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Another WW thread.
Brandoid
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Anyone else want WW to be ultra murder mode? I don't exactly agree with the direction ZOS is taking WW, I'm referring to the quakecon QnA.
I think WW should keep very high ult cost, have a few more abilities on bar, have significantly increased hp ans stam pool buffs and hp and stam regen buffs, keep timer, maybe give WW cc immunity. Something like that is what I want instead of making something else more like everything else. There is already a thing with different kinds of abilities that you get to be all the time, it's called vampire. I don't want WW to be a thing that makes you have different abilities that do slightly higher damage than your class abilities. I want peoples' reactions to a WW appearing to be, " Oh ****".
Biggest problem with this is that classes don't generate ultimate at the same rates and player that don't know any better will call nerf when a WW devours them.
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Edited by Brandoid on July 23, 2014 3:57AM I think WW should keep very high ult cost, have a few more abilities on bar, have significantly increased hp ans stam pool buffs and hp and stam regen buffs, keep timer, maybe give WW cc immunity. Something like that is what I want instead of making something else more like everything else. There is already a thing with different kinds of abilities that you get to be all the time, it's called vampire. I don't want WW to be a thing that makes you have different abilities that do slightly higher damage than your class abilities. I want peoples' reactions to a WW appearing to be, " Oh ****".
Biggest problem with this is that classes don't generate ultimate at the same rates and player that don't know any better will call nerf when a WW devours them.
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Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack
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dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭problem with an "oh sheee" type ability is on ESO, someone WILL find a cheese build that will allow you to maximize it's use and people will copy (flame trains in cyrodiil anyone?)PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
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he agree's, but what he means is make them unstoppable *** machines with a large ulti cost during WW form instead of making them spammable usage that isn't as strong as *** mode, as i said this would be cheesed and abusedtordr86b16_ESO wrote: »op you're wrong, ww needs love.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
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✭✭✭✭Ultimates are just too useful to be tied to something with such a high cost. No ultimate that takes that long to build, regardless of how good it is once you get it built, is worth it in terms of build efficiency.
My solution: Create a unique resource system for WW. We'll go with "Rage" for now, but it probably would need a better name. Once you accumulate X Rage you can transform. That way the ultimate slot remains open and builds don't have to suffer.
When transformed, I would then give WWs an ultimate that appears on their bar when they are transformed that can only be used while transformed. So basically, the act of transforming would no longer be the ultimate.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
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Brandoid✭✭✭problem with an "oh sheee" type ability is on ESO, someone WILL find a cheese build that will allow you to maximize it's use and people will copy (flame trains in cyrodiil anyone?)
Seeing how WW damage is based on stam and there are soft caps for stam, and ult cost can only be reduced by so much, the only cheesy thing a player could do is zerg dive over and over to build ult as fast as possible so they can use a timed ult that you can't build as much ult in like you can with aoe.Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0 -
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he agree's, but what he means is make them unstoppable *** machines with a large ulti cost during WW form instead of making them spammable usage that isn't as strong as *** mode, as i said this would be cheesed and abusedtordr86b16_ESO wrote: »op you're wrong, ww needs love.
I don't mean for WW to be unstoppable as in unkillable so much as a thing you don't want to get targeted by. There is already fighters guild tree and the poison damage WW's take that makes certain weapon abilities very strong against them.Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭problem with an "oh sheee" type ability is on ESO, someone WILL find a cheese build that will allow you to maximize it's use and people will copy (flame trains in cyrodiil anyone?)
Seeing how WW damage is based on stam and there are soft caps for stam, and ult cost can only be reduced by so much, the only cheesy thing a player could do is zerg dive over and over to build ult as fast as possible so they can use a timed ult that you can't build as much ult in like you can with aoe.
actually you can ulti reduction and WW duration extend and if buffed to work like OP wants, they'll have WW form up about 80% of the time. 15% reduction (nerfed soon woot) and 33% bonus duration is nothing to wiggle a finger atPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
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Brandoid✭✭✭problem with an "oh sheee" type ability is on ESO, someone WILL find a cheese build that will allow you to maximize it's use and people will copy (flame trains in cyrodiil anyone?)
Seeing how WW damage is based on stam and there are soft caps for stam, and ult cost can only be reduced by so much, the only cheesy thing a player could do is zerg dive over and over to build ult as fast as possible so they can use a timed ult that you can't build as much ult in like you can with aoe.
actually you can ulti reduction and WW duration extend and if buffed to work like OP wants, they'll have WW form up about 80% of the time. 15% reduction (nerfed soon woot) and 33% bonus duration is nothing to wiggle a finger at
80% WW uptime? How do you figure?
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✭✭it's really early and i'v not much sleep but 15% (from dragon set) of about 700 is about 100 ish ulti so thats now about 600 ulti, then you have some passives that reduce it further (most is sorc at another 15% so thats now 500 or so ulti) and the 33% duration increase from the hercine set would give you about 80 seconds of WW + feeds adding into it you'll have spent enough time in form to generate about 300-400 ulti depending on how you did, i'm sure theres other ways but to tired to brainPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
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nvsg✭✭✭dude I have not gave up on ww and never will once a ww always a werewolf but they said there already adding 2 more skills to it if they put the cost down to use it will be fine but we definitely need a dmg buff and yes I thought of a half fur shield that you have to break then health starts depleting would be better than having the same health maybe a health boost or health regenerates faster would be key0 -
nvsg✭✭✭oh and I also forgot to add that they need to change berserker to the color black instead of the beginning grey I say that is all(before I go werewolf on them!)0
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he agree's, but what he means is make them unstoppable *** machines with a large ulti cost during WW form instead of making them spammable usage that isn't as strong as *** mode, as i said this would be cheesed and abusedtordr86b16_ESO wrote: »op you're wrong, ww needs love.
overreacting, ever heard of it?0 -
Brandoid✭✭✭How about this:
Werewolf
Balanced out with higher damage, more abilities, lower ult cost or toggle, whatever.
Pact Leader
Same as above only it gets great buffs from running with other WW. Increased timer or whatever they do.
And finally...
Berserker
Turns WW form into ultra murder mode, a very high cost ult. While in WW form you get massive health, stam, and respective regen stat buffs. Large resistance ratings for everything, including poison (which doesn't make sense on a WW anyway) fire, disease, etc., and the cost to sprint and cc break gets significantly reduced. In this form you are subject to the usual timer, cannot heal besides passively.Edited by Brandoid on July 23, 2014 8:43PMBrandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭Werewolves need love for sure... and more options. Also, make the Berserker morph look cool like the Pack leader option.0