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Griefers in ESO
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aleister✭✭✭✭How about 4 people dropping their ultimates in a crowded bank while a 5th person spams Impulse. Does that qualify? Happened in Riften this morning. VR pranksters.
This is the closest thing to griefing that I've seen -- repeatedly casting spells with big visual effects, running circles around people, having a flying summon out, that kind of thing. Depending on how the justice system stuff works out, if there are places where you will never be able to fight, it be nice if they could auto-stow pets and disable casts in banks in these places.1 -
SootyTX✭✭✭1) Training of mobs into my fight, clearing aiming to get me to accidently hit them with an aoe. Happened at least once or twice per play session when I was actually playing
2) Pair of NBs in Bangkorai were hanging out at a dolmen, as I got there and buffed up to fight they teleport strike'd in, so I leapt in as well - 3 against a dolmen is usually a fun fight, right? Only as soon as I I made contact they both vanished and sprinted off, leaving me to get targetted and killed. Clearly a designed griefing ploy, as when i said something in zone chat several others said these two had done the same thing to them.
3) The inevitable chest/node ninja looting as you kill the mobs at the location.1 -
Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Is griefing really possible in this game?
I mean, I read these posts about some guy who had the audacity to lay down Cleansing Ritual in the bank, and I think to myself, "Have these guys ever played an MMO?" That isn't griefing. It's annoying, but it isn't the same as having someone camp your corpse, steal your kills, etc.
I agree, it's not griefing. I brought it up as a question, not a position. However, repeated annoyance grows over time into blind rage. Why do you think the divorce rate is so high?
The point is, what's fun for you isn't necessarily fun for the next person in line in the bank...especially for the hundredth time. I'd say this thread is more about annoyance than griefing.
And no, if "get over it" actually was good advice, there wouldn't be any need for lawyers...0 -
Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭Moonscythe wrote: »*shrug* Some people don't realize the mobs won't attack them if they just stand there. It's almost an instinct for some folks to defend themselves when they see a red dot approaching them.
They won't? Then why do I get attacked by bandits and critters when I'm just minding my business trying to pick a flower or check my inventory? What am I doing wrong?
He's talking about mobs running after someone and/or running back. They won't aggro to you if you don't move. I've even attacked returning mobs out of their home territory, with no result.
However, if you are in their outer aggro range, you get a warning beat, and if you don't move out of the way right quick you'll draw them. Then it's Katie bar the door...Edited by Srugzal on July 25, 2014 6:42PM0 -
Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭1) Training of mobs into my fight, clearing aiming to get me to accidently hit them with an aoe. Happened at least once or twice per play session when I was actually playing
2) Pair of NBs in Bangkorai were hanging out at a dolmen, as I got there and buffed up to fight they teleport strike'd in, so I leapt in as well - 3 against a dolmen is usually a fun fight, right? Only as soon as I I made contact they both vanished and sprinted off, leaving me to get targetted and killed. Clearly a designed griefing ploy, as when i said something in zone chat several others said these two had done the same thing to them.
3) The inevitable chest/node ninja looting as you kill the mobs at the location.
For these things, especially 2) and 3), I am very grateful that we don't have built in voice channels. Nobody wants to hear the things I would scream at them... I'd get banned in a heartbeat.Edited by Srugzal on July 25, 2014 6:46PM0 -
I wouldn't say grieving but I've also had players watch me kill mobs around a chest and then they go grab it while I'm engaged. Yes I was clearing them out for you...riiiiiiiiiight.
Players who just stand there till the very end while you kill a dungeon boss, just so they can tag it and get the goodies At least toss me a heal or something to show you care
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Moonscythe✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Moonscythe wrote: »*shrug* Some people don't realize the mobs won't attack them if they just stand there. It's almost an instinct for some folks to defend themselves when they see a red dot approaching them.
They won't? Then why do I get attacked by bandits and critters when I'm just minding my business trying to pick a flower or check my inventory? What am I doing wrong?
If you come into their aggro range, they will attack you. But if someone else is just running by with a bunch of enemies in tow, they won't attack you unless you take action against them (or heal the runner).
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Is griefing really possible in this game?
I mean, I read these posts about some guy who had the audacity to lay down Cleansing Ritual in the bank, and I think to myself, "Have these guys ever played an MMO?" That isn't griefing. It's annoying, but it isn't the same as having someone camp your corpse, steal your kills, etc.
Yea I am starting to feel like some of these guys have, until this moment, played only Gaia and Habbo Hotel.
Also, I am constantly accidentally throwing down my ultimate.
Sometimes I shoot arrows at random people, which generally leads to them pretend attacking me back. It's fun.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Is griefing really possible in this game?
I mean, I read these posts about some guy who had the audacity to lay down Cleansing Ritual in the bank, and I think to myself, "Have these guys ever played an MMO?" That isn't griefing. It's annoying, but it isn't the same as having someone camp your corpse, steal your kills, etc.
Yea I am starting to feel like some of these guys have, until this moment, played only Gaia and Habbo Hotel.
Also, I am constantly accidentally throwing down my ultimate.
Sometimes I shoot arrows at random people, which generally leads to them pretend attacking me back. It's fun.
On offence intended, but I assume you also think its fun to make demeaning remarks about people who respond to the game differently than you.
Let's not go back to the bad old days in this forum where people were not tolerant of other viewpoints, okay?1 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Is griefing really possible in this game?
I mean, I read these posts about some guy who had the audacity to lay down Cleansing Ritual in the bank, and I think to myself, "Have these guys ever played an MMO?" That isn't griefing. It's annoying, but it isn't the same as having someone camp your corpse, steal your kills, etc.
Yea I am starting to feel like some of these guys have, until this moment, played only Gaia and Habbo Hotel.
Also, I am constantly accidentally throwing down my ultimate.
Sometimes I shoot arrows at random people, which generally leads to them pretend attacking me back. It's fun.
On offence intended, but I assume you also think its fun to make demeaning remarks about people who respond to the game differently than you.
Let's not go back to the bad old days in this forum where people were not tolerant of other viewpoints, okay?
I didn't realize I had to be tolerant of the kind of viewpoint that perceived every inconvenience as griefing, since that viewpoint, is in and of itself, hyper-intolerant.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.5 -
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✭✭andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »I have seen little if no griefing of any kind. At worse I am racing to a resource node and someone else beats me to it. I don't think I have had a single person steel a node while I clear out mobs from the area...which honestly is pretty amazing since I have played since beta.
Same. Think the most negative players are the ones complaining about people 'griefing' or 'trolling' and doing this whenever the opportunity arises in the forums or zone chat (generalization). Said players think the game evolves around some unwritten etiquette invented in their head. You see this in most, if not all online games
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Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »I didn't realize I had to be tolerant of the kind of viewpoint that perceived every inconvenience as griefing, since that viewpoint, is in and of itself, hyper-intolerant.
If that were the case, no, you wouldn't need to be, no. But I don't hear anyone making such global statements as you are suggesting.
But making other people's views look foolish by engaging in exaggerated misstatement, like you just did, on the other hand, is certainly intolerant, in my opinion. It's how flame wars start. Is that what you want here? Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it does matter how you express it.
I merely pointed out that you shouldn't make fun of people who have views you don't share. That's not much to ask, I don't think.
That's my view, please feel free to take it or leave it.
Edited by Srugzal on July 25, 2014 8:54PM1 -
Nebthet78✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The people that go around killing all the vamp and werewolf spawns when they KNOW there are other players looking to get bit. They will even try to join groups with other players in it that are trying to help others get bitten so they can kill the spawn.
If they want to kill Vamps and Werewolves they should go to the PVP area and kill them there.Far too many characters to list any more.3 -
KariTR✭✭✭✭✭...and then there are people who are simply begging to be griefed.Edited by KariTR on July 25, 2014 9:02PM0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »I didn't realize I had to be tolerant of the kind of viewpoint that perceived every inconvenience as griefing, since that viewpoint, is in and of itself, hyper-intolerant.
If that were the case, no, you wouldn't need to be, no. But I don't hear anyone making such global statements as you are suggesting.
But making other people's views look foolish by engaging in exaggerated misstatement, like you just did, on the other hand, is certainly intolerant, in my opinion. It's how flame wars start. Is that what you want here? Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it does matter how you express it.
I merely pointed out that you shouldn't make fun of people who have views you don't share. That's not much to ask, I don't think.
That's my view, please feel free to take it or leave it.
Some people need to be mocked. Not necessarily out of spite, but as a way to cope with the absurdity of the claims they make.
I simply can't reach through peoples' screens and shake sense into them.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
Sabin1269✭✭✭My biggest issues are with the guys who find it necessary to spam their spells and abilities in town and in the banks. It gets bad enough sometimes where you can't even see what your doing and I just leave and go somewhere else. I haven't come to reporting them yet but I'm getting close. The other big thing I've seen is the players who are harassing the RP people. I don't RP but if I see people doing so I just leave them be and usually leave so they can do their thing unless I have a reason to be there.1 -
Seravi✭✭✭✭✭I have to agree that killing the WW and vamp fiends is wrong. Very few spawn and there are usually a lot of players there waiting to get hit. I had that happen to me three times. Every time they would spawn, the groups ran in and killed them. Someone nice who saw it happen bit me for free because of what they did.1 -
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✭My biggest issues are with the guys who find it necessary to spam their spells and abilities in town and in the banks. It gets bad enough sometimes where you can't even see what your doing and I just leave and go somewhere else. I haven't come to reporting them yet but I'm getting close. The other big thing I've seen is the players who are harassing the RP people. I don't RP but if I see people doing so I just leave them be and usually leave so they can do their thing unless I have a reason to be there.
This pretty much emphasizes my point.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭Akiainavas wrote: »I only experienced a bit of zone chat spamming and trolling... nothing major though. I don't engage in PvP though, and I think that's where most of it happens.
I was once severely taken to task in these forums (more than a year ago now, thankfully) for suggesting that ganking is griefing... as it turns out, ganking is more like the national pastime in Tamriel, a sacred obligation, all thoughts of sportsmanship and rules of engagement thrown to the winds because, LOL dude, don't be a n00b, this is a MMO, ROFL.
Yeah, whatever, I don't do PvP much, either lol...
I can see why, it clearly isn't your forte.
Edited by apostate9 on July 25, 2014 9:42PM2 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »I didn't realize I had to be tolerant of the kind of viewpoint that perceived every inconvenience as griefing, since that viewpoint, is in and of itself, hyper-intolerant.
If that were the case, no, you wouldn't need to be, no. But I don't hear anyone making such global statements as you are suggesting.
But making other people's views look foolish by engaging in exaggerated misstatement, like you just did, on the other hand, is certainly intolerant, in my opinion. It's how flame wars start. Is that what you want here? Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it does matter how you express it.
I merely pointed out that you shouldn't make fun of people who have views you don't share. That's not much to ask, I don't think.
That's my view, please feel free to take it or leave it.
Well, there is the cat from page 1 who listed "getting killed by enemies in a PVP zone" as griefing, becuase they didn't send him a postcard telegraphing their attack first...
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Probitas✭✭✭The point about people joining guilds and then raiding is a good reason why the game needs a communal store, so people aren't forced to join a guild to attempt to buy something (which is no guarantee it's even IN the store). That's my biggest grief, ZOS guild=store attitude.1
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Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭
Relax, the whole comment was a joke.
And how you can presume to know what may or not be my "forte" as you call it, I'm sure I don't know. But whatever, live and let live. People come from different places in life and in gaming. There's nothing good or bad about any of it. I've adapted to the game world and its demands, and I'm having a great time with it. Everyone has to start someplace, right? I've been at it more than a year now, and lots of things that used to drive me crazy--like node stealing or ganking, for instance--don't bother me at all any more. Well, nobody likes to be ganked, but that's part of the game dynamic. What I reacted to back in the beginning, I kinda have fun with now. People are having their own kind of fun, why not? I'm nobody's nanny.
So yeah, I decided early on (during the beta) to save PvP for later. And I'll be bringing my three characters into the Veteran Ranks just in time for the whole system to change. Judging by the framerate issues, the combat balance issues, and the Cyrodill crashing issues, maybe that wasn't such a bad decision.
Edited by Srugzal on July 26, 2014 2:38AM1 -
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✭I was making a sword of EPICNESS in the Daggerfall blacksmithing shop when someone hit my thumb with a hammer. Way to many crafters in there....Edited by SG_Celerrimus on July 26, 2014 2:28AM2 -
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✭I have seen four types of griefers
(1) COD mail, say here is some free gold, but the mail is really COD (so you are paying them)
(2) Windridge Cave (now fixed), Going here would crash your client and some players could not log back in until a GM moves them. Lots of newbies got told to go here for free gold.
(3) Selling Vamp and Werewolf bites, this one is old, selling a bite, getting gold first but never giving the bite
(4) Training. (leading mobs into other players who are doing AOE, so they have too many mobs and die)
I was camping a boss I needed for an achievement in a Cyrodiil dungeon and it was near a skyshard. I killed the same player five times that was coming in for the skyshard while I was waiting for the boss to pop. He made a L1 toon on my faction just to hassle me for griefing him. I don't think I was, but the 6th time I let him GET the skyshard before killing him.Edited by Natjur on July 26, 2014 3:16AM3 -
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✭✭In Craglorn, when you are grinding burials, and players who are not part of your large group wait at these sites and aggro everything in sight and train them on top of your group knowing full well that your aoe's are going take aggro off of them and more than likely get your group killed.0