Nerf Bat Swarm

monden1980b16_ESO · July 2014

Yeah, nerf it... it's ridiculous (No constructive comments here, there's no need to explain the obvious).

Personally, I think it would be best to take out vamp and werewolf abilities completely from PvP. PvE I couldn't care less.

ItsRejectz · July 2014

It dosnt need nerfing, it's should have it's cost put to 250 like a lot of the other ults

HazardousNovex · July 2014

LOL

Morticielle · July 2014

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, nerf it... it's ridiculous (No constructive comments here, there's no need to explain the obvious).

The 'obvious' is that you should lern to move your chars ass out of the way. Period.

monden1980b16_ESO · July 2014

Morticielle wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, nerf it... it's ridiculous (No constructive comments here, there's no need to explain the obvious).

The 'obvious' is that you should lern to move your chars ass out of the way. Period.

Bat Swarm deals - compared to other ultimates - more damage for less cost. What it makes it so dangerous is that one barely notices it in crowded situations, there is no clear indicator.

Samadhi · July 2014

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

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Personally, I think it would be best to take out vamp and werewolf abilities completely from PvP. PvE I couldn't care less.

I agree, Werewolf is far too powerful in PvP and should be removed and limited to PvE.
This would inhibit the extreme amount of Werewolfs currently running around in Cyrodiil.
They definitely need to be taken out of PvP to prevent their OP Werewolf powers from being OP.

Tintinabula · July 2014

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Morticielle wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, nerf it... it's ridiculous (No constructive comments here, there's no need to explain the obvious).

The 'obvious' is that you should lern to move your chars ass out of the way. Period.

Bat Swarm deals - compared to other ultimates - more damage for less cost. What it makes it so dangerous is that one barely notices it in crowded situations, there is no clear indicator.

make the 200 bats swarming you glowy pink.

Halrloprillalar · July 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Morticielle wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, nerf it... it's ridiculous (No constructive comments here, there's no need to explain the obvious).

The 'obvious' is that you should lern to move your chars ass out of the way. Period.

Bat Swarm deals - compared to other ultimates - more damage for less cost. What it makes it so dangerous is that one barely notices it in crowded situations, there is no clear indicator.

make the 200 bats swarming you glowy pink.

eeeewww horrific

Grim13 · July 2014

Bat Swarm's fine.

It's the players abusing the mist/swarm exploit that need to be nerfed out of the game.

CapuchinSeven · July 2014

Morticielle wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, nerf it... it's ridiculous (No constructive comments here, there's no need to explain the obvious).

The 'obvious' is that you should lern to move your chars ass out of the way. Period.

How do you move out of the way of an AOE ability that hits harder than almost any other ability in the game (AND is an AOE), renders the attack invisible while still able to CC and sprint?

Honest question.

Durham · July 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Morticielle wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, nerf it... it's ridiculous (No constructive comments here, there's no need to explain the obvious).

The 'obvious' is that you should lern to move your chars ass out of the way. Period.

Bat Swarm deals - compared to other ultimates - more damage for less cost. What it makes it so dangerous is that one barely notices it in crowded situations, there is no clear indicator.

make the 200 bats swarming you glowy pink.

All ultima i win buttons need a nerf in pvp .. They are good as is in pve...need to change the costs on a few.. but an overall nerf on cost in RvR. Fights would be so much more fun with out them.
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Tintinabula · July 2014

My Batswarms generally ticks for 200-300 depending on enemies resists.

My shifting standard generally ticks for 100-300.

Soul assault ticks for 300-400.

Dawnbreaker insta hits for 400-2000 depending on vampirism.

And Comet hits insta 1400.(roughly)

I find it OP only because you cant target the user during those 6 seconds however Users are not immune to damage. Any ground aoe or say standard synergy will chain them and damage them.

Teargrants · July 2014

At this point why do I feel that I can reply to half the stuff in this section by quoting myself?

Kirsika wrote: »

First off, clouding swarm spam isn't as epidemic as devouring swarm spam was when they could exploit broken synergies to reach 0 cost ultimate, nor is it as OP.

Kirsika wrote: »

The issue here is he has 2 means of damaging you with clouding swarm: the bat pbaoe, and casting spells at you. It can be difficult to counter, but not impossible. Sorcs have it easiest, they just need to BE 2x, then hold block and slowly walk backwards. NBs can go stealth unless they have a dot on them (which betamax needs to fix). Templars have blazing shield. DKs are stuck w/ dodge/sprinting out of the bats and trying to keep distance. And of course, non-targeted CC for those who have it.

Now, the real potential problem here comes when the vamp uses gap closers. As earlier, sorcs and NBs can avoid it, but it puts temps and DKs in a harder spot. Then again, with rolling/running it isn't too hard to avoid for say 3 seconds. Then if you didn't even block the other half, bat's doing what, about 678 DMG.

makkon · July 2014

there is only three issues with this ultimates
- clouding swarm which makes you fully invisible for all period
- possibility to decrease ultimate cost more than for 30% without stages passive.
- bugged spells with no ultimate cap per cast

probably also bugged visual effects (after some time in cirodiil) so ppl can be fully invisible in mist form

sirjohndeluxeb16_ESO · July 2014

clouding swarm definitely needs some rebalance.
just have a look at your campaign leaderboard, at auriel's bow all 3 potential emperor's are playing with clouding swarm as their main ultimate.

honest question: has there ever been a non-vampire emperor at auriel's bow?

Lava_Croft · July 2014

Don't stand in the oil/bats/fire/whatever.

Soris · July 2014

thanks for the tip captain!

c0rp · July 2014

I see myself dying to 900+ swarm ticks all the time. And its an invisible aoe..its a joke and if you think its balanced then you play DK.

Tintinabula · July 2014

I don't have a clue how you're being ticked for 900 per tick. o.O

zScars · July 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjFRHjGDDHM

bats ok.

Xsorus · July 2014

You think Bats is annoying..Wait until you fight Corrosive Armor next patch if they don't nerf it again on PTS

Notice i said again...bloody thing was doing 600ish a tic, but now its down to 400ish.

Asgari · July 2014

The other day i came across a sorc vamp, Cloud mist > Invisible streak > Cloud Mist > Bat Swarm .... couldn't see them and bats hit me for 1500 plus the streaks for 400. Needless to say it didn't last long lol

Mojomonkeyman · July 2014

Sorry guys, the damage numbers you are throwing around says all about how experienced you are with the game... There is so much wrong information in this thread, it`s noobs hyperboling. Sorry to say.

Dealing damage with other spells while invisible should break invisibility, though.

And to the guy posting that vid, all I see is a probably fully geared v12 demolishing mostly level 40`s. You can do that with or without batswarm.

Best regards

zScars · July 2014

Counted more vets than lvl 40's

R0M2K · July 2014

1- rollout of the swarm
2- sealth and wait for mist to end
3- nuke

monden1980b16_ESO · July 2014

R0M2K wrote: »

1- rollout of the swarm
2- sealth and wait for mist to end
3- nuke

1. better roll twice (if you have enough stamina...)
2. stealth won't work
3. if you play a setup that can nuke

Asgari · July 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Sorry guys, the damage numbers you are throwing around says all about how experienced you are with the game... There is so much wrong information in this thread, it`s noobs hyperboling. Sorry to say.

Dealing damage with other spells while invisible should break invisibility, though.

And to the guy posting that vid, all I see is a probably fully geared v12 demolishing mostly level 40`s. You can do that with or without batswarm.

Best regards

I wouldn't say im a noob by any standard. I can clearly read the death screen and i can also see my screen. I wasn't saying this is something that needs to be nerfed. Just stating it simply has happened to me once in all the hours ive spent in pvp.

Xsorus · July 2014

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Sorry guys, the damage numbers you are throwing around says all about how experienced you are with the game... There is so much wrong information in this thread, it`s noobs hyperboling. Sorry to say.

Dealing damage with other spells while invisible should break invisibility, though.

And to the guy posting that vid, all I see is a probably fully geared v12 demolishing mostly level 40`s. You can do that with or without batswarm.

Best regards

I wouldn't say im a noob by any standard. I can clearly read the death screen and i can also see my screen. I wasn't saying this is something that needs to be nerfed. Just stating it simply has happened to me once in all the hours ive spent in pvp.

Out of curiosity, you do know that dot based abilities aren't separated on the death screen right?

ItsRejectz · July 2014

zScars wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjFRHjGDDHM

bats ok.

That's not bat being OP, that's bat being to cheap coupled with impulse generating to much ultimate

Asgari · July 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Sorry guys, the damage numbers you are throwing around says all about how experienced you are with the game... There is so much wrong information in this thread, it`s noobs hyperboling. Sorry to say.

Dealing damage with other spells while invisible should break invisibility, though.

And to the guy posting that vid, all I see is a probably fully geared v12 demolishing mostly level 40`s. You can do that with or without batswarm.

Best regards

I wouldn't say im a noob by any standard. I can clearly read the death screen and i can also see my screen. I wasn't saying this is something that needs to be nerfed. Just stating it simply has happened to me once in all the hours ive spent in pvp.

Out of curiosity, you do know that dot based abilities aren't separated on the death screen right?

1v1 it said - show the intial hits and bat swarm for 1500 then endless fury for 35x. Unsure why your trying to turn this into an argument. I guess the screen lied so ZOS please Nerf the Kill Recap. These lies must be fixed! QQ

Domander · July 2014

zScars wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjFRHjGDDHM

bats ok.

killing a bunch of players in the starting area where there are not supposed to be enemies. I'm usually still in pve mode when loading in here.