Zenimax - Medium fixes - Mail/Guild/bank/store logs

Cogo · July 2014

Hi Zenimax and everyone!

This is list of improvements/fixes that's been needed since start, but since ALL MMOs have their launch and 3-4-5 months before its somewhat stable, the DEVS should of course focus on that.

I feel its time for some "medium" issues to be adressed.

These are not just "my" list, but a summery from several posts and users.
Please note, NONE of these issues, have any direct or indirect changes to do with in game, such a skill power, AH house feature, balancing, bank space or anything else then would "meddle" with the game.

In game mail box.
I understand the limit on ITEMS in the in-game mainbox, but some mails players simply want to keep, like hirelings, from other players, sales and achievements etc.
Question
Is it possible to make the personal mail box longer, bigger. Even maybe sort it into logs? WITHOUT adding the ability to keep ITEMS in the mail? Only to save TEXT? I HATE deleting my hirelings mails to get new mails.
Maybe even sub-folder for TEXT only?
Sales log from guild stores
Question
Is there a way to give both the seller and the buyer (Different to buyer and seller of course), in the SAME LOG, of:
* Who sold/bought it
* What ITEM was it
* What price
* In what guild store
* Time of SALE.
* A log that span for at least 30 days, and not goes away in 8 hours.
* This should not demand any addon
Log from guild bank that last 30 days
Todays guild bank log is simply not enough. It needs to be 30 days, no matter how much or how little was taken or put in. As a guild bank manager, LOGS are what counts. Please add logs that are accurate and stays for 30 days. Today logs is almost pointless. $:\$
Guild logs, online time
These does not work 100% atm. Sometimes they show days away from someone who just logged off, and vice versa. Can this be fixed?
Guild Message of the day
Question
Is it possible to show the MOTD in BIG Yellow Letters when you log in? Of course, it "only" shows the guilds you have active in your chat window. This is a VERY good way to give NEW info to your guild.
Another CHAT window, instead of tabs
Question
Is it possible and in Zenmax interest to create a second chat window, just like the first one? So the second can be used, customize just like the main one, but having 2 of them. And move them to where the user feels it fits them?

Since we have 5 guilds, A lot of combat info, chatting, zone chat, several guild types, players simply miss to much info because there is just 1 window. This should NOT be solved with an ADDON, but a choice to use 1 window or 2 for chatting/info in game.
Zone chat is GREAT!
It keeps filling with chatter, trading, dolmen help, assist boss, etc.
Suggestion:
Copy the Zonechat and ADD a Looking for group, or LFG channel, in addition to the group tool, friends, guilds and zone chat.
The LFG channel COULD span across zones so they reach all in the same alliance who are looking for a teammate/group for whatever.

Just like Zone chat, this channel should be able to turn off and on.
The BEST way to get players to interact.....is to make them interact! ;-)

Please comment, correct, rephrase, add to this list of MEDIUM fixes We'd like to see in ESO. Keep in mind, ALL these suggestions and questions have NOTHING to do with balancing or anything that would impact ESO in a way that make a character "stronger".

If Zenimax have plans, or find this post interesting, I humbly ask for an admin or com manager reply. However, as long as its read, I of course do not demand any Zenimax response.

Best Regards
Cogo - AKA Oghur Hatemachine

AngryNord · July 2014

Cogo wrote: »

[*] Zone chat is GREAT!
It keeps filling with chatter, trading, dolmen help, assist boss, etc.
Suggestion:
Copy the Zonechat and ADD a Looking for group, or LFG channel, in addition to the group tool, friends, guilds and zone chat.
The LFG channel COULD span across zones so they reach all in the same alliance who are looking for a teammate/group for whatever.

Just like Zone chat, this channel should be able to turn off and on.
The BEST way to get players to interact.....is to make them interact! ;-)

Yes, please, preferrably yesterday.
Don't know if I agree about being able to turn off general chat though.

Cogo · July 2014

Everyone may not want to listen to it. Need to respect that. Even though it SHOULD be open to all, but this is ESO, choose YOUR way!!

You do know that anyone can turn off and on zone chat?

Mr.Turtlesworth · July 2014

Hey Cogo

All of these are good ideas. ( World of Warcraft has most of them.. I think... )
I think the game has larger issues to focus on. But these are all good smaller things to implement in the long run. All good ideas. +1

Cogo · July 2014

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

Hey Cogo
All of these are good ideas. ( World of Warcraft has most of them.. I think... )
I think the game has larger issues to focus on. But these are all good smaller things to implement in the long run. All good ideas. +1

Hey!

At Quakecon Zenimax was very precise on one thing. They can do several things at the same time! ;-)

For the record, everything I suggested been in MMO Loooong before WoW, so this is not a copy of wow, but stuff I feel should get "some" attention".

GFBStarWars · July 2014

LFG chat is great idea, same could be made for a trade one
most of others idea are covered by addons, so shouldn't be impossible to implement them.

will add to that: better mail system, reply and guild mail, there are addon for this but should be default in game

Cogo · July 2014

The suggestions I am talking about should NOT require an addon.

Because: They are for all. Like 2 chat windows, and should not depend on a single poor addon maker to keep updated. It should be provided, IF CHOSEN by the user, in game.

Thats why I ask all these things should NOT require an addon, even if one would solve it.

GFBStarWars · July 2014

probably got me wrong, what i said is that an addon creator made most of those, that mean that zos should be able to create something similar without lots of complication as i hope zos dev know their game better then the addon makers

Cogo · July 2014

GFBStarWars wrote: »

probably got me wrong, what i said is that an addon creator made most of those, that mean that zos should be able to create something similar without lots of complication as i hope zos dev know their game better then the addon makers

Got cha!

They do need to keep their UI as "clean" as possible to make as many addon work as possible. Its not only for Consoles, but TES fans are used to using more mods/addons that is bigger in size then the game.

Neat balance.

But I got you now! And....we agree!

AngryNord · July 2014

Cogo wrote: »

[*] Sales log from guild stores
Question
Is there a way to give both the seller and the buyer (Different to buyer and seller of course), in the SAME LOG, of:
* Who sold/bought it
* What ITEM was it
* What price
* In what guild store
* Time of SALE.
* A log that span for at least 30 days, and not goes away in 8 hours.
* This should not demand any addon
Cogo - AKA Oghur Hatemachine

At the very least, the email you get saying 'an object of yours was sold' should specify WHAT was sold.

AngryNord · July 2014

Oh, and one thing I really miss from LoTRO, especially in dungeons: MINIMAP!!!

Audigy · July 2014

That's quite a huge list there

While they are quality of life additions, they absolutely make sense and I would have thought that those things like GMOTD or the logs would already be in place.

Gets a support from me

Nox_Aeterna · July 2014

Seems like a list of improvements only really.

Giving the players more options to custom their game is usually for the best and people like it , reason so many of us use multiple addons.

Natjur · July 2014

A lot of add-on are created to fill the gaps in ESO. The dev's should review the current list of add-on that exist and improve the game by including some of them in the base game. Your list makes sense and current add-ons can fulfill part of your lists requests but can't get past some coding limits.

Cogo wrote: »

In game mail box.
Question
Is it possible to make the personal mail box longer, bigger. Even maybe sort it into logs? WITHOUT adding the ability to keep ITEMS in the mail? Only to save TEXT? I HATE deleting my hirelings mails to get new mails.
Maybe even sub-folder for TEXT only?

I know they added the low limit as you could 'mail' to yourself with some add-on and therefore get past the inventory limit. But changing that limit to be based on number of attachments instead of number of mail items would be a nice to have. Or have the text only mail saved client side, so the server is not wasting resources but the mail is still view able

Sales log from guild stores
Question
Is there a way to give both the seller and the buyer (Different to buyer and seller of course), in the SAME LOG, of:
* Who sold/bought it
* What ITEM was it
* What price
* In what guild store
* Time of SALE.
* A log that span for at least 30 days, and not goes away in 8 hours.
* This should not demand any addon

With the new guild stores and you having to bid to keep a store, guild leaders need to know who is making them money and who is not. There are some changes to this on PST (patch 1.3) but they need more if the guild leaders are going to manger the flow of sales. There are add-ons that help, but they should be in the base game

Log from guild bank that last 30 days
Todays guild bank log is simply not enough. It needs to be 30 days, no matter how much or how little was taken or put in. As a guild bank manager, LOGS are what counts. Please add logs that are accurate and stays for 30 days. Today logs is almost pointless. $:\$

Guild logs, online time
These does not work 100% atm. Sometimes they show days away from someone who just logged off, and vice versa. Can this be fixed?

Guild Message of the day
Question
Is it possible to show the MOTD in BIG Yellow Letters when you log in? Of course, it "only" shows the guilds you have active in your chat window. This is a VERY good way to give NEW info to your guild.

I think the whole guild system needs to be reviewed and from the Dev logs, its on their list of things to improve, I will wait to see what the 'reboot' of guild banks, logs and message are before looking at this more.

Another CHAT window, instead of tabs
Question
Is it possible and in Zenmax interest to create a second chat window, just like the first one? So the second can be used, customize just like the main one, but having 2 of them. And move them to where the user feels it fits them?

I love my multi chat windows, I don't use tabs but I use an add-on to do this
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info233-ChatMultiWindow.html
Would be nice if it was just part of the core client

Zone chat is GREAT!
It keeps filling with chatter, trading, dolmen help, assist boss, etc.
Suggestion:
Copy the Zonechat and ADD a Looking for group, or LFG channel, in addition to the group tool, friends, guilds and zone chat.
The LFG channel COULD span across zones so they reach all in the same alliance who are looking for a teammate/group for whatever.

Just like Zone chat, this channel should be able to turn off and on.
The BEST way to get players to interact.....is to make them interact! ;-)

The current LFG system does not work for me, I have stopped using it and just use guild chat, so a LFG channel will get around the current issues with the LFG system, but I would prefer a filter on a LFG channel (level range)

Cogo · July 2014

Natjur wrote: »

The current LFG system does not work for me, I have stopped using it and just use guild chat, so a LFG channel will get around the current issues with the LFG system, but I would prefer a filter on a LFG channel (level range)

Even though the Zone chat is making groups now....this is very needed! A LFG channel where you can look per levels. It would help a lot to bring people together I think?

Akiainavas · July 2014

You can probably add another chat window with addons. Don't have any specific suggestions though.

Cogo · July 2014

Look at my former answer.

These fixes/additions should not require any addons.

I'll explain again: Addons are dependant on an outside ESO source to keep updated and working.

All these suggestions are features ALL players should have access too, and be able to turn off if they dont want them.

Addons are to enhance your game. ESO is fully playable without addons.

Cogo · August 2014

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Zenimax, can we at least get more TEXT based mailbox space?
Hirelings and friend mails needs to get deleted all the time. I want to keep em! :-)

In game mail box.
I understand the limit on ITEMS in the in-game mainbox, but some mails players simply want to keep, like hirelings, from other players, sales and achievements etc.
Question
Is it possible to make the personal mail box longer, bigger. Even maybe sort it into logs? WITHOUT adding the ability to keep ITEMS in the mail? Only to save TEXT? I HATE deleting my hirelings mails to get new mails.
Maybe even sub-folder for TEXT only?

Cogo · August 2014

Sorry to bump my own post, and I know its against the rules, but these changes to make players mail more between each other (Without items, just text) is a GOAL of ESO. Interaction correct?

ESO starting to be "old" enough to have people mail eachother for other reasons then CoD. Guild for example.

Is it possible to look at this and extend the mailbox? Or any of my other suggestions?

I'd like to add a new question: When will the delay to access guild bank be fixed?
Its to stop the dup bug and thats understandable, but that was months ago now. ;-)
Any progress on this?

Gillysan · September 2014

+1 from me
Going to feedback and link this thread

Cogo · September 2014

Gillysan wrote: »

+1 from me
Going to feedback and link this thread

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

@Gillysan
Thank you!

I was pondering about creating a new post regarding this.
Request to keep Only text based in game mails.

The Hirelings mails ARE nothing else then fantastic!
We want to keep them! I do dare to speak for many who agrees with this simple request!

Screenshots is NOT a solution.

ONLY text mails!
ALL the items in mail SHOULD be blocked from abuse as "bank".
Just like the mechanics works today.

Would it be possible to have an option on your in game mail such as:
"SAVE to INBOX"

This "moves" the mail from your mailbox to another "SAVED MAILS" box which can NOT get moved out. Which means, even if someone finds a way to keep items there.....they can not get them out.

Please Zenimax.

Consider any possible SAVE of in GAME TEXT ONLY mails.
Guild, hirelings, friends, applications and in my case quite funny HATE mail....to block up my box :-) (I am fine with this.)

Mythredhel · September 2014

All good suggestions especially the text mails one this definitely needs addressing asap

Moomins · September 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Hi Zenimax and everyone!

In game mail box.
I understand the limit on ITEMS in the in-game mainbox, but some mails players simply want to keep, like hirelings, from other players, sales and achievements etc.
Question
Is it possible to make the personal mail box longer, bigger. Even maybe sort it into logs? WITHOUT adding the ability to keep ITEMS in the mail? Only to save TEXT? I HATE deleting my hirelings mails to get new mails.
Maybe even sub-folder for TEXT only?

I cant count the amount of amusing messages I have received from Hirelings, and I would have loved to keep them. Being able to keep text only mails would be great! Think of the fun you could have reading through those adventures your hirelings have had....

Another CHAT window, instead of tabs
Question
Is it possible and in Zenmax interest to create a second chat window, just like the first one? So the second can be used, customize just like the main one, but having 2 of them. And move them to where the user feels it fits them?

Since we have 5 guilds, A lot of combat info, chatting, zone chat, several guild types, players simply miss to much info because there is just 1 window. This should NOT be solved with an ADDON, but a choice to use 1 window or 2 for chatting/info in game.

Again a great idea, and one that lost of people would go for IMO, I'd like to see this happen too without the need to resort to addons.

Zone chat is GREAT!
It keeps filling with chatter, trading, dolmen help, assist boss, etc.
Suggestion:
Copy the Zonechat and ADD a Looking for group, or LFG channel, in addition to the group tool, friends, guilds and zone chat.
The LFG channel COULD span across zones so they reach all in the same alliance who are looking for a teammate/group for whatever.

Just like Zone chat, this channel should be able to turn off and on.
The BEST way to get players to interact.....is to make them interact! ;-)

I'd like to see this happen, zone chat is so messy atm and could do with a complete cleanup. Adding channels is a great way to clear the confusing mess of requests, conversations, general chat, selling, guild chat etc. I would absolutley go for that and hope that Zeni does indeed look carefully at implementing channels in chat.

Cogo · September 2014

Common ZOS. You gave the majority here their Vet 13 and 14 in one day after Patch 4. Fine!

Please give the rest of us the ability to save these wonderful mails!
HOW can I delete this?!?

@ZoS_jessicaFolsom
Give them pink bunnies forward camps front door easy arena....whatever it takes.
Don't force me to delete this guy :-(

Link to the pic

GoatKnuckle · September 2014

You forgot to add the ability to cull the cat population. You're welcome.

Cogo · September 2014

Or even cheap respec! Crap! They got that already.....

Cogo · October 2014

Bumping this issue again. Hope the thread dont get deleted cause I bumped it. :-)

AlexDougherty · October 2014

Don't Bump, just ask if the Mods could please make a comment, or does nobosy have any more idea's to add.

Much safer.