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360 Degree Blocking Ridiculous
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Ltankb14_ESO✭✭Realistically I understand what you are saying OP but when you involve latency you start getting into these weird joust/circle strafing matches where you try to sprint around blocks before you even render as moving around on the enemy screen. I've seen it happen in Mortal Online.Edited by Ltankb14_ESO on July 22, 2014 12:51AM3 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ltankb14_ESO wrote: »Realistically I understand what you are saying OP but when you involve latency you start getting into these weird joust/circle strafing matches where you try to sprint around blocks before you even render as moving around on the enemy screen. I've seen it happen in Mortal Online.
This is probably the reason. I imagine the lag would make blocking useless up close once people figured out how to exploit it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
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✭Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
Are you even aware of what the discussion is about?☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
Are you even aware of what the discussion is about?
yeah that weapons can block 360, but it dont matter since it aint OP, since everybody can do it, and its easy to kill others even when they use.
and if they are holding block down, dont go near themEdited by Artemiisia on July 22, 2014 1:00AM1 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 22, 2014 1:07AM0 -
rekina✭✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
Are you even aware of what the discussion is about?
No he doesn't. He believes if he's holding a typical shaped shield in real life he should be able to protect his back of the head as well as his forehead in the same time. He just thinks out of the box. He's brilliant. Leave him alone!!!!
Btw police of the whole world should hire this guy and learn to shield against 30 angry rioters. This guy will save the world and keep the peace and I'm sure about this. Maybe he is Jesus...or Spartan.Edited by rekina on July 22, 2014 1:06AM2 -
sagitter✭✭✭✭✭i agree 100% , 360 blocking it's just unrealistic. Fixing it 180 will improve players with skill and some balance. Ex Daoc player here, you need to face your opponent to block him.Edited by sagitter on July 22, 2014 1:13AM3 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.
If you're arguing realism, you can't say one is more real then the other in a fantasy game. If I set you on fire, it hurts in this game, But you don't run screaming and panicking now do you? If you're light cloth armor, and I come along and hit you with a sword, You would be dead now would you? How realistic do you want to go here? Because at some point you have to realize this is a game with mechanics in place to make ti an enjoyable game.
How about this, if I shoot you with Snipe while your riding around on your horse, It should instantly kill you...Because ya know..Realism
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✭NadiusMaximus wrote: »2 infront, 1 behind?
Take a step back and..... Wait for it.... 3 In front of you.
This is not like wow where you run up start waking and, you have to move around, even if your a tank.
Actually, block didn't work from behind in WoW. I used to tank pretty regularly in WoW, if a mob got behind you, you weren't blocking a damn thing."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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NetViperX✭✭✭✭If they make the shield only block 180°, then they need to give us hotkeys to rotate our character left and right for those of us that play in 3rd person.1 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.
If you're arguing realism, you can't say one is more real then the other in a fantasy game. If I set you on fire, it hurts in this game, But you don't run screaming and panicking now do you? If you're light cloth armor, and I come along and hit you with a sword, You would be dead now would you? How realistic do you want to go here? Because at some point you have to realize this is a game with mechanics in place to make ti an enjoyable game.
How about this, if I shoot you with Snipe while your riding around on your horse, It should instantly kill you...Because ya know..Realism
Yes I can, because the story has lore. The lore writes the rules and a shield blocking behind you is not in the story. It has no explanation. People want a fantasy, but they also want some realism. Why do we have gravity, or gold, or weapons, or shadows coming off the trees? Because it makes the world seem realistic, and things like magic are explained in the story. A shield is not explained because it is just lazy mechanics. I mean, why even have armor and shields in the first place? If you could just make anything realistic, perhaps we should just be naked and block things with our thoughts.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 22, 2014 1:28AM0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it doesn't make sense. No, it's not realistic. No, changing it is not a good idea.
This would make tanking impossible. You can't tank if anyone who gets behind you can easily kill you, and 3 or more enemies is extremely common in dungeons and in world PVE. If three enemies want to flank you, they're going to flank you; you can't prevent that. If you can't block behind yourself in this game, you simply can't tank. It's that simple.Edited by MasterSpatula on July 22, 2014 1:30AM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle5 -
rekina✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »No, it doesn't make sense. No, it's not realistic. No, changing it is not a good idea.
This would make tanking impossible. You can't tank if anyone who gets behind you can easily kill you, and 3 or more enemies is extremely common in dungeons and in world PVE. If three enemies want to flank you, they're going to flank you; you can't prevent that. If you can't block behind yourself in this game, you simply can't tank. It's that simple.
Brilliant. I give you applause for your deep understanding of what flanking is.1 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.
If you're arguing realism, you can't say one is more real then the other in a fantasy game. If I set you on fire, it hurts in this game, But you don't run screaming and panicking now do you? If you're light cloth armor, and I come along and hit you with a sword, You would be dead now would you? How realistic do you want to go here? Because at some point you have to realize this is a game with mechanics in place to make ti an enjoyable game.
How about this, if I shoot you with Snipe while your riding around on your horse, It should instantly kill you...Because ya know..Realism
Yes I can, because the story has lore. The lore writes the rules and a shield blocking behind you is not in the story. It has no explanation. People want a fantasy, but they also want some realism. Why do we have gravity, or gold, or weapons, or shadows coming off the trees? Because it makes the world seem realistic, and things like magic are explained in the story. A shield is not explained because it is just lazy mechanics. I mean, why even have armor and shields in the first place? If you could just make anything realistic, perhaps we should just be naked and block things with our thoughts.
Again, if you're going to argue that you need some realism, I should be able to instantly kill any cloth user with most bladed weapons, and things like Fire.
Heavy Armor Users should probably die to Lightning Attacks instantly.
Hell most attacks in this game should flat out kill pretty much everyone instantly.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.
If you're arguing realism, you can't say one is more real then the other in a fantasy game. If I set you on fire, it hurts in this game, But you don't run screaming and panicking now do you? If you're light cloth armor, and I come along and hit you with a sword, You would be dead now would you? How realistic do you want to go here? Because at some point you have to realize this is a game with mechanics in place to make ti an enjoyable game.
How about this, if I shoot you with Snipe while your riding around on your horse, It should instantly kill you...Because ya know..Realism
Yes I can, because the story has lore. The lore writes the rules and a shield blocking behind you is not in the story. It has no explanation. People want a fantasy, but they also want some realism. Why do we have gravity, or gold, or weapons, or shadows coming off the trees? Because it makes the world seem realistic, and things like magic are explained in the story. A shield is not explained because it is just lazy mechanics. I mean, why even have armor and shields in the first place? If you could just make anything realistic, perhaps we should just be naked and block things with our thoughts.
Again, if you're going to argue that you need some realism, I should be able to instantly kill any cloth user with most bladed weapons, and things like Fire.
Heavy Armor Users should probably die to Lightning Attacks instantly.
Hell most attacks in this game should flat out kill pretty much everyone instantly.
The player has a certain amount of resistance to pain and injury. I am not arguing about how unrealistic other things are. You seem to believe that since some aspects of the game are unrealistic due to limitations or comfort levels, that all unrealistic aspects of the game should just be ignored. If developers thought like this, games would never improve. Perhaps clothing should get set on fire. I never argued it shouldn't. From your argument though, what's the point in having armor in the first place?Edited by SFBryan18 on July 22, 2014 1:51AM0 -
NorthernFury✭✭✭✭Insignia91 wrote: »This would be stupid if they limit it to 180. If I pick up a shield in real life I am not limited to blocking I can block all 360 degrees. No reason they should limit it to 180 in this game.
I promise, you can't. Go try that with your local SCA and let me know how it works out.
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Jimm_ay✭✭✭Really??...really... So you are fine with the gigantic disproportion of HP between an average VR npc and you, fine that a crab can carry a sword, that a huge mob won't attack you as you stand by and fight someone else 10 feet from them, that your powers just don't work on some bosses, while others can be bounced up and down....no you are upset block is 360??? that...that you can't suspend belief. You know why I need a 360 block?? because the group or three (group of 10 in craglorn) I am fighting have 2 to 3 times the amount of hp I do.
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.
If you're arguing realism, you can't say one is more real then the other in a fantasy game. If I set you on fire, it hurts in this game, But you don't run screaming and panicking now do you? If you're light cloth armor, and I come along and hit you with a sword, You would be dead now would you? How realistic do you want to go here? Because at some point you have to realize this is a game with mechanics in place to make ti an enjoyable game.
How about this, if I shoot you with Snipe while your riding around on your horse, It should instantly kill you...Because ya know..Realism
Yes I can, because the story has lore. The lore writes the rules and a shield blocking behind you is not in the story. It has no explanation. People want a fantasy, but they also want some realism. Why do we have gravity, or gold, or weapons, or shadows coming off the trees? Because it makes the world seem realistic, and things like magic are explained in the story. A shield is not explained because it is just lazy mechanics. I mean, why even have armor and shields in the first place? If you could just make anything realistic, perhaps we should just be naked and block things with our thoughts.
Again, if you're going to argue that you need some realism, I should be able to instantly kill any cloth user with most bladed weapons, and things like Fire.
Heavy Armor Users should probably die to Lightning Attacks instantly.
Hell most attacks in this game should flat out kill pretty much everyone instantly.
The player has a certain amount of resistance to pain and injury. I am not arguing about how unrealistic other things are. You seem to believe that since some aspects of the game are unrealistic due to limitations or comfort levels, that all unrealistic aspects of the game should just be ignored. If developers thought like this, games would never improve. Perhaps clothing should get set on fire. I never argued it shouldn't. From your argument though, what's the point in having armor in the first place?
that's not what i believe, I believe the exact opposite, you have to make some concessions when making a game, and demanding realism in a game is silly. Hence why I pointing out how silly your realism argument was.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.
If you're arguing realism, you can't say one is more real then the other in a fantasy game. If I set you on fire, it hurts in this game, But you don't run screaming and panicking now do you? If you're light cloth armor, and I come along and hit you with a sword, You would be dead now would you? How realistic do you want to go here? Because at some point you have to realize this is a game with mechanics in place to make ti an enjoyable game.
How about this, if I shoot you with Snipe while your riding around on your horse, It should instantly kill you...Because ya know..Realism
Yes I can, because the story has lore. The lore writes the rules and a shield blocking behind you is not in the story. It has no explanation. People want a fantasy, but they also want some realism. Why do we have gravity, or gold, or weapons, or shadows coming off the trees? Because it makes the world seem realistic, and things like magic are explained in the story. A shield is not explained because it is just lazy mechanics. I mean, why even have armor and shields in the first place? If you could just make anything realistic, perhaps we should just be naked and block things with our thoughts.
Again, if you're going to argue that you need some realism, I should be able to instantly kill any cloth user with most bladed weapons, and things like Fire.
Heavy Armor Users should probably die to Lightning Attacks instantly.
Hell most attacks in this game should flat out kill pretty much everyone instantly.
The player has a certain amount of resistance to pain and injury. I am not arguing about how unrealistic other things are. You seem to believe that since some aspects of the game are unrealistic due to limitations or comfort levels, that all unrealistic aspects of the game should just be ignored. If developers thought like this, games would never improve. Perhaps clothing should get set on fire. I never argued it shouldn't. From your argument though, what's the point in having armor in the first place?
that's not what i believe, I believe the exact opposite, you have to make some concessions when making a game, and demanding realism in a game is silly. Hence why I pointing out how silly your realism argument was.
I don't make demands. I point out flaws. Yes, in games there has to be some balance, but why should someone have the ability to block from all angles? Of course there's the lag factor, but other than that, it there any other reason it should be this way?0 -
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The hit boxes most certainly do have directional recognition. If they didn't, you wouldn't have to hit from the side or the rear for bonus stealth damage.3 -
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✭No on the 180 but I wouldn't mind if other changes were made like cost, duration, and damage. I could support changes in those areas just as soon as all magic gets nerfed. So probably never.0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »No, it doesn't make sense. No, it's not realistic. No, changing it is not a good idea.
This would make tanking impossible. You can't tank if anyone who gets behind you can easily kill you, and 3 or more enemies is extremely common in dungeons and in world PVE. If three enemies want to flank you, they're going to flank you; you can't prevent that. If you can't block behind yourself in this game, you simply can't tank. It's that simple.
Brilliant. I give you applause for your deep understanding of what flanking is.
Odd. I sense sarcasm from you despite the utter absence of any cause.
Look, you wanna get rid of 360° blocking, then either- Come out in favor of the removal of tanking from the game entirely, or
- Propose an alternate way a game that requires active blocking for tanking and swarms you with mobs could have functional tanking.
Otherwise, you just come off looking like a PVPer who lost to a tank once and can't get over it. (Not saying that's who you are, just saying that's how you look when you propose borking a basic game mechanic and only reply with snide derision every time someone points that out.)"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle5 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.
If you're arguing realism, you can't say one is more real then the other in a fantasy game. If I set you on fire, it hurts in this game, But you don't run screaming and panicking now do you? If you're light cloth armor, and I come along and hit you with a sword, You would be dead now would you? How realistic do you want to go here? Because at some point you have to realize this is a game with mechanics in place to make ti an enjoyable game.
How about this, if I shoot you with Snipe while your riding around on your horse, It should instantly kill you...Because ya know..Realism
Yes I can, because the story has lore. The lore writes the rules and a shield blocking behind you is not in the story. It has no explanation. People want a fantasy, but they also want some realism. Why do we have gravity, or gold, or weapons, or shadows coming off the trees? Because it makes the world seem realistic, and things like magic are explained in the story. A shield is not explained because it is just lazy mechanics. I mean, why even have armor and shields in the first place? If you could just make anything realistic, perhaps we should just be naked and block things with our thoughts.
Again, if you're going to argue that you need some realism, I should be able to instantly kill any cloth user with most bladed weapons, and things like Fire.
Heavy Armor Users should probably die to Lightning Attacks instantly.
Hell most attacks in this game should flat out kill pretty much everyone instantly.
The player has a certain amount of resistance to pain and injury. I am not arguing about how unrealistic other things are. You seem to believe that since some aspects of the game are unrealistic due to limitations or comfort levels, that all unrealistic aspects of the game should just be ignored. If developers thought like this, games would never improve. Perhaps clothing should get set on fire. I never argued it shouldn't. From your argument though, what's the point in having armor in the first place?
that's not what i believe, I believe the exact opposite, you have to make some concessions when making a game, and demanding realism in a game is silly. Hence why I pointing out how silly your realism argument was.
I don't make demands. I point out flaws. Yes, in games there has to be some balance, but why should someone have the ability to block from all angles? Of course there's the lag factor, but other than that, it there any other reason it should be this way?
People have already said why, Because in this game if you couldn't block from all angles tanks would instantly die the second they charged into any fight.
In previous games they basically had other ways to mitigate damage, In this game there is only blocking... and blocking requires stamina..which gets eaten through incredibly quick while blocking.
I mean if you don't think it works that way, Go out in pvp right now, and don't block at all in PVP, and that's how it'd be in pretty much every fight after the change went in.
That's not even taking into account PVE.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »maybe its you guys that need to l2p, I can beat people in pvp that has shield and sword, you do know they are a melee class? dont stand next to them.....
best idea so far in this thread is Yajinho
It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of realism. People want the game to seem realistic. If I hit you in the back of your head, why would it not hurt you?
If I set you on fire, would that not hurt more?
Its a bloody MMO with spell casters and cat people, and you wanna argue realism?
Setting someone on fire does hurt in this game. You are confusing lore realism with physical realism. Cat people and magic are in the story of a fantasy game, however, shields blocking the back of your head when it is in front of you is just lazy mechanics.
If you're arguing realism, you can't say one is more real then the other in a fantasy game. If I set you on fire, it hurts in this game, But you don't run screaming and panicking now do you? If you're light cloth armor, and I come along and hit you with a sword, You would be dead now would you? How realistic do you want to go here? Because at some point you have to realize this is a game with mechanics in place to make ti an enjoyable game.
How about this, if I shoot you with Snipe while your riding around on your horse, It should instantly kill you...Because ya know..Realism
Yes I can, because the story has lore. The lore writes the rules and a shield blocking behind you is not in the story. It has no explanation. People want a fantasy, but they also want some realism. Why do we have gravity, or gold, or weapons, or shadows coming off the trees? Because it makes the world seem realistic, and things like magic are explained in the story. A shield is not explained because it is just lazy mechanics. I mean, why even have armor and shields in the first place? If you could just make anything realistic, perhaps we should just be naked and block things with our thoughts.
Again, if you're going to argue that you need some realism, I should be able to instantly kill any cloth user with most bladed weapons, and things like Fire.
Heavy Armor Users should probably die to Lightning Attacks instantly.
Hell most attacks in this game should flat out kill pretty much everyone instantly.
The player has a certain amount of resistance to pain and injury. I am not arguing about how unrealistic other things are. You seem to believe that since some aspects of the game are unrealistic due to limitations or comfort levels, that all unrealistic aspects of the game should just be ignored. If developers thought like this, games would never improve. Perhaps clothing should get set on fire. I never argued it shouldn't. From your argument though, what's the point in having armor in the first place?
that's not what i believe, I believe the exact opposite, you have to make some concessions when making a game, and demanding realism in a game is silly. Hence why I pointing out how silly your realism argument was.
I don't make demands. I point out flaws. Yes, in games there has to be some balance, but why should someone have the ability to block from all angles? Of course there's the lag factor, but other than that, it there any other reason it should be this way?
People have already said why, Because in this game if you couldn't block from all angles tanks would instantly die the second they charged into any fight.
In previous games they basically had other ways to mitigate damage, In this game there is only blocking... and blocking requires stamina..which gets eaten through incredibly quick while blocking.
I mean if you don't think it works that way, Go out in pvp right now, and don't block at all in PVP, and that's how it'd be in pretty much every fight after the change went in.
That's not even taking into account PVE.
As a TES fan, I don't really care about the whole "Tank, DPS, Healer" stuff. If a player suicide charges into the middle of several enemies, of course they should get hit hard.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 22, 2014 2:58AM3 -
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✭✭Unless you are talking about a military combat simulator, realism doesn't even enter into the discussion. There is none, in any game. Every game has an element of fantasy and things that are not feasible in real life.
Do our soldiers jump off a roof and 360 no-scope insurgents? No, but they do it in Call Of Duty. Is it realistic? Of course not, but not many games are.3
