jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

You are basing your assumptions on a 1 min video used to outline a future content update that would currently be considered pre-alpha.

Wait until more information is available. There is no way to know final item values yet, they are likely just using place holders. Additionally, just because they haven't finished pickpocketing or added a loot table to dead npc's it does not mean they won't.

Chill, it's still months away anyway

Imagine how many bugs they could otherwise squash in those 'months'....

It is not such simple issue.

They cant make crime generate huge amounts of profit , neither can the bounty hunter, first , because not everyone wants to take part in this.

But if the best by far way to get gold in the game is this , people will feel forced , you can bet , the nerf would follow.

Outside that , there is also the issue of exploits that can suface if the players can profit a lot from killing bounties , they would just trade this.

And the list of possible issues goes on.

Maybe they are putting this in place not so much for the profit value but to make provisioning more difficult to level, atm it is far too easy imo. As provisioning mats are the most common in cities it will encourage players to go out into the open world & find these or take the risk of getting caught when stealing. As for killing NPC's as is reflected in another post, it may just be a case of preparing the game for TG & DB quests, which I assume would be stealing (TG) & murdering NPC's (DB), I personally hope they will make it so essential NPC's are not killable e.g. bankers, merchants, quest givers etc. But as said by other people this is in the very early stages of development so more information will be released closer to the time. I think its good that there is a risk to acquiring items from cities as it will create more of an economy for motifs & provisioning, the purple & gold motifs are meant to be rare but atm players are logging in, looting, logging for a few mins, logging in & all the containers are reset, if there is a risk to looting city containers it may actually make them rare again.

Well they said that you can't give quest givers. I believe it extends to all essential npc's which are merchants, bankers etc. All random npc's that got 1 line to speak are the ones to be slaughtered

Ofc speculating is nice and all but hey let's just not yet at least doom this great future content. Yes I said great because it will be, if not right away then we will improve it so that it will be! Hooray^^

Hmm. Maybe ESO can limit NPC kills to only once every 12 to 24 hours per account? That would alleviate fears about NPCs being "harvested" in cities, but it might also open up a whole 'nother can of worms.

twev wrote: »

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

You are basing your assumptions on a 1 min video used to outline a future content update that would currently be considered pre-alpha.

Wait until more information is available. There is no way to know final item values yet, they are likely just using place holders. Additionally, just because they haven't finished pickpocketing or added a loot table to dead npc's it does not mean they won't.

Chill, it's still months away anyway

Imagine how many bugs they could otherwise squash in those 'months'....

The same amount without working on this feature, as they are done by two different teams.

And 1 gold is better then 0 gold which those same items are worth at the moment.

If they make the rewards too high, everybody will feel as if they have t commit crimes even if they really don't want to. It should be a gimmick for those people that actually care about it.

EliteZ wrote: »

twev wrote: »

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

You are basing your assumptions on a 1 min video used to outline a future content update that would currently be considered pre-alpha.

Wait until more information is available. There is no way to know final item values yet, they are likely just using place holders. Additionally, just because they haven't finished pickpocketing or added a loot table to dead npc's it does not mean they won't.

Chill, it's still months away anyway

Imagine how many bugs they could otherwise squash in those 'months'....

The same amount without working on this feature, as they are done by two different teams.

And 1 gold is better then 0 gold which those same items are worth at the moment.

If they make the rewards too high, everybody will feel as if they have t commit crimes even if they really don't want to. It should be a gimmick for those people that actually care about it.

People keep saying 'two different teams' like it's a magic incantation.

Try this one:
'There's a budget, and both teams get paid out of the budget.
When the dev team gets bigger, but the budget stays the same size, the bug team gets smaller.'
Just one example:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118603/potency-runes-why-do-they-only-stack-up-to-20#latest
Still a bug, still causing probs with people's storage, and they hope to fix it 'eventually'.

Zeni may be big, but they aren't awarded an infinite budget to make both teams huge. They make the teams as big as they need to be without going over the budget.
And if the bug team was bigger, and or made up of more of the people with a working knowledge of the coding on the dev side, the bugs would be squished faster.

'Budget'.
It aint infinite, and it's never enough to do a lot of the work 'now'.
They just hope it's enough to do the work 'soon' before soon becomes 'someday', or 'never'.

Believe it or not, that does tie back into discussions of whether the game was released too soon to fix some of the bugs at launch, and how many of the bugs were there because the budget constrained the manpower to work on many of the issues pointed out in beta testing.
A lot of those bugs we saw at launch were still there from beta because the 'budget' wasn't big enough to do all the code fixing 'before' launch, so we're still seeing issues 'after' launch.

The bug squishing team is only big enough to make progress when they can and at least try to tread water.
Budgets don't care about '2 different teams', they only care about 'total people on the payroll'.

Clearly, the dev team has to innovate or the game stagnates.
Just as clearly, the bugs have to be fixed.
And a lot of that initial fanbase zerg rush unsubbed in the first month due to bugs than due to stagnation. And a lot of people are still buying the game and unsubbing due to bugs either new or still there.

Edited to insert the link.

I'm kind of indifferent to the whole thing. Aside from a justice system being in earlier tes titles I've yet to understand why people are so frothing at the mouth about it and have been ever since it was announced. It seems like something that'll be marginally fun and interesting on the first day or two and then will be a monumental pita every day after that lol, but I'll reserve actual judgement till I see it.

What I do not understand is why this is a priority, along with any other number of superficial features that are coming, but class balance and balance between stamina and magicka builds must be done "incrementally," they are saying, over a year.

I would think half the classes and half the builds being wildly out of balance, in a PvP game at that, would take priority over this trivial fluff, but maybe that's just me.

Logan9a wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

There are several NPC's in the game whose annoyance factor is high enough for me to want to murder them.

Bards and musicians.

Im pretty sure quest givers, bankers, vendors will be off limits.

It must be a precursor to Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood content. Didn't like those 2 in Skyrim that much, thought Oblivion handled it better.
Killing an NPC that deserves it ( evil type, wronged someone, self defence ) is one thing but murdering an innocent?

Socially detrimental and one of the reasons games now come with ratings, if you remember all the hysteria a few years back.

Kulthax wrote: »

Why all of the discussion about the justice system. They stated that this would not be out for at least a year.

Where/when did they state this?

DeLindsay wrote: »

Kafolarbear wrote: »

What is the point of stealing and murdering with the upcoming justice system?

Have you ever even played a TES game before? The point of the Justice system is to bring ESO closer to an actual TES game than it is now, making an effort to deal with it being an MMO and not a single player game. Everybody needs to calm down, the Justice system will be implemented just fine and players won't be wrecking your game.

Yes I have in fact, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim. I do appreciate that they are attempting to do this, however it would be nice for role-players (like me) to be able to get something out of criminal acts, I don't want to kill for the sake of killing, I want to get something out of it, same goes for stealing, I do not get a pleasure from going on in game killing sprees or stealing everything in sight if I either don't need to, or I cant get some good gold for it. (The exception is some NPC's that just tick me off.)