Limited Deletes - I can control myself, thanks

hk11 · July 2014

I had my first run in with the limited delete function today. I was making a character and naturally I need to try a few times to get the correct look. I had it about right except I forgot one of the crucial steps to fixing the proportions to help with the no calves syndrome, and then BAM no more deletes and no more slots.

What is the point of this? It seems that since we pay a sub we should not have this limitation.

It's not the end of the world but having to wait (I assume 24 hrs) is sort of bad.

Arsenic_Touch · July 2014

It's to combat bots remaking characters for a turn in quest that awards gold. They can run a script that nets quite a bit of gold that way and this will cut down on it.

SFBryan18 · July 2014

Funny, because this thread is also on the first page of this forum section:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/114445/love-the-delete-character-limit-brilliant#latest

Mablung · July 2014

Yep. To combat bots we are going to punish our paying customers.

While this is not a problem for me, I do understand that it is for a lot of people who test out looks and whatnot with the character creator. It is one of the bright spots in this game but like all other good things, it got nerfed.

discosoc · July 2014

It's really annoying and I had to deal with the exact same thing last week. I ended up not being able to play for a day, while waiting on the function to return.

Also, just a heads up: you only get back one delete per day, and I'm almost positive the clock is reset after your last delete. So if you delete a character at 2pm, then 4pm, then 8pm, you won't get a new delete option until 8pm the next day, at which point you'll get a single delete. If you log in at 9pm and use that delete, you'll have to wait until 9pm the next day to get a new one.

So basically, the 24 hour thing is a best case scenario assuming you don't actually use the deletes until they all reset after 3 days. Really annoying.

MasterSpatula · July 2014

This strikes me as a perfectly reasonable bot-fighting tool. Yes, there are instances where the legitimate player will come up against it, but those instances really aren't that common.

Certainly, it is a price to pay, but it seems like a small one to me, and one well worth it.

Also, last night, I had 3 deletes available to me. Not sure if you accumulate them over time or what. But it's definitely possible to delete more than one character in a day, at least if you let them build up. If you are actually deleting them at a rate of more than one a day, you might want to check yourself for a pulse, because it sounds like you might be a bot.

ShedsHisTail · July 2014

discosoc wrote: »

It's really annoying and I had to deal with the exact same thing last week. I ended up not being able to play for a day, while waiting on the function to return.

Also, just a heads up: you only get back one delete per day, and I'm almost positive the clock is reset after your last delete. So if you delete a character at 2pm, then 4pm, then 8pm, you won't get a new delete option until 8pm the next day, at which point you'll get a single delete. If you log in at 9pm and use that delete, you'll have to wait until 9pm the next day to get a new one.

So basically, the 24 hour thing is a best case scenario assuming you don't actually use the deletes until they all reset after 3 days. Really annoying.

Wait... You were unable to play because you couldn't delete any more characters?

indytims_ESO · July 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Yep. To combat bots we are going to punish our paying customers.

While this is not a problem for me, I do understand that it is for a lot of people who test out looks and whatnot with the character creator. It is one of the bright spots in this game but like all other good things, it got nerfed.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

You can -see- your character just fine during creation. If that's not good enough... tough.

There is no 'punishment' in having this feature. Please dig deeper in order to find more to complain about, Mablung. You fail on this one.

discosoc · July 2014

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

It's really annoying and I had to deal with the exact same thing last week. I ended up not being able to play for a day, while waiting on the function to return.

Also, just a heads up: you only get back one delete per day, and I'm almost positive the clock is reset after your last delete. So if you delete a character at 2pm, then 4pm, then 8pm, you won't get a new delete option until 8pm the next day, at which point you'll get a single delete. If you log in at 9pm and use that delete, you'll have to wait until 9pm the next day to get a new one.

So basically, the 24 hour thing is a best case scenario assuming you don't actually use the deletes until they all reset after 3 days. Really annoying.

Wait... You were unable to play because you couldn't delete any more characters?

I had just come back to the game and decided to start fresh (I only had a level 8 or 9 from before). Like the OP, I created several characters trying to get the look right. Unfortunately, the name I was going to use for my character was among the first few I made, but done so after using my deletes (I had no idea the limit existed). So basically I had to choose between using the name I wanted and waiting until I could free it up, or use something else and play immediately.

I know a lot of people couldn't care less about character names, but I do so it was an issue.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · July 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Yep. To combat bots we are going to punish our paying customers.

While this is not a problem for me, I do understand that it is for a lot of people who test out looks and whatnot with the character creator. It is one of the bright spots in this game but like all other good things, it got nerfed.

The PTS server allows testing all kinds of builds, from newbie to VR12.

Qyrk · July 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I had my first run in with the limited delete function today. I was making a character and naturally I need to try a few times to get the correct look.

Well maybe you shouldn't jump the gun and click create right away until you're fully happy with what you made. The preview before you create the character is more than enough.

ShedsHisTail · July 2014

discosoc wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

It's really annoying and I had to deal with the exact same thing last week. I ended up not being able to play for a day, while waiting on the function to return.

Also, just a heads up: you only get back one delete per day, and I'm almost positive the clock is reset after your last delete. So if you delete a character at 2pm, then 4pm, then 8pm, you won't get a new delete option until 8pm the next day, at which point you'll get a single delete. If you log in at 9pm and use that delete, you'll have to wait until 9pm the next day to get a new one.

So basically, the 24 hour thing is a best case scenario assuming you don't actually use the deletes until they all reset after 3 days. Really annoying.

Wait... You were unable to play because you couldn't delete any more characters?

I had just come back to the game and decided to start fresh (I only had a level 8 or 9 from before). Like the OP, I created several characters trying to get the look right. Unfortunately, the name I was going to use for my character was among the first few I made, but done so after using my deletes (I had no idea the limit existed). So basically I had to choose between using the name I wanted and waiting until I could free it up, or use something else and play immediately.

I know a lot of people couldn't care less about character names, but I do so it was an issue.

So... What you're saying is that with only a level 8 o 9 pre-existing (ie: one character) you were unable to arrive at a look you liked after filling 7 other character slots and utilizing 3 deletes?

So, in ten tries you failed to realize that you can view your character without clicking the "Create" key?

I think in this situation, the problem might be you.

Qyrk · July 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Yep. To combat bots we are going to punish our paying customers.

While this is not a problem for me, I do understand that it is for a lot of people who test out looks and whatnot with the character creator. It is one of the bright spots in this game but like all other good things, it got nerfed.

I like the feature that eso provide during character creation and I play around with this a whole lot. You can still do this even with 'limit 3 character deletion'. So I doubt your argument against it is strong.

discosoc · July 2014

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

It's really annoying and I had to deal with the exact same thing last week. I ended up not being able to play for a day, while waiting on the function to return.

Also, just a heads up: you only get back one delete per day, and I'm almost positive the clock is reset after your last delete. So if you delete a character at 2pm, then 4pm, then 8pm, you won't get a new delete option until 8pm the next day, at which point you'll get a single delete. If you log in at 9pm and use that delete, you'll have to wait until 9pm the next day to get a new one.

So basically, the 24 hour thing is a best case scenario assuming you don't actually use the deletes until they all reset after 3 days. Really annoying.

Wait... You were unable to play because you couldn't delete any more characters?

I had just come back to the game and decided to start fresh (I only had a level 8 or 9 from before). Like the OP, I created several characters trying to get the look right. Unfortunately, the name I was going to use for my character was among the first few I made, but done so after using my deletes (I had no idea the limit existed). So basically I had to choose between using the name I wanted and waiting until I could free it up, or use something else and play immediately.

I know a lot of people couldn't care less about character names, but I do so it was an issue.

So... What you're saying is that with only a level 8 o 9 (ie: one character) you were unable to arrive at a look you liked after filling 7 other character slots and utilizing 3 deletes?

So, in ten tries you failed to realize that you can view your character without clicking the "Create" key?

I think in this situation, the problem might be you.

That's not at all what I'm saying.

First, I had no idea there was a delete limit until I hit it. I certainly wouldn't taken the character creation path I did (and usually do with an MMO) if I knew about the limit. But since I didn't know, I'd roll up a character and play him for a about 15 minutes to get a feel for how the class abilities play, how he looks in game, etc.. Log out, maybe create a character with a new class or fix something that doesn't look quite right in-game (usually the hair color was weird), and try something else.

After trying several combinations of race, class, and weapons, I settled on one and started deleting the other characters to clean up my selection screen. After the third delete, I realized I couldn't delete any others. Unfortunately, I hadn't deleted the character that was using the name I wanted, thus my situation.

It's really not that difficult to grasp, so I'm not sure why you keep asking about why something was done.

ShedsHisTail · July 2014

discosoc wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

It's really annoying and I had to deal with the exact same thing last week. I ended up not being able to play for a day, while waiting on the function to return.

Also, just a heads up: you only get back one delete per day, and I'm almost positive the clock is reset after your last delete. So if you delete a character at 2pm, then 4pm, then 8pm, you won't get a new delete option until 8pm the next day, at which point you'll get a single delete. If you log in at 9pm and use that delete, you'll have to wait until 9pm the next day to get a new one.

So basically, the 24 hour thing is a best case scenario assuming you don't actually use the deletes until they all reset after 3 days. Really annoying.

Wait... You were unable to play because you couldn't delete any more characters?

I had just come back to the game and decided to start fresh (I only had a level 8 or 9 from before). Like the OP, I created several characters trying to get the look right. Unfortunately, the name I was going to use for my character was among the first few I made, but done so after using my deletes (I had no idea the limit existed). So basically I had to choose between using the name I wanted and waiting until I could free it up, or use something else and play immediately.

I know a lot of people couldn't care less about character names, but I do so it was an issue.

So... What you're saying is that with only a level 8 o 9 (ie: one character) you were unable to arrive at a look you liked after filling 7 other character slots and utilizing 3 deletes?

So, in ten tries you failed to realize that you can view your character without clicking the "Create" key?

I think in this situation, the problem might be you.

That's not at all what I'm saying.

First, I had no idea there was a delete limit until I hit it. I certainly wouldn't taken the character creation path I did (and usually do with an MMO) if I knew about the limit. But since I didn't know, I'd roll up a character and play him for a about 15 minutes to get a feel for how the class abilities play, how he looks in game, etc.. Log out, maybe create a character with a new class or fix something that doesn't look quite right in-game (usually the hair color was weird), and try something else.

After trying several combinations of race, class, and weapons, I settled on one and started deleting the other characters to clean up my selection screen. After the third delete, I realized I couldn't delete any others. Unfortunately, I hadn't deleted the character that was using the name I wanted, thus my situation.

It's really not that difficult to grasp, so I'm not sure why you keep asking about why something was done.

I see now what you did... Makes more sense with more details.

Svann · July 2014

Sorry but the gain here far outweighs the loss.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2014

This is why I love public forums. One thread crying we are punishing honest players, and one thread saying it was a no brainier and players saying it was their idea and should have been done a month ago except for zani gross incompetence.

And people wonder what is so hard about making an MMO everyone likes.

DeLindsay · July 2014

indytims_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Yep. To combat bots we are going to punish our paying customers.

While this is not a problem for me, I do understand that it is for a lot of people who test out looks and whatnot with the character creator. It is one of the bright spots in this game but like all other good things, it got nerfed.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

You can -see- your character just fine during creation. If that's not good enough... tough.

There is no 'punishment' in having this feature. Please dig deeper in order to find more to complain about, Mablung. You fail on this one.

Have to agree here. The character creation screen is quite good and there is no valid reason the average player will ever NEED to delete characters more than 3 times a day (or once per day after if it has a 1 charge per day refill limit). Every once in a blue moon maybe, but often no, that's something fishy going on.

reften · July 2014

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

It's really annoying and I had to deal with the exact same thing last week. I ended up not being able to play for a day, while waiting on the function to return.

Also, just a heads up: you only get back one delete per day, and I'm almost positive the clock is reset after your last delete. So if you delete a character at 2pm, then 4pm, then 8pm, you won't get a new delete option until 8pm the next day, at which point you'll get a single delete. If you log in at 9pm and use that delete, you'll have to wait until 9pm the next day to get a new one.

So basically, the 24 hour thing is a best case scenario assuming you don't actually use the deletes until they all reset after 3 days. Really annoying.

Wait... You were unable to play because you couldn't delete any more characters?

I had just come back to the game and decided to start fresh (I only had a level 8 or 9 from before). Like the OP, I created several characters trying to get the look right. Unfortunately, the name I was going to use for my character was among the first few I made, but done so after using my deletes (I had no idea the limit existed). So basically I had to choose between using the name I wanted and waiting until I could free it up, or use something else and play immediately.

I know a lot of people couldn't care less about character names, but I do so it was an issue.

So... What you're saying is that with only a level 8 o 9 pre-existing (ie: one character) you were unable to arrive at a look you liked after filling 7 other character slots and utilizing 3 deletes?

So, in ten tries you failed to realize that you can view your character without clicking the "Create" key?

I think in this situation, the problem might be you.

+1 internet

hk11 · July 2014

Qyrk wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

I had my first run in with the limited delete function today. I was making a character and naturally I need to try a few times to get the correct look.

Well maybe you shouldn't jump the gun and click create right away until you're fully happy with what you made. The preview before you create the character is more than enough.

What you get in game is sometimes different. I've had some decent looking characters develop downs after hitting ok.

Kuratla · July 2014

Since I've deleted exactly zero characters since early access, I'm totally fine with this bot stopping measure.

danno8 · July 2014

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

This is why I love public forums. One thread crying we are punishing honest players, and one thread saying it was a no brainier and players saying it was their idea and should have been done a month ago except for zani gross incompetence.

And people wonder what is so hard about making an MMO everyone likes.

hahaha!

Thread # 1:
"ZoS sucks! They should have implemented this idea months ago to combat the bots before everyone left the game!!!!"

Thread #2:
"ZoS sucks! They should never have implemented this stupid idea, they hate all their player base and this is the kind of stuff that is driving away all their customers!!!!

gg ESO forums.

Exarch · July 2014

Huh, it hadn't occurred to me that it had anything to do with bots, I had assumed it was to prevent people who get their accounts compromised by not keeping their password secure from having all of their characters deleted in one go; that would have helped out quite a lot of people in the WoW days, especially pre-authenticator.

mulv · July 2014

wow, just wow, really?? All people seem to do on here is moan about something, as soon as the Devs try to sort something or indeed do sort something then there is instantly another moan.

We moan about bots constantly......they try to help fix it with this delete limit, but no that is not good enough for some, so we will moan about the delete limit.

It really is not a big deal and quite a nice idea, and if you do screw up and use all your deletes you can't play for a WHOLE day, wow it is just ONE day of no gaming, surely we all have enough of a life to lead that we can't survive one day with out gaming??

babylon · July 2014

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

It's to combat bots remaking characters for a turn in quest that awards gold. They can run a script that nets quite a bit of gold that way and this will cut down on it.

Why can't they just flag accounts as bot/goldfarmer accounts and leave the rest of us alone. Surely it's obvious who is who by now.

Swordguy · July 2014

As always, you can thank the idiots who buy stuff from botters for real money.

mad.ferretb16_ESO · July 2014

danno816_ESO wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

This is why I love public forums. One thread crying we are punishing honest players, and one thread saying it was a no brainier and players saying it was their idea and should have been done a month ago except for zani gross incompetence.

And people wonder what is so hard about making an MMO everyone likes.

hahaha!

Thread # 1:
"ZoS sucks! They should have implemented this idea months ago to combat the bots before everyone left the game!!!!"

Thread #2:
"ZoS sucks! They should never have implemented this stupid idea, they hate all their player base and this is the kind of stuff that is driving away all their customers!!!!

gg ESO forums.

Maybe the answer is to have a feature to automatically create a thread with the opposite argument to save time.

I personally haven't deleted any character since I started but although I understand the problem the OP encountered it's entirely a one-off issue that's more than likely not going to effect anyone else.

Maybe they could add a warning to the delete process but that's about it.

The_Sadist · July 2014

Echoing everyone else, it's an awesome anti-botting measure.

If you seriously use up all your 8 slots, plus your daily deletes, and feel the need to point out this anti-measure is horrible for normal costumers.. Well you are definitely the 1%. It's one of the more reasonable anti-botting measures I've seen in all my years of gaming. It literally has next to no repercussions on an average gamer, I'm surprised this is even a topic.

Svann · July 2014

you didnt notice the notice right on the delete button?
delete (3)
delete (2)
delete (1)

?

steveb16_ESO46 · July 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Yep. To combat bots we are going to punish our paying customers.

Not combatting them punished us more.

Whisper292 · July 2014

discosoc wrote: »

First, I had no idea there was a delete limit until I hit it.

This was mentioned in the patch notes when it was implemented, and it tells right on the Delete button how many deletes you have available. When you hover over it, it tells you again, and if you still click Delete, you get a very large dialog box explaining the implications of said deletion, including ANOTHER notification that you only have three deletions available. Even after that, you still have to type DELETE into the box before deleting the character.