Griefers in ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

Akiainavas wrote: »

I only experienced a bit of zone chat spamming and trolling... nothing major though. I don't engage in PvP though, and I think that's where most of it happens.

I was once severely taken to task in these forums (more than a year ago now, thankfully) for suggesting that ganking is griefing... as it turns out, ganking is more like the national pastime in Tamriel, a sacred obligation, all thoughts of sportsmanship and rules of engagement thrown to the winds because, LOL dude, don't be a n00b, this is a MMO, ROFL.

Yeah, whatever, I don't do PvP much, either lol...

ganking isn't griefing.

Really every game has it's own unspoken rules of what is cool and what isn't.

Ganking wouldn't be griefing either way though, unless you were continuously hunting down the same person intentionally and doing it over and over.

I think that's a problem for a lot of people on the forums where they don't understand that just being put out a bit (there are almost no punishments for dying) isn't griefing.

I played in a game that was world pvp, and people there considered ganking griefing. Well some very vocal people. There I would say it was poor sportsmanship. If you have world pvp and the community has built up an expectation of some honor in combat, which is reasonable when you can be killed anywhere, it makes sense. It would just be poor sportsmanship though, not griefing unless you did it to one person over and over.

Here, where you have to make the active choice to go to the pvp zone and the setting is a war with achievable goals, supply lines, etc, ganking is business as usual, and definitely not griefing.

WyndStryke · July 2014

zhevon wrote: »

... All bank areas have this issue - its farking ridiculous. Occassionally some <bleep> thinks its fun to run a blood fountain or the mages who just have to have their clanifers or that flying thing with them all-the-time. I suggested awhile back that they make bank areas non-magical.

I frequently do that by accident. Doing inventory management in the bank, clearing out all the containers at the same time, press E to open it, R to loot it, but ESO lags out before the container opens and I end up wasting my ultimate, scaring everybody in the process.

I bet I've wasted my ultimate in the bank more often than I actually use it in combat. I do make a point of saying 'oops' or 'sigh, there goes my ulti yet again' in chat afterwards though...

Cody · July 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

...and then there are the opportunists who stand next to you, eyeing the 3 mob group consisting of 2 conjurers and a DK. You're thinking, good this should be easy with the two of us, same level, etc. You charge in all tanky, aggro all three of them, and this other player... takes advantage and just runs past, leaving you to deal with the casters and the conjured meanies & that green DK ultimate all by yourself.

Sure, it works out okay, but, seriously? If this were actually rare, that would be one thing. But some people are just antisocial, I guess.

that's what I have the most problem with. you are in a battle, and you actually need some help, then players just run by, leaving you to die. Another problem is exactly what you just posted. I'v done some dungeons, where players would try to sit in stealth, and let ME do all the fighting(did not work, I got them to join in, I actually talked to them in the chat, and told them if they wont help, then I wont do any fighting, that got them to start helping me, as I don't think they had any invisibility capabilities to let them sneak by the enemies) these are not really GRIEFERS but they are very annoying.

Srugzal · July 2014

Rylana wrote: »

I find this thread offensive. How dare you label us as griefers, we are roleplaying, I am sorry that you feel entitled to your form of roleplay more than mine.

/shovel
/dishonor

/fart

andre.roques.3b14_ESO · July 2014

I have seen little if no griefing of any kind. At worse I am racing to a resource node and someone else beats me to it. I don't think I have had a single person steel a node while I clear out mobs from the area...which honestly is pretty amazing since I have played since beta.

ItsMeToo · July 2014

WyndStryke wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

... All bank areas have this issue - its farking ridiculous. Occassionally some <bleep> thinks its fun to run a blood fountain or the mages who just have to have their clanifers or that flying thing with them all-the-time. I suggested awhile back that they make bank areas non-magical.

I frequently do that by accident. Doing inventory management in the bank, clearing out all the containers at the same time, press E to open it, R to loot it, but ESO lags out before the container opens and I end up wasting my ultimate, scaring everybody in the process.

I bet I've wasted my ultimate in the bank more often than I actually use it in combat. I do make a point of saying 'oops' or 'sigh, there goes my ulti yet again' in chat afterwards though...

Just remap your Ultimate to a different key. I moved mine to T and what T was used for to B. I can still reach T when I need it and I don't set off my Ultimate by mistake anymore.

Gecko · July 2014

Iluvrien wrote: »

2) If you try and RP in any space that is immediately available to the public, this has mostly applied to Inns, you always get someone, or on one occasion 3 people, jumping around you, spamming AOE effects and filling /say with spam.

...great times.

Report them for harassment. That is harassment plain and simple and should be worth a suspension at least. They are doing it for no other reason than to harass someone. At least with node stealing there is a reason.

I personally hate DKs that chain pull things away from people that are attacking it. I had a DK follow me around for a while doing this. He would wait until I attacked and then pull the mob. I was forced to switch back to my main skills as opposed to skill I was trying to level and just kill everything before he had the chance. That is really annoying.

eliisra · July 2014

People consistently using knock-backs on the mobs I'm fighting as mele. That made me afk a few times.

But I cant really say it's griefing or intentional, they might just be clueless or ignorant. Don't think I ever encountered anyone that beyond all doubt was trying to screw up my gaming experience or enjoyment. Not while doing PvE.

PvP would be another matter, there I've seen a lot of griefing. Not talking about jumping your enemies from sneak, that's intended. More like picking up the scroll than go swimming with the slaughterfish. Filling keeps with oil or useless siege in the back, to mess up defence. Helping enemy faction kill your own people by leaking information or even DK pulling them into keeps. That sort of stuff.

Srugzal · July 2014

Requiemslove wrote: »

Those times when you were in a gruelling battle, one you will just about pull through, and your fighting the last of say 4 enemies and some a-s-s-hat comes out of the blue and kills the last mob, just to get a bit extra xp. [when you would prefer they just go further on]

@Snugzal Just to be a counter to your point about others not attacking mobs when they are clearly eyeing them. For me, the opposite, the not attacking mobs you are obviously going to attack, is the social and right thing to do. My motto is don't get involved unless another player needs help. [unless the other player acts like a tool, then let em die. lol]

That's fair. The situation I have in mind here is primarily in dungeons, where there's no way around the mobs but to kill them. I think by and large the convention here is ad-hoc grouping (not in the official sense necessarily); we help each other get through the mobs to the boss and the skyshard -- the only reasons for being there, frankly -- and we both profit. I see less and less of that happening. I don't think using another player's combat skills to hopscotch past mobs is, well, sporting.

Now I don't mind if the exploiter is several levels lower and can't afford to aggro anything 3 or more levels higher. I don't mind that, and I'm happy to help out. They can get their skyshard and teleport back out, that's fine.

Frankly, I'd just as soon be alone in dungeons. In a group, they tend to be pretty hohum. Not even the bosses are all that challenging any more.

Srugzal · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Srugzal wrote: »

Akiainavas wrote: »

I only experienced a bit of zone chat spamming and trolling... nothing major though. I don't engage in PvP though, and I think that's where most of it happens.

I was once severely taken to task in these forums (more than a year ago now, thankfully) for suggesting that ganking is griefing... as it turns out, ganking is more like the national pastime in Tamriel, a sacred obligation, all thoughts of sportsmanship and rules of engagement thrown to the winds because, LOL dude, don't be a n00b, this is a MMO, ROFL.

Yeah, whatever, I don't do PvP much, either lol...

ganking isn't griefing.

Really every game has it's own unspoken rules of what is cool and what isn't.

Ganking wouldn't be griefing either way though, unless you were continuously hunting down the same person intentionally and doing it over and over.

I think that's a problem for a lot of people on the forums where they don't understand that just being put out a bit (there are almost no punishments for dying) isn't griefing.

I played in a game that was world pvp, and people there considered ganking griefing. Well some very vocal people. There I would say it was poor sportsmanship. If you have world pvp and the community has built up an expectation of some honor in combat, which is reasonable when you can be killed anywhere, it makes sense. It would just be poor sportsmanship though, not griefing unless you did it to one person over and over.

Here, where you have to make the active choice to go to the pvp zone and the setting is a war with achievable goals, supply lines, etc, ganking is business as usual, and definitely not griefing.

Seriously? Dude, did you think I wanted to go through all that again? Pfff. These days, honestly, I don't give a damn.

EDIT: Just to be clear... I would certainly agree with you.

KariTR · July 2014

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen little if no griefing of any kind. At worse I am racing to a resource node and someone else beats me to it. I don't think I have had a single person steel a node while I clear out mobs from the area...which honestly is pretty amazing since I have played since beta.

Yeah it's a good community in game...often not reflected on the forums.

ZOS did a great thing when they designed a game where kill-stealing isn't a thing. And if someone beats me to a node or chest? Fair-play. It wasn't my node, it's there for all.

Srugzal · July 2014

ItsMeToo wrote: »

WyndStryke wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

... All bank areas have this issue - its farking ridiculous. Occassionally some <bleep> thinks its fun to run a blood fountain or the mages who just have to have their clanifers or that flying thing with them all-the-time. I suggested awhile back that they make bank areas non-magical.

I frequently do that by accident. Doing inventory management in the bank, clearing out all the containers at the same time, press E to open it, R to loot it, but ESO lags out before the container opens and I end up wasting my ultimate, scaring everybody in the process.

I bet I've wasted my ultimate in the bank more often than I actually use it in combat. I do make a point of saying 'oops' or 'sigh, there goes my ulti yet again' in chat afterwards though...

Just remap your Ultimate to a different key. I moved mine to T and what T was used for to B. I can still reach T when I need it and I don't set off my Ultimate by mistake anymore.

I did that with weapon swap. I hit "`" so many times instead of "1" that I got a gaming mouse and mapped the swap to a button, and bash to another. What a relief...

I often hit "R" by mistake, but my ultimates are all targeted, so the big green circle gives me a clue... ;-)

Merlin13KAGL · July 2014

david271749 wrote: »

Liquid_Time wrote: »

This crazy woman graffitied my horse while I was at the local tavern.
Nuf said.

When armor dying goes wrong.

@Liquid_Time‌

"Crazy woman," "local tavern?"

@david271749‌, I think we all know what really happened here...

How many times must it be said?

You hide the dye before you hit the rye!

traigusb14_ESO2 · July 2014

People seem to go out of their way to ride or run through my fishing, if i'm not fishing in the ocean.

Lots of places for them to pass by, but they have to go right through the node.

Some jackass spent like 5 mins jumping up and down in a fish node in Craiglorn yesterday.

Doesn't stop me from fishing. Not sure what the point is.

WyndStryke · July 2014

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Requiemslove wrote: »

Those times when you were in a gruelling battle, one you will just about pull through, and your fighting the last of say 4 enemies and some a-s-s-hat comes out of the blue and kills the last mob, just to get a bit extra xp. [when you would prefer they just go further on]

That's not griefing. If you're in a tough battle like that and someone comes and kills the last mob, chances are they saw you were having a tough time and came to help out.

+1, I'm always happy when someone joins my fight.

WyndStryke · July 2014

ItsMeToo wrote: »

... Just remap your Ultimate to a different key. I moved mine to T and what T was used for to B. I can still reach T when I need it and I don't set off my Ultimate by mistake anymore.

Great idea, will have to give it a go this evening.

kassandratheclericb14_ESO · July 2014

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

People seem to go out of their way to ride or run through my fishing, if i'm not fishing in the ocean.

Lots of places for them to pass by, but they have to go right through the node.

Some jackass spent like 5 mins jumping up and down in a fish node in Craiglorn yesterday.

Doesn't stop me from fishing. Not sure what the point is.

I don't know that I could have fished as I'd been down in the floor laughing after a while.

Phantax · July 2014

EXCELLENT !

An instruction manual for griefers... just what this forum needs ! ! !

:O

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

Is griefing really possible in this game?

I mean, I read these posts about some guy who had the audacity to lay down Cleansing Ritual in the bank, and I think to myself, "Have these guys ever played an MMO?" That isn't griefing. It's annoying, but it isn't the same as having someone camp your corpse, steal your kills, etc.

Zorrashi · July 2014

There was this one week I came in and played, there was this one guy who came in on zone chat and started fuming political views. From then on, it became a debate, which turned into an argument, which turned into a...idk, but it was really kinda sad/annoying to see people verbally fighting with such intensity.

I only call him a troll, cuz he (or some other guy. idk. but it became a phase.) came on for like 2 days afterward doing the same dang thing. It is not a pretty sight to see.

Thechemicals · July 2014

People who I kill in pvp and respawn too fast for me to tea bag are pretty bad.

cracker81 · July 2014

Well had some guy pull 5 adds ran passed me. I did not attack them but as soon as I see them running back due to guy kept running. They started attacking me but I killed them thank god.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · July 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

How about 4 people dropping their ultimates in a crowded bank while a 5th person spams Impulse. Does that qualify? Happened in Riften this morning. VR pranksters.

Just wait until the justice system goes live, and then see how that works for them.

PSLAnimal · July 2014

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen little if no griefing of any kind. At worse I am racing to a resource node and someone else beats me to it. I don't think I have had a single person steel a node while I clear out mobs from the area...which honestly is pretty amazing since I have played since beta.

I've never had anyone have the brass to steel a node from me yet, but I guess I'd just talk to them and try to iron out our differences. I'd bet a nickel that they just didn't see you; no need to call in the coppers. I zinc you know what I mean.

Lunerdog · July 2014

PSLAnimal wrote: »

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen little if no griefing of any kind. At worse I am racing to a resource node and someone else beats me to it. I don't think I have had a single person steel a node while I clear out mobs from the area...which honestly is pretty amazing since I have played since beta.

I've never had anyone have the brass to steel a node from me yet, but I guess I'd just talk to them and try to iron out our differences. I'd bet a nickel that they just didn't see you; no need to call in the coppers. I zinc you know what I mean.

I wonder if anyone will "Cotton" on or if your comment will be "Void"

PSLAnimal · July 2014

Lunerdog wrote: »

PSLAnimal wrote: »

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen little if no griefing of any kind. At worse I am racing to a resource node and someone else beats me to it. I don't think I have had a single person steel a node while I clear out mobs from the area...which honestly is pretty amazing since I have played since beta.

I've never had anyone have the brass to steel a node from me yet, but I guess I'd just talk to them and try to iron out our differences. I'd bet a nickel that they just didn't see you; no need to call in the coppers. I zinc you know what I mean.

I wonder if anyone will "Cotton" on or if your comment will be "Void"

It's anebony's guess.

Lunerdog · July 2014

PSLAnimal wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

PSLAnimal wrote: »

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen little if no griefing of any kind. At worse I am racing to a resource node and someone else beats me to it. I don't think I have had a single person steel a node while I clear out mobs from the area...which honestly is pretty amazing since I have played since beta.

I've never had anyone have the brass to steel a node from me yet, but I guess I'd just talk to them and try to iron out our differences. I'd bet a nickel that they just didn't see you; no need to call in the coppers. I zinc you know what I mean.

I wonder if anyone will "Cotton" on or if your comment will be "Void"

It's anebony's guess.

I find that "Shard" to believe

Moonscythe · July 2014

Nova Sky wrote: »

*shrug* Some people don't realize the mobs won't attack them if they just stand there. It's almost an instinct for some folks to defend themselves when they see a red dot approaching them.

They won't? Then why do I get attacked by bandits and critters when I'm just minding my business trying to pick a flower or check my inventory? What am I doing wrong?

Asgari · July 2014

I once had a man come into chat yelling ARM like a mad man.... It is contagious as i now do it.

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

Moonscythe wrote: »

Nova Sky wrote: »

*shrug* Some people don't realize the mobs won't attack them if they just stand there. It's almost an instinct for some folks to defend themselves when they see a red dot approaching them.

They won't? Then why do I get attacked by bandits and critters when I'm just minding my business trying to pick a flower or check my inventory? What am I doing wrong?

If you come into their aggro range, they will attack you. But if someone else is just running by with a bunch of enemies in tow, they won't attack you unless you take action against them (or heal the runner).