amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

WoW is on a whole different level. I have never in my life had a WoW account and I still get spam from them.

Believe it or not, this happened with ESO too.

The fact remains that no MMO that I'm aware of has cut spam to this degree this quickly after launch. It's a simple solution, and it doesn't affect any players who aren't doing strange things with character deletion/creation.

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

WoW is on a whole different level. I have never in my life had a WoW account and I still get spam from them.

Believe it or not, this happened with ESO too.

The fact remains that no MMO that I'm aware of has cut spam to this degree this quickly after launch. It's a simple solution, and it doesn't affect any players who aren't doing strange things with character deletion/creation.

Multiple deletes are not "strange"

Yes. Yes, they are. For evidence, please consult this thread.

There is no rational reason to delete more than 3 characters a day. Certainly not on a regular basis. If you have an irrational reason, that's not something that can be helped.

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

mulv wrote: »

wow, just wow, really?? All people seem to do on here is moan about something, as soon as the Devs try to sort something or indeed do sort something then there is instantly another moan.

We moan about bots constantly......they try to help fix it with this delete limit, but no that is not good enough for some, so we will moan about the delete limit.

It really is not a big deal and quite a nice idea, and if you do screw up and use all your deletes you can't play for a WHOLE day, wow it is just ONE day of no gaming, surely we all have enough of a life to lead that we can't survive one day with out gaming??

In a game that we are paying regularly to play, we shouldn't miss out on time played due to features of said game

And in a game we also pay to play, we are grateful that rigorous steps are taken to ensure we can play in peace.

I am certainly one of those people that likes to delete characters over and over again until I get it right. But I would much rather have this limitation in place than have the game flooded with gold sellers and bots. I can deal with this inconvenience because it is greatly preferable over spambots taking over. I like the fact that I can run through dungeons and actually kill the boss without there being a pile of 20 bots around it. I like the fact that I can actually find harvesting nodes when I'm running around. I like the fact that I don't get half a dozen gold spam mails in my mailbox. I like the fact that zone chat isn't filled with gold spammers.

These things were all happening in the game before the character deletion limitation was in place. Now they are all gone. Coincidence? I think not.

And, yeah, OP, players ignore lists were getting full from all the gold spammers in chat to the point they could no longer block them out. The problem was that bad. So excuse us if we don't enthusiastically jump on your bandwagon.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

WoW is on a whole different level. I have never in my life had a WoW account and I still get spam from them.

Believe it or not, this happened with ESO too.

The fact remains that no MMO that I'm aware of has cut spam to this degree this quickly after launch. It's a simple solution, and it doesn't affect any players who aren't doing strange things with character deletion/creation.

That's a BS oversimplified generalization.

There is nothing "strange" about getting your character creation down the way you want it. Or deleting alts or mules to make room for other ones. Or making a toon to look at skills.

Or any number of other legitimate things. Enough with the "if you need to delete a lot of toons you are up to no good" witch hunt malarkey.

Honestly there are times I'm embarrassed for myself that I even play a game that attracts the number of simpletons that this one seems to. I've never seen more "if you don't do it my way you are doing it wrong" types in one place than this game.

All we need now is for some body to misuse the term "exploit" and start calling people "elitists" and this thread will be up to par with about every other eso discussion.

It's pathetic.

There is something strange about creating a character the way you want it and then deciding that you actually don't like the character in different lighting. There is plenty of strange when it comes to deleting 3 characters a day for any purpose. I don't care how many alts/mules/test characters you have (PTS and websites have all that information available much faster than your new character, by the way), it's too many to need on a regular basis.

You know who does create and delete a ton of characters in a day? The average gold-seller. Do you know what happened when this system went in? Bots and spam almost disappeared.

No, there's nothing strange about it at all. I've made toons that had to be redone about half a dozen times before it looked right in game. And, since you apparently missed it the other half a dozen times it's been said, body proportions don't accurately translate from the creation tool to the game. And you can't see animations until you get in game.

You may not care about these things, but others do. I, personally, don't care if you are inconvenienced by botters or not. So we are even except your "fix" inconveniences me when fixing the botting problems isn't my job as a paying customer. How many toons I delete on a daily basis is none of your business.

Again, I don't care how they thwart botters. Just leave me out of it because it's not my problem as a paying customer. Period. The fact that they have resorted to shoddy workaround mechanics like this reveals a lack of design vision and talent on the part of the designers of this game. And speaks volumes as to why this game has all of the other problems it does.

And the fact that people actually think this is a good fix speaks volumes about the player base of this game, frankly. Playing this game and reading what passes for game design for the modern gamer has offered a while new insight into why most games these days are complete crap and why the gaming community is a total joke in the bigger picture.

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

WoW is on a whole different level. I have never in my life had a WoW account and I still get spam from them.

Believe it or not, this happened with ESO too.

The fact remains that no MMO that I'm aware of has cut spam to this degree this quickly after launch. It's a simple solution, and it doesn't affect any players who aren't doing strange things with character deletion/creation.

That's a BS oversimplified generalization.

There is nothing "strange" about getting your character creation down the way you want it. Or deleting alts or mules to make room for other ones. Or making a toon to look at skills.

Or any number of other legitimate things. Enough with the "if you need to delete a lot of toons you are up to no good" witch hunt malarkey.

Honestly there are times I'm embarrassed for myself that I even play a game that attracts the number of simpletons that this one seems to. I've never seen more "if you don't do it my way you are doing it wrong" types in one place than this game.

All we need now is for some body to misuse the term "exploit" and start calling people "elitists" and this thread will be up to par with about every other eso discussion.

It's pathetic.

There is something strange about creating a character the way you want it and then deciding that you actually don't like the character in different lighting. There is plenty of strange when it comes to deleting 3 characters a day for any purpose. I don't care how many alts/mules/test characters you have (PTS and websites have all that information available much faster than your new character, by the way), it's too many to need on a regular basis.

You know who does create and delete a ton of characters in a day? The average gold-seller. Do you know what happened when this system went in? Bots and spam almost disappeared.

Again, I don't care how they thwart botters. Just leave me out of it because it's not my problem as a paying customer. Period. The fact that they have resorted to shoddy workaround mechanics like this reveals a lack of design vision and talent on the part of the designers of this game. And speaks volumes as to why this game has all of the other problems it does.

Actually, it is your problem. It's all of our problems.

The developers don't create/promote/use bots or buy gold. Players do. So if you want to blame someone for the system, blame the players. But the fact remains that the instant this system went in place, we lost 90% of our botters/spammers. So it worked. I am not sorry that it affects a tiny percentage of the legitimate player population negatively. It was necessary and helpful.

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

WoW is on a whole different level. I have never in my life had a WoW account and I still get spam from them.

Believe it or not, this happened with ESO too.

The fact remains that no MMO that I'm aware of has cut spam to this degree this quickly after launch. It's a simple solution, and it doesn't affect any players who aren't doing strange things with character deletion/creation.

That's a BS oversimplified generalization.

There is nothing "strange" about getting your character creation down the way you want it. Or deleting alts or mules to make room for other ones. Or making a toon to look at skills.

Or any number of other legitimate things. Enough with the "if you need to delete a lot of toons you are up to no good" witch hunt malarkey.

Honestly there are times I'm embarrassed for myself that I even play a game that attracts the number of simpletons that this one seems to. I've never seen more "if you don't do it my way you are doing it wrong" types in one place than this game.

All we need now is for some body to misuse the term "exploit" and start calling people "elitists" and this thread will be up to par with about every other eso discussion.

It's pathetic.

There is something strange about creating a character the way you want it and then deciding that you actually don't like the character in different lighting. There is plenty of strange when it comes to deleting 3 characters a day for any purpose. I don't care how many alts/mules/test characters you have (PTS and websites have all that information available much faster than your new character, by the way), it's too many to need on a regular basis.

You know who does create and delete a ton of characters in a day? The average gold-seller. Do you know what happened when this system went in? Bots and spam almost disappeared.

No, there's nothing strange about it at all. I've made toons that had to be redone about half a dozen times before it looked right in game. And, since you apparently missed it the other half a dozen times it's been said, body proportions don't accurately translate from the creation tool to the game. And you can't see animations until you get in game.

You may not care about these things, but others do. I, personally, don't care if you are inconvenienced by botters or not. So we are even except your "fix" inconveniences me when fixing the botting problems isn't my job as a paying customer. How many toons I delete on a daily basis is none of your business.

Again, I don't care how they thwart botters. Just leave me out of it because it's not my problem as a paying customer. Period. The fact that they have resorted to shoddy workaround mechanics like this reveals a lack of design vision and talent on the part of the designers of this game. And speaks volumes as to why this game has all of the other problems it does.

And the fact that people actually think this is a good fix speaks volumes about the player base of this game, frankly. Playing this game and reading what passes for game design for the modern gamer has offered a while new insight into why most games these days are complete crap and why the gaming community is a total joke in the bigger picture.

I'm a paying customer too. And I care that I'm inconvenienced by bots and gold sellers.

And yet, there's other ways to go about dealing with bots and spammers than limiting deletes. It's been done. In virtually every MMO ever.

And here's the thing - you say our inconvenience is okay so that you're not inconvenienced.

On the flip side, I can say your inconvenience regarding spammers is fine by me, as long as I can create / delete at will without restriction.

Name one MMO that has had this tight a lid on spamming/botting within 4 months of release.

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

WoW is on a whole different level. I have never in my life had a WoW account and I still get spam from them.

Believe it or not, this happened with ESO too.

The fact remains that no MMO that I'm aware of has cut spam to this degree this quickly after launch. It's a simple solution, and it doesn't affect any players who aren't doing strange things with character deletion/creation.

That's a BS oversimplified generalization.

There is nothing "strange" about getting your character creation down the way you want it. Or deleting alts or mules to make room for other ones. Or making a toon to look at skills.

Or any number of other legitimate things. Enough with the "if you need to delete a lot of toons you are up to no good" witch hunt malarkey.

Honestly there are times I'm embarrassed for myself that I even play a game that attracts the number of simpletons that this one seems to. I've never seen more "if you don't do it my way you are doing it wrong" types in one place than this game.

All we need now is for some body to misuse the term "exploit" and start calling people "elitists" and this thread will be up to par with about every other eso discussion.

It's pathetic.

There is something strange about creating a character the way you want it and then deciding that you actually don't like the character in different lighting. There is plenty of strange when it comes to deleting 3 characters a day for any purpose. I don't care how many alts/mules/test characters you have (PTS and websites have all that information available much faster than your new character, by the way), it's too many to need on a regular basis.

You know who does create and delete a ton of characters in a day? The average gold-seller. Do you know what happened when this system went in? Bots and spam almost disappeared.

No, there's nothing strange about it at all. I've made toons that had to be redone about half a dozen times before it looked right in game. And, since you apparently missed it the other half a dozen times it's been said, body proportions don't accurately translate from the creation tool to the game. And you can't see animations until you get in game.

You may not care about these things, but others do. I, personally, don't care if you are inconvenienced by botters or not. So we are even except your "fix" inconveniences me when fixing the botting problems isn't my job as a paying customer. How many toons I delete on a daily basis is none of your business.

Again, I don't care how they thwart botters. Just leave me out of it because it's not my problem as a paying customer. Period. The fact that they have resorted to shoddy workaround mechanics like this reveals a lack of design vision and talent on the part of the designers of this game. And speaks volumes as to why this game has all of the other problems it does.

And the fact that people actually think this is a good fix speaks volumes about the player base of this game, frankly. Playing this game and reading what passes for game design for the modern gamer has offered a while new insight into why most games these days are complete crap and why the gaming community is a total joke in the bigger picture.

I'm a paying customer too. And I care that I'm inconvenienced by bots and gold sellers.

And yet, there's other ways to go about dealing with bots and spammers than limiting deletes. It's been done. In virtually every MMO ever.

And here's the thing - you say our inconvenience is okay so that you're not inconvenienced.

On the flip side, I can say your inconvenience regarding spammers is fine by me, as long as I can create / delete at will without restriction.

Name one MMO that has had this tight a lid on spamming/botting within 4 months of release.

Warhammer Online. Bots and spammers were targeted and gotten rid of almost immediately.

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They may have been able to get rid of the individual characters immediately, but they didn't eliminate the problem.

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Sorry if its an "inconvenience" for you, but it isn't ever going to go away. 99% of the player base LOVES it.

I don't like being felt up by the TSA either, but its a requirement to board an airplane. In the grand scheme of things to be upset about,.... this is where people choose to fight their battles?

/sitchair
/popcorn

Falmer wrote: »

Sorry if its an "inconvenience" for you, but it isn't ever going to go away. 99% of the player base LOVES it.

99% you say? And your source is...?

The reason you dont see more complaints about this is because most people already have established characters, made long before the limit was put in place. Youd have seen more posts about the issue, had the game launched this way.

In the grand scheme of things to be upset about,.... this is where people choose to fight their battles?

What an absurd question. Are you suggesting we are allowed to express our disatisfaction with only 1 thing in the whole world... so that we have to choose that 1 all-important issue we'll spend the rest of our lives discussing? Or is there like a '3 issues a day' limit? XD Someone forgot to send me that memo.

I like the character deletion limit. I levelled up an alt to VR1 a week and half ago.

During that week i played him i met two running bots in a solo delve in Malabal Tor.


So i'm happy.

Do you want to know if there is really 99% of people that like the measure? Open a poll (if you really want to have any data and not only claims).