Damn, do top end systems include something to avoid lag to servers which are at least 100ms away these days?

Nothing changed. :P
Very few issues were caused by the servers being in the US from what I understand as they are all happening there just the same.

I've only spoken to a few NPC merchants so far and used Bolt Escape a few times. I've definitely noticed the faster server response time (when selling items for example)

My average ping to the server is now ~15 ms.. Very nice! Gonna try some pvp this evening..

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Nothing changed. :P
Very few issues were caused by the servers being in the US from what I understand as they are all happening there just the same.

Yup. PVP is still a laggy mess.

No surprise there.

To all those EU players who knew that the lag was of course down to internet latency and told anyone who suggested otherwise they didn't know what they were talking about .. welcome to reality, enjoy the low latency service you've been screaming about for months and an unaltered game experience due to server design problems that are totally unrelated to 100ms 'pings'.

Yeah I agree, it's clearly a DB or a net code issue. I'd be surprised if it wasn't one of those, most likely the latter.

Tandor wrote: »

Never had any problems playing from the UK before, but then I have no interest in PvP.

If there's an additional cost attached to running the server from Europe then perhaps the PvP players should accept a surcharge on their sub, as the move seems to be mainly for their benefit !

/duck

Ok for me. But then PvE players should also be surcharged because they take away resources from PVP

And finally the realization arrives that server-side lag has to do nothing whatsoever with IP packet round-trip time over a WAN. Hallelujah.

AB EU just crashed, kicked everyone out.

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Yup. PVP is still a laggy mess.
Since the server has come all, all anyone has talked about in /z is how laggy it still is.

I'm worried now, it feels like a netcode issue, could be wrong but it feels like that, and that's not good.

This could (really hope I'm wrong) turn into yet another MMO that just can't get itself sorted so people can.. you know, actually just play.

My yesterday's post was simply prophetic.

No, not really. Living close(r) the the USA I knew the "move to EU and lag will stop" was just wishful thinking.

About your netcode statements: I have been a close beta tester for many MMOs. I can "sense" the first MMO months (often deciding the MMO life) since the first open beta day.

When I close beta tested Guild Wars 2, I knew it'd be a success. It had scripting issues, it lacked real anti-gold farmer measures but the bulk of the game was there, it just needed polishing. When open beta started, only the auction house would still pose problems.


When I beta tested Warhammer Online, I immediately foresaw its failure. Classes grossly imbalanced, a complete lack of any standards to stress test high population PvP, AoE spells with no maximum amount of targets (thus exponentially increasing server stress to cross check all players abilities in real time). Large swaths of content were missing and would not be put in game even past release. The producing company had powerful mouthpieces but could not deliver quality nor had professional quality control.
Come release, right in the first weeks it became evident that classes were grossly imbalanced and that netcode simply could not cope with 1/4 of the load.
As many know that MMO was shutdown on December 2013.
It really left many PvPers with a bitter taste, as the MMO had every element to be able and become a great success.

When I close beta tested ESO, I immediately foresaw a troublesome future. Classes grossly imbalanced, testing had limited coverage, AoE spells with no maximum amount of targets. Large swaths of content were missing. Netcode was not properly stress tested (imo).
For an example of proper netcode stress test, see EvE Online. They borked their netcode performance for 2 years due to the Dominion expansion, they had to implement some very emergent technologies (including syntethic "many clients with humanoid behavior" stress simulations) and in the end they managed to mostly fix it.

Now, it's only on ZoS hands about what to do.

ESO shares a LOT of common elements with Warhammer Online:

- a big and important Intellectual Property imposing constraints and raising the bar (brand IP players tend to be demanding in terms of canon consistency and so on).

- a large budget,

- attempt to be a "better themepark (than WoW) instead of inventing new concepts (Warhammer did invent "public quests" and something similar to achievements).

- a long development time, that still proved to be not enough.

- designed and marketed for large PvP encounters, yet...

- weak netcode.

- tangible classes imbalance. Coincidence, casters were both responsible for the AoE induced issues and class imbalance. Being a sorcerer player in most of my MMOs the nerfs that subsequently had to happen, have affected my enjoyment of the games.

- lack (utter lack) of non PvP end game with entire categories of playerbase quitting once they got to the cap and had the little available content on farm status.


Sure, over time the netcode issues sort of fixed themselves. In fact the servers rapidly depleted of players and the few guys left would experience less lag.
But having a smooth PvP involved shutting down dozens of servers, till the game slowly died.


And don't let me started with Age Of Conan, another "important IP" game, with big budget, lack of content, bad quality testing...

Let's hope ZoS get the memo.

Because those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Weapon swap actually works now, Prioritizing actions still does not though and that is not an issue of location.

Congratulation !
It has never been that bad !
Its a pity you r gonna fail this game for technical reasons ...
Our patience is wearing thin here...

Definitely better reactivity in combat but it seems to be getting a bit shaky now, had a couple of minor glitches where my alt got 'teleported' back about 5 seconds of game play & people are starting to move in stutters in Auridon (AD version).

No differences for me. It's actually good news.