I'm just going to stick with being optimistically cautious.

While it all sounds nice, i suspect build efficiency will trump all in the end, bringing us back to near uniform bases.

From what I saw in the QuakeCon panel about spellcrafting, no one spell will be OP because it can only be improved one way, ie, making summoned creatures permanent, have AoE aura, cost less, be ultimate, etc.

The notion of creating one super-awesome-mega-face-melting-no-cost-ground-scorching-AOE-death-from-above-I-win-button-uber-spell is inherently nixed by virtue of how spells are crafted. Thank the Eight!

I speak only for myself. Anyone else in a similar situation is coincidental:

Not going to do me much good, I've played through most of the game that I'm going to with several characters, and got burned out between leveling them up and getting all my crafting (except Enchant = 24) to 50 while doing the login/logout hokeypokey between my 'toons/bank/'toons/bank/ad-nauseam.

Right now I'm just finishing up some research for completion until my sub runs out, while I look for something else to play.
Most of my friends bailed long ago.

Couldn't agree more OP. It's almost getting towards Path of Exile type character building, which I love.

Of course there's always going to be the number crunching min-max crowd who finds the single best build, but with more options comes more viable builds. Very exciting.

Look at game balance now, then imagine this game with a stats/skill system 10 times more difficult to balance...

I'd settle for no PVP lag and map crashes with roll backs.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

I hope so!

Sadly, there will be people who exploit and people who whine and eventually all the new stuff will be nerfed. That's just the nature of MMOs.

But, honestly, all the new stuff sounds awesome and I can't wait to see how it improves the game-play and world interaction. It'll be kinda sweet to roll up a new toon and be able to simply ignore all the 'class' skills and go with only weapon / armor / spell-crafted spells. Bound weapons, summoned creatures... it's all starting to sound like Skyrim, only MMO-ier.

Let's hope it all goes ( mostly ) as planned!

Yes I don't envy the guys on the balancing team the task ahead of them...lol
And as you say I'm sure we will get the usual whiners and bruised epeens complaining about X class being OP just because they lost out in a PvP fight !

And you know what... I don't care. Let them whine, I'll be too busy enjoying myself !

You can simply ignore all the class skills now, why dont you? That is right because most the other skills are weaker. You say it wont bother you in the future, but it bothers you now. Why would it all of a sudden stop bothering you if they just gave you a whole bunch more bad choices?

It doesn't actually bother me. My current build isn't optimal and I honestly don't care. I'm enjoying playing (mostly), I'm not hardcore like I used to be a few years ago so I don't need to stress over my build/DPS.
When all the new options/spells/build stuff comes out my build will probably be further from optimal than it is now, but it will be closer to my TES build (which was bloody good fun)

Phantax wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

I hope so!

Sadly, there will be people who exploit and people who whine and eventually all the new stuff will be nerfed. That's just the nature of MMOs.

But, honestly, all the new stuff sounds awesome and I can't wait to see how it improves the game-play and world interaction. It'll be kinda sweet to roll up a new toon and be able to simply ignore all the 'class' skills and go with only weapon / armor / spell-crafted spells. Bound weapons, summoned creatures... it's all starting to sound like Skyrim, only MMO-ier.

Let's hope it all goes ( mostly ) as planned!

Yes I don't envy the guys on the balancing team the task ahead of them...lol
And as you say I'm sure we will get the usual whiners and bruised epeens complaining about X class being OP just because they lost out in a PvP fight !

And you know what... I don't care. Let them whine, I'll be too busy enjoying myself !

You can simply ignore all the class skills now, why dont you? That is right because most the other skills are weaker. You say it wont bother you in the future, but it bothers you now. Why would it all of a sudden stop bothering you if they just gave you a whole bunch more bad choices?

It doesn't actually bother me. My current build isn't optimal and I honestly don't care. I'm enjoying playing (mostly), I'm not hardcore like I used to be a few years ago so I don't need to stress over my build/DPS.
When all the new options/spells/build stuff comes out my build will probably be further from optimal than it is now, but it will be closer to my TES build (which was bloody good fun)

Well said @Phantax‌

I can't wait for more build freedom. Let the min/maxers grind out fotm builds on the system all they want. Thats their thing, they should go for it. And unimaginative players should follow.

I've played this far with what some would consider a horible build, and had fun doing it. This is just going to make it that much more fun for me.

BTW i was waiting the EU server in EU...

Agreed. Although I'm a stamina build so won't be using spell crafting - it'd be great to break the current habit that all love goes to magician and get a stamina skill equivalent

Xabien wrote: »

Agreed. Although I'm a stamina build so won't be using spell crafting - it'd be great to break the current habit that all love goes to magician and get a stamina skill equivalent

They said at the panel discussion that there are plans for a stamina type of spellcrafting. What that means exactly remains to be seen.

Regardless, no build exists in a vacuum in this game. Not my preference but is the case. Magicka users use stamina for blocking etc and stamina users still need to use class abilities and self heals, etc. I'm reasonably certain spellcrafting will be of use to us, like heals, self buffs, etc.

We will see, I guess.

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Dubah wrote: »

My only problem is the spellcrafting system, love the idea but yet again they are doing nothing but reinforcing magicka builds over stamina builds, now i know there is probably going to be crafted spells that give stamina builds some use but my problem is that with stamina builds the primary resource is stamina, so if you have to dodge roll or prevent a healer from healing you are taking away a stamina builds dps, whereas spellcasters have the stamina to blow and do whatever they want as well as their primary stat, being magicka, that doesn't get consumed for stuff like dodge rolling but primarily for DPSing... I think if they fixed that system the stamina builds would be much more popular.

That being said yes i am very hopeful with these new systems coming out and can't wait to see them in action, especially the champion system!

You people are simply going to have to accept that EVERY build is meant to be using magic, even stamina builds. I run a stamina bow build and I still use my class skills for buffing and defense.

Every class is a magic class, the game wasn't designed for you to run only weapon stamina abilities.

Frankly between using magic for stealth defence and having 1900 stamina and a regen of 107 even with my acid arrow spam I still end up more survivable because every bit of magic I have is used for stealth and fear and in full medium armour and the dodge reduction I can dodge a ton of times where it's often mention in mumble that I seem unkillable when everyone thought I'd be dead.

While this is true at the moment, and I too have gotten by with a sort of magicka-based weapon build, it is still something that needs to be addressed. A lot of people played past ES titles with strict warrior characters, that is, bruisers who never once touched a magic spell in their life. I actually remember one of the more popular mods was one that removed any default spells your character started with, or accidentally acquired, to help feel like a true no-magic brawler.

The problem (as we all know by now ) is stamina is much more crucial in ESO because it is a defensive resource that we didn't need to use in previous titles where sprinting was really the only thing that drained it other than melee/power attacks, depending on the title. They need to break the blue/red/green mold a little bit and merely add a secondary stamina bar, similar to sprinting with a mount, that is used for rolls, blocks, and interrupts. It would feel like a weight off the shoulders of stamina built players. The only other thing I can see helping is severely changing the costs of abilities and/or movements that use stamina, but that would also be benefiting magic classes as well so it may not lead to the balance we hope for.

Your point is still true however, trying to get by without any magicka abilities at the moment is a pretty fruitless endeavor.

Also to the OP, I agree. I was very pleased watching the presentation (other than the awkwardness of some of the presenters haha) though I am trying to keep my optimism in check until these things are delivered. It is still refreshing to see the direction of the game looking good!

Fleymark wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

Agreed. Although I'm a stamina build so won't be using spell crafting - it'd be great to break the current habit that all love goes to magician and get a stamina skill equivalent

They said at the panel discussion that there are plans for a stamina type of spellcrafting. What that means exactly remains to be seen.

Regardless, no build exists in a vacuum in this game. Not my preference but is the case. Magicka users use stamina for blocking etc and stamina users still need to use class abilities and self heals, etc. I'm reasonably certain spellcrafting will be of use to us, like heals, self buffs, etc.

We will see, I guess.

Valid point, but I only use two magic skills per skill bar (not including ultimate) and given we've only got five skills to a bar it's not like there's a great deal of room for me to squeeze more magic in without doing away with weapon skills altogether

Azzuria wrote: »

From what I saw in the QuakeCon panel about spellcrafting, no one spell will be OP because it can only be improved one way, ie, making summoned creatures permanent, have AoE aura, cost less, be ultimate, etc.

The notion of creating one super-awesome-mega-face-melting-no-cost-ground-scorching-AOE-death-from-above-I-win-button-uber-spell is inherently nixed by virtue of how spells are crafted. Thank the Eight!

Too much of the code is executed locally and subject to "creative intervention", which is straight-up cheating with hacks if you don't follow.

It will happen. It's only a matter of time. The deciding factor will be Zenimax's ability to respond to it quickly and efficiently. Based on their track record with exploits and cheaters thus far, it doesn't seem that promising to me. I hope they can make it work in a way that is fair for everyone, but I see rampant abuse on the horizon.