Not 1 he was so fast doing it i dont know how many the die log show me 3 but he did in 3 seconds maybe 4

Armitas wrote: »

Crushing shock is a 3 prong attack so one hit counts as 3 hits like flurry in a way.

3 hits?

It does 600 and cost nothing,and can be cast in defensive stand? i start to understand why all the players r in stick and light anyway he crush me badly just need to understand where i wrong thanks

I believe the point of the OP is the animation cancelling. You can do with any instant cast DD. He just picked one of the most powerful ones.

One can effectively cast must faster than animations were meant to allow. It is indeed something ZoS should look at. And before the defenders say it is needed for balance (or a class like NB would drop is dps drastically) it should go without saying that a proper fix should consider this. It is obvious it can be exploited currently to raise DPS far higher than intended. It is supposed to be a priority mechanic allowing your resource abilities the chance to fire on demand. This just happens to allow instant cast DD abilities to be cast far too fast.

Tamanous wrote: »

I believe the point of the OP is the animation cancelling. You can do with any instant cast DD. He just picked one of the most powerful ones.

+ I m good whit it u need a certain skill for do that spropely i do it whit dual wield and when i do propely is terrifying but thats was too fast especially whit the resistences i got!!!

MadLefty wrote: »

Tamanous wrote: »

I believe the point of the OP is the animation cancelling. You can do with any instant cast DD. He just picked one of the most powerful ones.

+ I m good whit it u need a certain skill for do that spropely i do it whit dual wield and when i do propely is terrifying but thats was too fast especially whit the resistences i got!!!

I am not against twisting (often called in other games if not in somewhat different ways). It offers a game play style some like. It is very interactive and demands coordination but it should NOT offer such DPS gains that makes doing such a thing unbalanced against builds that cannot do it.

It is only about balance. Obviously it offers too much DPS gain at this time. I noticed this with my NB. At first I was "cool" then became concerned over the far too impressive gain one is granted by it. It simply needs a little tweaking is all. Those abilities that cannot benefit should have balance build into them. Greater opportunities for defense against such practice should also exist when it is most exploitive.

Honestly pretty much what one can say about balancing anything.

Tamanous wrote: »

MadLefty wrote: »

Tamanous wrote: »

I believe the point of the OP is the animation cancelling. You can do with any instant cast DD. He just picked one of the most powerful ones.

+ I m good whit it u need a certain skill for do that spropely i do it whit dual wield and when i do propely is terrifying but thats was too fast especially whit the resistences i got!!!

I am not against twisting (often called in other games if not in somewhat different ways). It offers a game play style some like. It is very interactive and demands coordination but it should NOT offer such DPS gains that makes doing such a thing unbalanced against builds that cannot do it.

It is only about balance. Obviously it offers too much DPS gain at this time. I noticed this with my NB. At first I was "cool" then became concerned over the far too impressive gain one is granted by it. It simply needs a little tweaking is all. Those abilities that cannot benefit should have balance build into them. Greater opportunities for defense against such practice should also exist when it is most exploitive.

Honestly pretty much what one can say about balancing anything.

I think u r right cancel animation is really powerfull the dps became enormus even whit low cost abilities or spells, maybe devs will do something about it in the future!!

ItsRejectz wrote: »

All skills can have there animation cancelled, it is not just crushing shock.
Also, note that it's almost impossible to eradicated this when skills have no cool down timer. Prime example is DCUO! Because of nearly all the skills were instant, it meant clipping (animation cancelling) was exactly like in this game and the devs could not get rid of it.
So instead, they embraced it and started showing new power sets and combos perfect for clipping.

Ill tell you this now, i can tell you 1000000% animation cancelling will NEVER be removed from this game. Not unless the go the WoW/Wildstar/ffxiv route and add casting time+Cool down timers.

My advice, get used to it and incorporate it into your game.

Obviously I agree with you as mentioned in my previous post but the issue is the effect of doing so. It is more about exploiting the current system rather than what was intended. I use the word exploit lightly and do not blame doing what is allowed. ZoS so far hasn't received good reception by trying to balance by changing principle design concepts (i.e. biting jabs nerf that was later reversed) but some other fixes seem to work like increased resource cost for Streak. Perhaps they place a timer on skill usage where casting too quickly via animation canceling increases the costs of abilities. This retains the burst benefit of the tactic but the player must make allowance for the increased cost.

Crushing shock is not that powerful in pvp in many cases. It's a projectile, so people with shield block about 70% of the damage. Hitting a blocking resto staff user will return 3 x mana to him. It is reflected by spell reflects. One cast on a guy with harness magicka up gives him 300+ magicka.

It still has it's uses but not that great for dps purposes in cyrodiil.

Joy_Division wrote: »

OP: any skill in which an attacker uses animation cancelling will kill an unsuspecting defending pretty quickly.

Most people who animation cancel, however, aren't blocking. This means they are vulnerable to a crowd-control effect and take full damage from your attacks.

This is spot on. I am kind of a quick player who animation cancels like a mad man since release, because I have like so many spare clicks to put into something useful.

It´s either anim cancelling or block casting, both doesnt work well together. Try it yourself if you wont believe me.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

OP: any skill in which an attacker uses animation cancelling will kill an unsuspecting defending pretty quickly.

Most people who animation cancel, however, aren't blocking. This means they are vulnerable to a crowd-control effect and take full damage from your attacks.

This is spot on. I am kind of a quick player who animation cancels like a mad man since release, because I have like so many spare clicks to put into something useful.

It´s either anim cancelling or block casting, both doesnt work well together. Try it yourself if you wont believe me.

There are things I mostly animation cancel and things I mostly block cast. Does that make sense? XD

I always block-cast frag procs, because the animation gets cancelled completely and the frag travels so quick, that unless my target was already blocking he never has enough time to react. I also block-cast AoEs when in the middle of a massive battle.

When I'm casting Velocious Curse, Mage's Fury or Crushing Shock, I'll mostly animation cancel but it kinda depends on the target.If the target is a DK with scales I won't, as the light attack will come back to me.

Exactly. I was trying to point out, that its either/or in most cases not both together. And you can indeed shorten the shard proc time by anim canceling compared to blocking, just not by very much.

Aoe depends on the skill in use, i.e.: I always cancel my volatile familiar summon & the explosion, but block cast encase. I dont use impuls, but I think I would block cast it in most cases.

I love how all the PvE skills are becoming the norm now in PvP and the kiddies are crying about it. All viable PvP skills have been nerfed or buffed and now they are complaining about the PvE skills that recently are taking steam in PvP.

How about these threads go to the thrash can and we play the damn game. You have the option to use the skill as well.

Egg_Death wrote: »

I agree that these tactics are highly unnatural and unintuitive going into the game, but as I understand it the sorcerer is only barely competitive with the other classes because of these abilities. If they are removed expect huge buffs to sorc damage across the board. Instant cast abilities should be just that. Honestly there's no real reason a skilled mage should not be able to cast several spells at once.