Item management?

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Item management?

In a game about collecting stuff, it baffles me when management limits our ability to collect stuff.

Logan9a wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Item management?

In a game about collecting stuff, it baffles me when management limits our ability to collect stuff.

The game is about collecting stuff?


Is it called Elder Stuff Online?

Fleymark wrote: »

SirJesto wrote: »

Logan9a wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Item management?

In a game about collecting stuff, it baffles me when management limits our ability to collect stuff.

The game is about collecting stuff?


Is it called Elder Stuff Online?

Actually, it's Elder Everything is Stupid Easy Except Inventory Management Scrolls Online, apparently.

It's easier to kill the boss of the game, solo, than it is to deal with inventory. 4 months into release they announce that they are scrapping and revamping the entire post 50 game that they originally designed....But are convinced that their vision and implementation of the worst inventory system ever is sound. Lol

Ponder that.

The game is about collecting stuff?

It is just another awesome Sheogorath prank.

Come again? Elder Scrolls Games have always been about taking absolutely everything that isn't nailed down and stuffing into crates, chests, cupboards, sacks etc. in your house. Oh, wait...

Anyway, a game with ES in its title is supposed to be a pack rat's paradise. Until now, I guess.

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

Come again? Elder Scrolls Games have always been about taking absolutely everything that isn't nailed down and stuffing into crates, chests, cupboards, sacks etc. in your house. Oh, wait...

Anyway, a game with ES in its title is supposed to be a pack rat's paradise. Until now, I guess.

QFT

Logan9a wrote: »

Why would any rational person put a limit on bank space you can buy?

It is one of the few gold sinks in this game.

After reaching 240 spaces in the bank no more?

When you find a harddrive that does not get more expensive with increasing capacity and servers that costs the same wheter they service 100 thousend request per second or a 1 Billion, tell us.
I would love to see how they broke the rules of Physics to archieve that.


They cannot offer more bank space at the current time. Too high cost in scaling the servers up.
The limit of bankspace is not the main issues anyway.
That you need that much bank space, is the issue.

Betwen Crafting Materials and Trophies the needed inventory space got a bit bigger then originally planned.
I am pretty sure they are putting of a "Jewelry" crafting skill until they got thier solution implemented. No point adding even more inventory sink while there is already too much.

Once they found a feasible way to store this data without too much extra server infrastrcuture, the bank and inventory space avalible will propably be appropirate.
Don't buy a game that early if you want it fully polished. If you do anyway:
Your choices. Your consequences. Welcome to the world of the Grown Ups.

I'd like to add that I'm well aware of the implications of ESO being a multiplayer game, and the fact that there's supposed to be some sort of "functional player economy".

In no way am I clamouring for "unlimited" space. But the limitations of the current systems are severe. Each play session, no small proportion of game time has to be used for bank organization, to avoid utter chaos down the road and characters being useless for play in the next session due to a full inventory. Any change that would improve space available (e.g. higher stack numbers for crafting materials, classes of items not counting toward the slot limit, etc.), exchange/organization of items between characters and between characters and bank, and ease of use, would be welcome indeed.

zgrssd wrote: »

Logan9a wrote: »

Why would any rational person put a limit on bank space you can buy?

It is one of the few gold sinks in this game.

After reaching 240 spaces in the bank no more?

When you find a harddrive that does not get more expensive with increasing capacity and servers that costs the same wheter they service 100 thousend request per second or a 1 Billion, tell us.
I would love to see how they broke the rules of Physics to archieve that.


They cannot offer more bank space at the current time. Too high cost in scaling the servers up.

You seriously think having 1000 Ore in a stack rather than 100 will break their servers? You aren't kidding us are you?

Wizzo91 wrote: »

I still don't see your problems here. I have no item management problems what so ever and I craft in all professions. (4 of them maxed out)

I have one mule, which holds my trophies, maps, costumes, etc.

You probably randomly stuff everything you loot into your bank and don't think about the consequences.

Maybe you should also start sorting items out that you will most likely never use again (everything under VR) and sell them.

Of course there could be more space - but in my opinion not necessary.

The classic "I have no problem so there is no problem" post.

The fact that you have 4 of 6 crafts maxed just means you are ahead of the game. Depending on how you do your crafting, you are only going to have so many points to spend on it at any given time. Thus causing the inventory problem.

And that's what's just so completely moronic about this system. It's supposed to be to limit crafting but there is already a limit on crafting...points. The farthest there are more than enough total points available in the game seems to distract everyone from the fact that those points aren't all available at once. So,while you are levelling up your toon and initial crafts, you have tons of mats you need to stick away till you can get to those trades.

Prioritizing what to keep after you have everything skilled up is a no brainer. Duh. It's getting, say, 4 crafts up while levelling because you need the food and gear as you go AND storing everything you find for alchemy and enchanting for later when you have the points to do them that's the problem. Alchemy and enchanting mats are hard enough to come by that you would be crazy not to keep what you get along the way, but the other crafts are likely a higher priority while levelling.

And this is all before you consider trophies, maps, research materials, etc. God forbid you actually have a sentimental attachment to a piece of gear you want to keep just because you do.

This system is just absurd and your mileage is going to vary depending on how you prioritize and break down the crafting load at what stage in your toon or toons development.

I now officially can not count high enough to count all the bank space threads on this forum. I can do Pi to the 5th decimal....

:P

Akiainavas wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

If someone has the means and wants to spend more than that, why limit them? Why would you care one way or the other?

Because one player should not be able to herd 1000000000 items. Simple as that. There should be a limit to your inventory, and there should be a limit to bank space.

Why ? Many reasons. Let me give you an example from a game I should not name - you buy ALL the mats from auction house and relist them at 10 times the price, as a certain rich person who most likely had no life did - completely ruining the economy for months, even though we're talking about 1000+ stacks. With limited space he wouldn't be able to do it. That's just one example.

Now, how many slots should we be able to have - that's a different question. But in my opinion, a limited number is necessary.

A guild could do the same thing.

In fact, I would bet the farm that there are individuals in this game right now doing it with dead guilds that they have control of the bank. It's been discussed before here on the forums. A lot of guilds were formed around release that are now populated by inactive accounts and a leader who uses the bank as personal storage.

You just don't see the effects up close and personal like the other game because there's no auction house here. But it's happening.

Meanwhile those of us who don't exploit the guild system have to use half our character slots and generally have the pee annoyed out of us daily. This isn't a challenge. It's not a substantial limit on crafting. All it is is an annoying required trip to a filing cabinet once every play session or two.

And it's not about "hoarding" either. So sick of hearing that. We are talking about having adequate storage for multiple toons doing multiple crafts without having to destroy what we have earned. Not having enough inventory per toon is ridiculous as is being forced to use a shared bank for everything else. You can't even store extra gear in the bank without it being mixed in with research items and showing up in the decon list on tools, for Pete's sake.

You have compounding issues, here. There just isn't enough space to begin with and it's very poorly designed and implemented.

Seroczynski wrote: »

lol I don't understand how so many people can have problems with their inventory.

I have two main characters (VR12 and VR3) and a new alt, no mules and 110 inventory slots on my main characters and 170 bank slots. I have all professions at 50 (except Enchanting) and can store more than I need for my crafting needs.

No need to craft sub-50 items, so I sell those materials.
No need to keep lame Trophies, so I destroy those.
No need to keep on to items / gear I will never use, so I sell / deconstruct those.

What's left is a bank full with VR crafting materials and items which are to be researched.

Fleymark wrote: »

The classic "I have no problem so there is no problem" post.

Could be said the other way around as well mate. Not everyone has trouble with inventory management, but they don't open threads so they come in here and share their story.

Another classic "I have no problem so there is no problem" post. An even better specimen than the earlier one, even.

You have two vet level toons that you craft for and your bank is full? There's the first indication of a problem right there.

Not everyone only wants to play vet levels. Or two toons. If you had 7 toons of various levels that you wanted to craft for, your bank situation would be a lot different, wouldn't it?

In fact, this sums up the whole problem.....This ridiculous inventory system is supposed to limit crafting all crafts. But it doesn't. What it does limit is people just being able to play the game with the 8 character slots that they pay for. If your bank is full that means every new char has to always carry everything. It's absurd.

You don't care to keep your trophies and destroy them? Good for you. Not everyone wants to destroy unique items they've earned.

The items and gear "you will never use" is easy to sort out when you limit yourself to two of eight characters.

I'm happy that it works for you. But to present yourself as typical of the hundreds of thousands of people playing this game or to suggest this is how everyone should Olay simply because of bank limitations is ridiculous.

in what MMO is there unlimited bank space?