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The specific boss the OP is referring to is one of the hardest Quest bosses in the game. Only Manimarco, the Harvester boss (pre-nerf) and the Imperial lady at the end of DC are harder imo. But just like with others, once you learn the mechanic of the fight they really aren't THAT hard, just compared to the faceroll easy the rest of the content is they still SEEM hard.Considering how much vet content was nerfed this last patch, the existence of this thread absolutely baffles me.
Ive done vet deshaan three times (nb, dk, templar). I dont remember any hard boss there.
The only time vet content was even hard was during hell week in vet 7-10 zones, and even that was just a group up thing to conquer.
Note that I mean overworld vet content, vet group dungeons are still hard as hell, as they should be.Edited by Rylana on July 20, 2014 5:31PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
Forum LOL Champion (retired) == Black Belt in Ballista-Fu == The Last Vice Member == Praise Cheesus == Electro-Goblin2 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nothing should be 'hard as hell' in my gaming book. Now I'm stuck trying to kill Vox. Believe me I can not imagine how 'easy' she must be to kill.
Vox and Meli... wtfever his name is again are both very rough fights. I am AD also and had to get help or wait around for other people to show up for both of them.
They are not easy, people that are unusually skilled at the game and/or are DKs just say that because it was easy for them.
I would flat out log in and help you if I was able to log into the game where I am at.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Okay well let me summarize how I actually feel about this thread then, in a way that is a little less sporting and a little more honest.
The game's difficulty has been dumbed down to the point of stupid easy already. There is literally no challenge in PvE for the vast majority of players outside of Vet Dungeons like Crypt of Hearts or Trials.
For those of us that completed all of the Vet content on hard mode, I say to you people to learn to play and stop trying to get the devs to cater to the lowest 1 percent of skill denominator in this game. The crybaby threads about "oh noes i died in vet 7 zone cause blahblahblah" already got vet content a massive cut in difficulty. Most of us got through it just fine by figuring out how to play the game and/or finding ways to make the job easier (ie actually being social and asking for help or looking up the strategy on the internet). So stop trying to make the game even easier than has already been done.
Otherwise youre taking a big dump on those of us that did, in fact, rise and overcome any challenge presented, and make any accomplishment we have an utter joke. You want hard? You should have seen Vet 10 Dolmens during the week when all vet content was accidentally increased to higher than even Craglorn. News flash - I did all of the Dolmens with a group on my DW/Bow Nightblade that week, which was long before the recent changes to NB passives and skills that made NBs more powerful. Imagine that, I got through it, even when it was stupid hard and NBs were severely underpowered.
Nowadays, because of past threads just like this one, I can take my baby templar up against a World boss (which are SUPPOSED to be the biggest challenges of that particular zone and normally should require a group), stand completely still, in the red crap, not even heal, and light attack it to death without even trying. None of the things I learned are even necessary now.
To summarize - stop trying to make this game Candyland, and man up and learn to stay out of red stuff, block and roll dodge and interrupt, and stop expecting everything you come across to die in one button press ala Duck Hunt.Edited by Rylana on July 21, 2014 12:19PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
Forum LOL Champion (retired) == Black Belt in Ballista-Fu == The Last Vice Member == Praise Cheesus == Electro-Goblin4 -
Tenofas✭✭✭ZOS, if you don't want me playing Solo past getting my soul back at the end of AD just say so and I'm out of here? If I leave now it will only be a $15 loss with a lot of the game being a lot of fun and eventually worth $75. If you want me to hang around just clue me in how much longer and maybe I will? What do you ZOS want me to do?
Hardcore gamers can once again go take a hike--Wait, that may not be a good idea--especially if they know a way of dealing with this situation such as how an AD faction member can attract EP help in PvE?
Well, actually ZOS said it!
Vet content, according to ZOS, WAS MADE FOR GROUP PLAY, not for solo play, at least not for "easy" solo play.
But since a lot of players continued to complain about it, they made it easier (with a patch, few weeks ago).
So, now it's more or less on par with 1-50 content.
You need to try harder, it's not hardcore or elite gaming...TenofasRedguard stamina Nightblade (CP 810) - Daggerfall Covenant
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I have no problem with him playing that way, but he shouldn't complain about it. Not fair to say "I am deliberately choosing not to play how the game was designed, so you should change the design."Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »i agree... you have no real business playing if you actually refuse to learn how to play... Its true of any game...
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Dayel✭✭✭Although I do try to understand basic game mechanics and know to stay out of fire, I do not have any desire to really get into the complexities of this or any other game. I just want to go places, see things, meet a few people and as the old saying goes kill them. I feel no need to fathom the really intricate details of level caps, armor and weapon values and all that jazz, I am here to have fun. However, I have the right to play my way within the limits of the game as ZOS created it without being hassled by the elite. A MMO simply provides me with a better world to play in with more things to do, what I do there is my affair.2 -
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I, at least, did not say anything about how ZOS would respond. I just expressed my personal opinion that I'm tired of listening to people complain about things being "broken" when they are working as intended, and the individual is basically asking for a completely different type of game.You guys are a laugh and a half if you think ZOS is making the game easier to play because I go to far in saying I won't play the game if I find it to hard to play by their rules.
<hyperbole>"I bought this piano. I prefer to play instruments strapped to my chest like a guitar. I shouldn't have to play it sitting down!"</hyperbole>Aetherium Oblivion Alliance - 40+ Mature Gamers Guild (NA)2 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭No sooner do I think I'm making good solo progress with VR-2 in EP when it all goes you know where once again... So my game has stopped once again until solutions are figured out or I give up and just play into a different area of Deshaan.
This situation has happened twice in succession. The first time people showed up to help. The second time I guess I just didn't wait so long. I'm trying to kill Merdyndril in the Plague Bringer quest solo and of course I can't do that as poor NB.
I reached out to Chat help earlier and noticed how quiet chat was. Then I used /help earlier and learned that as a VR-2 AD type I couldn't chat with anyone but other ADs in EP zones. How disappointing is that? I'd have to guess ZOS is trying hard to get me to abandon playing solo. Well, I'll tell you that what will work is I will once again threaten, ***, moan, and grown and quit until something is done about it.
ZOS, if you don't want me playing Solo past getting my soul back at the end of AD just say so and I'm out of here? If I leave now it will only be a $15 loss with a lot of the game being a lot of fun and eventually worth $75. If you want me to hang around just clue me in how much longer and maybe I will? What do you ZOS want me to do?
Hardcore gamers can once again go take a hike--Wait, that may not be a good idea--especially if they know a way of dealing with this situation such as how an AD faction member can attract EP help in PvE?
Merdyndril isn't forced solo. I thought he was at first too, but it's not. You can take people with you who are at the same point in the quest. I just hung out at the entrance to his cave until we had a group of four that was able to slaughter him in no time.Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
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✭✭✭✭✭Vet content, according to ZOS, WAS MADE FOR GROUP PLAY, not for solo play, at least not for "easy" solo play.
If one can't find people to group with, then should a player just ignore the content? I think they could scale the dungeon instances to single or group and then everyone could be happy. Even let people pick the type of instance and hence difficulty before they enter the place.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"1 -
Ohioastro✭✭✭✭No game should be as 'hard as hell' in my gaming book.
Other people enjoy other things. If everything is sanded down, then that removes game play options from others. I view encounters in this game as the equivalent of puzzles. I don't like easy puzzles; they're boring. Ones that are too easy insult my intelligence.
So a demand that tactics not be required, and that everything be easy, is actually very much a demand to take something away from other people. And it's not surprising that they react to it.
Others can solo this content, so it isn't that they're making it "impossible to solo". It's that some things are actually designed to require tactics or groups. In an ideal game of mine people who prefer a more relaxed environment have options - but so do people with a different temperament, or more experience in these sorts of games.Edited by Ohioastro on July 22, 2014 3:30AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So I realized on my Templar, I had never done this particular quest yet. So, I gave it a go. While my Templar is Vet 5, she is wearing Vet 1 gear and has mostly leveled up in PvP, missing most Skyshards and the like. Not exactly a PvE character by any means.
I guess doing this quest had a good side effect, its what got me to Vet 6...
I am just going to leave this here... This boss fight was among the most laughably easy ones I have ever done in Vet content. I was pretty disappointed given that some contributors to this thread, not to mention OP, called it really hard, on the level of Mannimarco, Vox, etc. Not even close, a Vet 2 Troll is a harder fight.
Not gonna lie, the frost mage trash mobs in the earlier stage were actually harder. They actually got me to under half health once. Once.
I cant believe this quest actually has the gall to award a skill point. This is the kind of watered down content we are doing now for SPs?
Edited by Rylana on July 22, 2014 11:01AM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
Forum LOL Champion (retired) == Black Belt in Ballista-Fu == The Last Vice Member == Praise Cheesus == Electro-Goblin0 -
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✭And others can't solo this content. Still others discover that what they thought was a solo boss battle wasn't solo at all (myself included here). I'm looking at my game right now as the glass half full and filling very slowly. It changes. It is the value I get out of the game not the value you get out of the game--go get your own glass and fill it.
I'm backing ZOS 100%...nuff said. It will be by their design when I feel I can no longer get value out of playing the game further. I will twist and turn and make various comments but in the end this is only 1 thread out of thousands (?) of various inputs they are getting from us and what ZOS ends up programming is what will count good or bad for you or me.
I had a lot of fun in a public dungeon early today solo... no one else around in the dungeon called Shrine of the Black Maw. I couldn't deal with the three or so Gargoyles (VR-3 like myself) I had to get past so I used invisibility successfully to run past them. The rest of the enemies including the achievement battle were straight forward mobs of 1, 2, or 3--a good number of them. I took my time killing all of them, looking at the books but not reading them, getting the skyshard and the dungeon achievement and the using invisibility again to get past the Gargoyles and outside. I died twice trying to size up the Gargoyles and only one more time in a battle I messed up. If there had been other 'helpers' in there it wouldn't have been half the fun.
you are sharing the glass. Why should we get our own? Why don't you get your own glass?
Why are your needs more important than ours?Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
RatsnevE✭✭✭I quit this thread. Please close it now. Thanks.Edited by RatsnevE on July 23, 2014 1:07AM1 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Oh well, I'll just rub it in. My favorite char, my vampire witch can after learning and experimenting, solo + dungeons a bit above her level. She can now reliably kill 8 - 10 enemy groups at level 40 while at level 38.
Why, well because my motto is "I must be doing it wrong".
I can explain the tactics if you like but you are not interested.0