? It's not like we're restricted to playing only in our home.

Ok then stay in the other server and be happy with your buffs and let the duelers practice on that dead server used for buffs.

badmojo · July 2014

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

edit-grammar

For me, it's the arrogance I've seen from these traitors, and disregard for other peoples enjoyment of the game. The ones I see are never discreet about their illegal activities, they act like the campaign is their playground, to do with as they please. I could handle dueling, boosting, whatever, but don't throw it in my face and then take offense when I don't accept it with open arms.

From what i understand the dueling goes on in a certain campaign that is completely one sided, and empty. I dont see how dueling in this particular campaign is effecting anyone.

This is NA of course.

One sided, perhaps. Empty, not exactly.

The other night the AD came in force and tried to dethrone our emperor. They took all the center keeps except Fort Ash, where we held them off for over 3 hours of non-stop siege. The campaign can go from nothing happening to all out chaos in a matter of minutes. Just because one faction is dominating doesn't mean nothing ever happens and therefore dueling can be tolerated.

Get the hell off that campaign man.. I was part of the group that came up with the idea to sneak dethrone sunrest. That was just a we are bored lets do something moment, and probably the only thing thats ever happened on that server since reset.

We were off guesting in another campaign at the time. That's why you guys were able to take most of the keeps before we responded.

Why would a person leave a campaign which continues to give them the most buffs possible? It's not like we're restricted to playing only in our home.

Ok then stay in the other server and be happy with your buffs and let the duelers practice on that dead server used for buffs.

Ummmm.... if you guys come to my campaign and take all the keeps, what buffs?

We can't stay on Wabbajack 100% of the time and still keep our buffs. We have those buffs because we protect our homeland.

krim · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im curious why does dueling have such a bad rep? Why do the people in this thread that dislike it so much feel the way they do? You guys do know that practice makes perfect and dueling is pretty much another form of pvp practice. Something i think a lot of people should maybe think about doing if you want to make yourself better. Unless your just one of those that likes to play for fun yada yada yada but still come on the forums to complain about bogus exploit claims and game mechanics that you think are broken. I dont get it.

edit-grammar

For me, it's the arrogance I've seen from these traitors, and disregard for other peoples enjoyment of the game. The ones I see are never discreet about their illegal activities, they act like the campaign is their playground, to do with as they please. I could handle dueling, boosting, whatever, but don't throw it in my face and then take offense when I don't accept it with open arms.

From what i understand the dueling goes on in a certain campaign that is completely one sided, and empty. I dont see how dueling in this particular campaign is effecting anyone.

This is NA of course.

One sided, perhaps. Empty, not exactly.

The other night the AD came in force and tried to dethrone our emperor. They took all the center keeps except Fort Ash, where we held them off for over 3 hours of non-stop siege. The campaign can go from nothing happening to all out chaos in a matter of minutes. Just because one faction is dominating doesn't mean nothing ever happens and therefore dueling can be tolerated.

Get the hell off that campaign man.. I was part of the group that came up with the idea to sneak dethrone sunrest. That was just a we are bored lets do something moment, and probably the only thing thats ever happened on that server since reset.

We were off guesting in another campaign at the time. That's why you guys were able to take most of the keeps before we responded.

Why would a person leave a campaign which continues to give them the most buffs possible? It's not like we're restricted to playing only in our home.

Ok then stay in the other server and be happy with your buffs and let the duelers practice on that dead server used for buffs.

Ummmm.... if you guys come to my campaign and take all the keeps, what buffs?

We can't stay on Wabbajack 100% of the time and still keep our buffs. We have those buffs because we protect our homeland.

Sure you do, and we werent planning to keep the campaign just knock sunrest off if his 20 something day reign. In the next couple hours or during the night you would have got your buffs back via sunrest.

badmojo · July 2014

I helped defend Fort Ash for hours in order to keep Naw in power, even though my group leader is in position to replace him.

For some of us, keeping the Daggerfall Covenant in power and maintaining our stranglehold on Bloodthorn is a big part of the game.

Keeping our campaign in the hands of DC, or as some would call it "dead", is a huge asset to the overall alliance effort, there are over 1k DC who call BT home, those are a lot of players who are helping the fight on other campaigns, bringing with them all the buffs we fight to maintain.

There's also the fact that a lot of us don't want to see our campaign used for Emperor trading. I'm not saying that's what you guys were attempting, but it's impossible to tell. When you guys try to take those center keeps all ninja like, it sure appears to be an attempt to get a player crowned with little to no effort.

krim · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

I helped defend Fort Ash for hours in order to keep Naw in power, even though my group leader is in position to replace him.

For some of us, keeping the Daggerfall Covenant in power and maintaining our stranglehold on Bloodthorn is a big part of the game.

Keeping our campaign in the hands of DC, or as some would call it "dead", is a huge asset to the overall alliance effort, there are over 1k DC who call BT home, those are a lot of players who are helping the fight on other campaigns, bringing with them all the buffs we fight to maintain.

There's also the fact that a lot of us don't want to see our campaign used for Emperor trading. I'm not saying that's what you guys were attempting, but it's impossible to tell. When you guys try to take those center keeps all ninja like, it sure appears to be an attempt to get a player crowned with little to no effort.

Emp farming requires two factions. But all this has nothing to do with people dueling in that campaign that only DC populates for buffs. Which brings me back to the question why all the hate to people that duel for practice.

badmojo · July 2014

Okay, so your point is that we should embrace dueling because our campaign isn't under constant attack? I hear that same propaganda spewed by duelers when I burn their camps.

Why don't the duelers protect their camps? They are so organized and all, but they can't even be bothered to protect some tents? In a war zone no less. Then they have the entitled attitude to complain that we're not leaving them alone.

No campaign is dead. They all have players who play on them. So it's a huge insult to us DC BT players when you guys constantly try to justify your dueling that way. You're basically saying we don't matter, so let the duelers have it.

Why would I show these people courtesy by letting them duel in peace, when they don't even have the decency to respect those of us who are playing the game as it was meant to be played?

JackDaniell · July 2014

Support for largest troll thread? I think yes!

krim · July 2014

badmojo wrote: »

Okay, so your point is that we should embrace dueling because our campaign isn't under constant attack? I hear that same propaganda spewed by duelers when I burn their camps.

Why don't the duelers protect their camps? They are so organized and all, but they can't even be bothered to protect some tents? In a war zone no less. Then they have the entitled attitude to complain that we're not leaving them alone.

No campaign is dead. They all have players who play on them. So it's a huge insult to us DC BT players when you guys constantly try to justify your dueling that way. You're basically saying we don't matter, so let the duelers have it.

Why would I show these people courtesy by letting them duel in peace, when they don't even have the decency to respect those of us who are playing the game as it was meant to be played?

Pretend they are having a champion duel to the death and join in and test your skills on your journey through ESO RP.

badmojo · July 2014

My characters are all very loyal to their alliance, duels happen in the heat of battle when two good fighters find each other and have at it. They don't happen by communicating with your enemies and arranging a secret place to meet up and practice fighting.

These people aren't dueling as much as they are boosting, stat padding, grinding, whatever you want to call it. It's the complete opposite of what I want out of ESO PVP. Sure, they might not be getting lots of points or whatever, but they're still boosting their personal skill as a player. They're still leveling up their abilities.

You can spin anything into a role play scenario, a friend and I worked the bots into our RP, but that doesn't mean we have to like them.