Beesting wrote: »

The thing is that the bosses always seem to attack me first. Especially when i open with quick siphon cast on the boss.

The threat mechanics in this game seem very odd but it's possible you're opening up on bosses a bit too early and/or you're getting too close during the initial pull, might want to try to lay off and lay back a bit for a second or two to let your tank get aggro (e.g. hit 'em with a puncture to establish threat and give the tank a second to position the boss).

Beyond that if you're trying your best and learning from your mistakes then no you're not a "bad" healer, try to have fun while you're doing it and ignore the people that give you a hard time, it's a game after all and healing can be a tough role to fill much of the time.

Happy Hunting!

Beesting wrote: »

Hi, yesterday i was doing blessed crucible with three tanks. I was the healer.
It is a very chaotic dungeon with lots of hard hitting bosses and the fire beetles.
After we got wiped twice i received a lot of swearing from a pug member and that made me think:

Just a stab in the dark... but the bolded was probably more of an issue than your healing abilities.

use igneous shield, gives a 6 second buff to healing, farm for barrier and consider ward ally. I heal on my dk it's really fun, imo igneous shield is a must it's what makes dk heals stand out

* i found no use in quick siphon, on my bar I have combat prayer, igneous shield, healing springs, mutigen, ward ally, ulti war horn (ulti I get barrier) (use molton armor or banner if you have nothing in PvP) I am a V12 DK, built for every role, Tank, mage,melee, heals

Really depends, I heal on a templar and on a sorc, so I've had good and bad experiences with both. On the sorc, it is very important that people are infront of me or all grouped up, or they risk not getting healed since heals from the staff are directional or in a limited area. If the other players were spread out or moved away from you, then it was their fault, not yours. You should not be expected to chase people down to heal them. If they were standing in the red, it was their fault, not yours. You cant heal stupid.

Templars are a little easier to heal with as they have spells that dont require party members to be in front or in close proximity.

If you have good mana regen and dont seem to run out of magicka, then the fact you had 3 tanks and no dps should not matter too much, unless the boss berserks or something like that.

I understand the adds attack you but why the boss with 3 tanks? Maybe each one was doing dps thinking the others will tank or they will all tank at the same time and cancel each other? Not enough info to determine what went wrong but maybe an idea for you since you are DK : The earthen earth ability ingneous weapons that adds power and fire damage to your allies but also greatly improves the power of your staff (double power compared to your allies) and subsequent heals.

On my Templar I learned very quickly two things in Blessed Crucible:

1. Standing in the stupid cannot be negated, period.
2. Anyone foolish enough to try to tank the fire beetles or stand in the lava explosion/fire streams for the end fight deserves to die.

Really though, 3 tanks isn't the way to get through that dungeon painlessly. Especially if they were trying to turtle up in fights. You absolutely need cc in most groups running through there.

I've played as a primary healer in another game for 6 years. I learned very quickly that frequent complainers are frequent mistake makers.

Beesting wrote: »

Hi, yesterday i was doing blessed crucible with three tanks. I was the healer.
It is a very chaotic dungeon with lots of hard hitting bosses and the fire beetles.
After we got wiped twice i received a lot of swearing from a pug member and that made me think:

Am i a bad healer? Should i never attack any mobs in a dungeon?

I am level 49 and have been a healer since level 20, so it is pretty much maxed out.

@Beesting‌, was that the consensus this time through, or have
you heard this for the last 29 levels? If you haven't, then it's probably not that you're a bad healer.

There is a rhythm of things. True for your character, true for your group, and true for various dungeons. Sometimes it takes bit to find the balance between all three.

Also, your group member can sync with this, or they can go against it. If they do, they die. That simple.

Being a healer doesn't mean you keep everyone alive. It means you help keep everyone alive. They have to help you help them.

Should you never attack? Doubtful. It's situational. With the passives you have indicated, your heavy attacks actually help heal your group members - it's a freebie for them and for you, so why wouldn't you use it?

In regard to other attacks, it depends. Do you run out of magicka in the process, or do you have ample remaining to complete heals? Does use of your other two skills take enough time away that you are unable to heal effectively?

Again, this is situational. You have to gauge it and modify accordingly. Some dungeons, you may have to focus more on just healing, something difficult to do if you are used to helping out with DPS. At the same time, if you are not having healing issues, there is no reason for you to just stand there and look at the other three going "it's not my job."

I usually play it where I heal first, and assist with beating the boss down second. Sometimes I flat out ask "Do you want strictly heal, or heal/DPS?"

One last point, I am a good healer. But sometimes, people are gonna die. If you never had to change strategy (everyone, not just you), the dungeons would be too easy.

There's a way to make it through, you (all) just have to find it. The problem may not be on your end.

Beesting wrote: »

I am a DK woodelf with light armor, mages stone, magica enchants on all pieces.
My magica regen is overcharged at 70, i am vamp with supernatural recovery etc.

On my bar i have rapid regeneration, combat prayer and quick siphon. (And green dragon blood and burning talons for emergencies) bar 2 is flame with pulsar etc for normal questing.

The thing is that the bosses always seem to attack me first. Especially when i open with quick siphon cast on the boss.

I have been confused because i have the pasives essence drain 2/2 en cycle of life 2/2 and do a heavy attack on bosses and ads all the time. Seemed like a good idea.

What is the full layout of your full secondary skill bar? I find that group skill bar/solo skill bar sounds great in theory, but I usually have to have all 10 spots, so all 10, with a few exceptions, change regularly depending on the circumstance.

Your regen sounds good. With the right armor/provisioning, I don't suspect Magicka is an issue very often. When it is, that's what potions are for.

Aside from the fire thing, as a Vamp, you have some good bonuses in your favor. The only thing I might set up differently is the Quick Siphon.

Your healing spells affect you as well as your group. The return from Quick Siphon is less then great, in my opinion.

Put Drain Essence on there and get double duty out it. You're hurting your enemy, you're recharging your own Health and Stamina, and you're providing a 3 second stun where the rest of your group members should be beating the crap out of whatever you are draining. Rinse and repeat between heals...

Also, what stage do you stay in? The cost reduction (not just Vamp skills) in Stage 4 often outweighs the Health regen loss you incur. Again, healing spells work on you too.

As a healer, they attack you first, eh? Seems you got the same set of armor (the one with the bullseye crest on the front and the back) that I did.

Unless you are the high level guy, and even then, it's questionable, you probably shouldn't be leading the attack. You've got three other guys for that, and first hit gets first aggro - regardless of how it goes from there.

When they do decide they like you, move! Move alot. Move away, and if possible, kite your assailant back to the other three. It's your job to keep them alive, but it's their job to keep you alive. You die, they die. It's that simple.

Sometimes, your tanks need to move too. Being a tank with a healer doesn't mean you can completely disregard your own health bar. Sometimes you'll have to run to them, sometimes they'll have to run to you! (You may be busy defending yourself, you may not be able to see behind you.)

Beesting wrote: »

And i read that eso is different from other mmo's, mobs attack everyone, not just the tank.
In the blessed crucible last night two of them cam after me, while the other two were fighting the three tanks. Not very nice.

Any advice? Should i just open with rapid regeneration, count to 16, apply it again, and add combat prayer every 8 secs?
I think my magica regen can sustain it without using my purple restoration staff with a purple magica drain enchant on it for the heavy attack.

I know i can just go and do the dungeon again and try it out, but the results may vary, so i thought i would ask you guys and girls some advice.
Thanks

ESO seems to have equal opportunity aggro... While it does seem a little odd that every now and then (sometimes more often than now), the enemy will run right past the other three guys thumping on him to come after you, use it to your advantage. Back away while attacking with your staff or throwing a quick heal and with enough distance, he'll turn back to one of the others. The others should be doing all in their power to get him more interested in them and less interested in you. This often involves them pursuing while you go the other way.

We ran Wayrest Sewers one time with three people, a L19, a L26ish (me), and a VR2. End boss didn't care - decided she wanted me, and only me.

One of the greatest things you can do is have all four of you going four different directions. This forces your enemy to turn and switch targets regularly. The more your enemy moves, the less your enemy attacks.

If you have three tanks, one should almost always have at least an eye on you. Again, you die, they die. Also, think of it like a tag team idea...low health guy bows out for a sec, gets healed, jumps back in and gives someone a break.

When I say you have a rhythm, it's a rhythm, not necessarily a repetition. Lead off with Rapid Regen, even Combat Prayer. This gives them some bonuses going in the door. Think of it like taking vitamins before you get sick. Let them take the first swing, though.

Don't be afraid to cast early. If your regen is generally good, you don't have to wait until Regen expires to cast it again. Let the damage they take (and it's okay if they take some damage - they're tanks) and your magicka be your guide.

Don't cast too often. Get a feel for when your spells expire, know that you can drop Combat Prayer three times in a row if you have to, but you will have diminishing returns. A second or two of quiet in between will usually not kill your group members. In the same respect, if you Magicka is good, and everyone is healthy, a free cast of this will never hurt your party members, so you can cast sometimes even if they don't (yet) need it. Know what your spells do - an instant cast held off to the last minute can be worth far more than a heal-over-time cast early and often.

Use your heavy Restro attacks from a distance. They heal your party, they restore Magicka to you.

Sometimes, even in a group, you're on your own. There will be circumstances where you will have to fend for yourself. Same is true for your party members. In this particular dungeon, your fellow players need to be aware that you have to have a special aversion to fire, so you will be doing a bit more bobbing and weaving than usual.

Lastly, none of you should wait until you're out to take potions...if you're halfway down and you know you're going to burn through health/magicka more, take the potion now! It will be fighting the burn and the cooldown will already be ticking away, as opposed to waiting until zero and then really needing that second potion...

One other thing I like to use, and one that often gets underestimated, is the Undaunted Blood Altar. Odds are, one or more of you has this. ("Tank, heal thyself.") While the benefit from 40% increased regen may seem meager, it can sometimes be the difference between just getting by, and doing it all over again.

Repeat after me: "I am a healer." You've pursued this for 29 levels. You'll find your method, and you'll be great!

I tried healing several times of my Sorcerer but ultimately got frustrated at PUGs running half way across the map and completely out of my of my heals. Once they inevitably die they complained about how bad of a healer I was and despite educating them about how the healing system works in ESO they proceeded to moan and groan. Never again, well, not until I make my Templar.

So you might have been a bad healer, or your 3 tanks might have been idiots (seriously, 3 tanks that's a whole lot of taunting). Your character isn't optimised to heal but that doesn't necessarily mean you're bad, but a Breton Templar would probably do a better job (or not depending on who's behind the wheels). Don't let one bad experience get you down, if it's a consistent thing you might be to blame though.

As others have said, three tanks isn't ideal, and you can't do anything about people not blocking heavies or standing in the fire. I have numerous videos of dungeon runs I did with friends and although I thought it was my fault when it happened, I watched the videos to see their deaths were mostly instant from their own failure to react.

As for your build, I would personally drop talons and blood and replace them with Grand Healing and Obsidian Shield.

Combat prayer can be very inefficient, particularly if you are indeed using it three times in a row. It's best saved for when your entire group is bunched up and gets hit by an AoE effect. It's only a light burst of healing so the cost makes it not worth it if you aren't hitting more than 1-2 people.

Unless you are a templar Healing Ward is the only chance you have of saving people that run to far away. Expecting people to self heal is a bad idea it won't happen.

Beesting wrote: »

I have finished all the dungeons except selene's web and the coldharbour ones, most more than once.

Before i go into a dungeon i make sure my vampire stage is on one.
I have a purple fire resist ring that gives 900 resist.

@Beesting, You don't survive all of those once if you suck, let alone multiple times.

I know it seems counterintuitive, but try it stage 4, just once - stage 2 or 3, if it makes you nervous. The health regen difference is 30, 40 at the most. If you avoid like crazy for 1 second to gain 30 more health, you're probably gonna die anyway.

Mouse over the cast cost at stage 1, then again at Stage 4. If you can get one extra cast in the process, it's just paid for itself. Try it once, you may never Feed again...

The_Sadist wrote: »

I tried healing several times of my Sorcerer but ultimately got frustrated at PUGs running half way across the map and completely out of my of my heals

@The_Sadist‌, first one's free...and that's if you're feeling generous (and usuallly if everyone's below level 20 a very inexperienced with dungeons).

Fortunately, as you say, this usually takes care of itself.

drkeys143 wrote: »

Not going to quote it, it's too long lol, but Merlin is absolutely on the money with everything he/she has said, I doubt you are a bad healer, 3 tanks and healer isn't an optimal group anyway.

Sometimes people expect they can wade in and start flailing around, standing in the red zones, and it doesn't matter, the healer will keep them going. It is their job to keep the healer alive as well, to run to you if they are in trouble, making it easier to do your job, everything is a co-op, you heal them, and DPS when you can, they deal with the aggro and try to look out for you also

@drkeys143‌, are you saying I'm wordy?

I like to cover all bases, and what you have added is right on target, as well. The best groups understand that they have a role, but sometimes they have to step outside of it every now and then.

Happy adventuring!

The fact that you asked that question means you are probably good, or have the potential to be good.

3 tanks makes no sense. Also, it does seem like they should have been able to hold aggro, though I would let them grab it before making any attacks yourself.

I have heard heal aggro is bad in this game. I haven't done any healing, however.

Lots of good responses here, anyway.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

Hi, yesterday i was doing blessed crucible with three tanks. I was the healer.
It is a very chaotic dungeon with lots of hard hitting bosses and the fire beetles.
After we got wiped twice i received a lot of swearing from a pug member and that made me think:

Just a stab in the dark... but the bolded was probably more of an issue than your healing abilities.

I would have to agree with the above statement as well. With three tanks, each of them could be using threat generating abilities. If used to often, the boss then becomes immune to the threat and chaos ensues.

Perhaps the tanks had no idea what they were doing.

Med armor is an odd choice for a healer. However I'm more curious why you guys had 3 tanks.

"Should I not attack"?

YES, you should attack. I have a group I've played with for years in all sorts of games, so we are comfortable with each other. At first, I tried the "I just heal" route, using resto staff just to regain magicka.

When I switched to "attack as much as I can while not forgetting to heal" everything was much smoother. We rolled through every dungeon. Most boss fights I would spend at least half my time/resources attacking the boss. Trash fights I would barely heal at all.