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Steam users don't get the Explorer's Pack
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭If you want extra weapon crit rating playing a Khajit absolutely gives you an advantage over races without extra crit rating and that advantage is .. wait for it .. drumroll .. you get more crit rating.
This is pretty damn basic if the EP gives you the option to choose from 9 races and not having it gives you the oportunity to choose from 3 that is by defenition an advantage.
If you can't see how the racials give you an advantage you simply don't undestand how the game works.
Say I'm going to play a DW Medium armor NB focused on crit and sneak who would have the advantage here a
Khajit with
■Medium Armor Expertise (1 rank) - Increases experience gain with the Medium Armor skill line by 15%.
■Robust (3 ranks) - Increases Health regeneration while in combat by (5/10/15)%.
■Stealthy (3 ranks) – Improve Stealth radius by (1/2/3) meters. Increases damage done while stealthed by (3/6/9)%.
■Carnage (3 ranks) – Increases Critical rating for melee attacks by (2/4/6)%
Or a Nord with
■Two-Handed Weapon Expertise (1 rank) - Increases experience gain with the Two-Handed Weapon skill line by 15%.
■Robust (3 ranks) - Increases Health regeneration while in combat by (5/10/15)%.
■Resist Frost (3 ranks) – Increases Cold resistance by (10/20/30). Increases maximum Health by (1/2/3)%.
■Rugged (3 ranks) - Increases Armor rating by (2/4/6).
Wait no they are exaclty the same right? No advantage at all.2 -
epoling✭✭✭✭SOE has been giving away free in-game items to those who go to Fan Faire (now SOE live) for years. I have never seen the amount of howling and screaming over that. It is just how the world works. Companies from time to time give out special little things to get people to try their products without giving it out retroactively to everybody else who as ever bought their product. If you don't like it, move to a different world where everything works to always allow you to get what you want. Sorry that Earth doesn't work that way.3 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭So ZOS is making the dog available sometime soon, but what about the pig? :?.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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I suspect you could buy the pig from someone who didn't want it after QuakeCon.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »So ZOS is making the dog available sometime soon, but what about the pig? :?.-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n —0 -
Vunter✭✭✭If you want extra weapon crit rating playing a Khajit absolutely gives you an advantage over races without extra crit rating and that advantage is .. wait for it .. drumroll .. you get more crit rating.
This is pretty damn basic if the EP gives you the option to choose from 9 races and not having it gives you the oportunity to choose from 3 that is by defenition an advantage.
If you can't see how the racials give you an advantage you simply don't undestand how the game works.
Say I'm going to play a DW Medium armor NB focused on crit and sneak who would have the advantage here a
Khajit with
■Medium Armor Expertise (1 rank) - Increases experience gain with the Medium Armor skill line by 15%.
■Robust (3 ranks) - Increases Health regeneration while in combat by (5/10/15)%.
■Stealthy (3 ranks) – Improve Stealth radius by (1/2/3) meters. Increases damage done while stealthed by (3/6/9)%.
■Carnage (3 ranks) – Increases Critical rating for melee attacks by (2/4/6)%
Or a Nord with
■Two-Handed Weapon Expertise (1 rank) - Increases experience gain with the Two-Handed Weapon skill line by 15%.
■Robust (3 ranks) - Increases Health regeneration while in combat by (5/10/15)%.
■Resist Frost (3 ranks) – Increases Cold resistance by (10/20/30). Increases maximum Health by (1/2/3)%.
■Rugged (3 ranks) - Increases Armor rating by (2/4/6).
Wait no they are exaclty the same right? No advantage at all.
Spoiler: at a certain time in PVE campaign, you will play all the factions' areas and stories. Choose the race you want, it doesn't really matter.1 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you want extra weapon crit rating playing a Khajit absolutely gives you an advantage over races without extra crit rating and that advantage is .. wait for it .. drumroll .. you get more crit rating.
This is pretty damn basic if the EP gives you the option to choose from 9 races and not having it gives you the oportunity to choose from 3 that is by defenition an advantage.
If you can't see how the racials give you an advantage you simply don't undestand how the game works.
Say I'm going to play a DW Medium armor NB focused on crit and sneak who would have the advantage here a
Khajit with
■Medium Armor Expertise (1 rank) - Increases experience gain with the Medium Armor skill line by 15%.
■Robust (3 ranks) - Increases Health regeneration while in combat by (5/10/15)%.
■Stealthy (3 ranks) – Improve Stealth radius by (1/2/3) meters. Increases damage done while stealthed by (3/6/9)%.
■Carnage (3 ranks) – Increases Critical rating for melee attacks by (2/4/6)%
Or a Nord with
■Two-Handed Weapon Expertise (1 rank) - Increases experience gain with the Two-Handed Weapon skill line by 15%.
■Robust (3 ranks) - Increases Health regeneration while in combat by (5/10/15)%.
■Resist Frost (3 ranks) – Increases Cold resistance by (10/20/30). Increases maximum Health by (1/2/3)%.
■Rugged (3 ranks) - Increases Armor rating by (2/4/6).
Wait no they are exaclty the same right? No advantage at all.
Spoiler: at a certain time in PVE campaign, you will play all the factions' areas and stories. Choose the race you want, it doesn't really matter.
I think you are missing the part where you can only play and pvp with people in your faction, the pve content is irrelevant when deciding what faction to play.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
purple-magicb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.
It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.
Tell me about it. That sucks! Guess I should've read first THEN payed...
correction - I did get a pony out of it. I call him "Many Miles on One Oil Change".I don't comment here often but when I do, I get [snip]0 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »There. Happy?
You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.
No because explorer's pack and imperial edition are two separate things, and explorer is for those who preordered.
And nobody who already has an account ever has a chance of obtaining that superior pet. Oh and the Steam imperial edition comes with BOTH pets. You get mudcrab and dog.
Why didn't they just use the original imperial edition? There wouldn't be this outcry.
If they add things to the imperial edition for anyone who buys it in the future (which is what they did) they should retroactively give what was added to all current imperial edition owners. To not do so is to invite the ire of their existing players.
If you already have an account (at least an imperial account) you are locked out of the Steam edition and can never get that dog pet. That doesn't bother you? Because it bothers the crap out of me.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »There. Happy?
You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.
No because explorer's pack and imperial edition are two separate things, and explorer is for those who preordered.
And nobody who already has an account ever has a chance of obtaining that superior pet. Oh and the Steam imperial edition comes with BOTH pets. You get mudcrab and dog.
Why didn't they just use the original imperial edition? There wouldn't be this outcry.
If they add things to the imperial edition for anyone who buys it in the future (which is what they did) they should retroactively give what was added to all current imperial edition owners. To not do so is to invite the ire of their existing players.
If you already have an account (at least an imperial account) you are locked out of the Steam edition and can never get that dog pet. That doesn't bother you? Because it bothers the crap out of me.
But if you don't already have an account you are locked out of the Explorer's Pack unless you're willing to find someone selling their remaining keys to apply to your account.
It doesn't bother me. At all. There are far worse things in the world.----
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It really isn't the same situation. Three months after launch, you can still easily buy Explorer's Pack keys on the internet.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »There. Happy?
You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.
No because explorer's pack and imperial edition are two separate things, and explorer is for those who preordered.
And nobody who already has an account ever has a chance of obtaining that superior pet. Oh and the Steam imperial edition comes with BOTH pets. You get mudcrab and dog.
Why didn't they just use the original imperial edition? There wouldn't be this outcry.
If they add things to the imperial edition for anyone who buys it in the future (which is what they did) they should retroactively give what was added to all current imperial edition owners. To not do so is to invite the ire of their existing players.
If you already have an account (at least an imperial account) you are locked out of the Steam edition and can never get that dog pet. That doesn't bother you? Because it bothers the crap out of me.
But if you don't already have an account you are locked out of the Explorer's Pack unless you're willing to find someone selling their remaining keys to apply to your account.
It doesn't bother me. At all. There are far worse things in the world.
But yes, it is a minor problem. There's no need to get so worked up about a vanity pet, even if you strongly dislike exclusive content.2 -
Raash✭✭✭✭They should never brought that stupidity called "explorers pack" into the game, there is no real impact on what alliance you choose, you will never ever EVER meet anyone from another alliance during your travels in tamriel. Unless you play PVP in cyrodil. Having an explorer pack just magnifies the whole thing that alliances is just another form of separate servers really. This pack was their only way to give the impression that all 10 races is presented in the gameworld.Edited by Raash on July 18, 2014 7:43PM4
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✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »
I don't care at all.
I don't use steam particularly much these days, I don't want a pet, the two I already have are gathering dust in my Argonians back-pack.
I really don't care, but every other thread is about this stupid subject, why don't the mods merge them all togother, and let the clutter die.WyndStryke wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »... Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.
I still don't get it. Why do you want to play it on Steam? I don't think it is integrated in any way (no achievements etc from what I've heard).
Just because you don't care doesn't mean that some people don't. If you don't care why are you bothering to even reply in these forums other than to troll?
Because I click on the discussion to see what it was about, and saw someone saying that everybody cares in one way or another, this isn't true, so I posted I don't care to point out some of us don't.
I think it was a vain attempt to depolarise the topic and get people back to less radical viewpoints. It failed.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
Kayira✭✭✭✭YOu can always import the game to your steam library the only thing you don't get is the wolf, but you still can play on your normal account. I don't really understand all this whining about not having a white wolf... He can't do anything anyway.2 -
WyndStryke✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »...WyndStryke wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »... Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.
I still don't get it. Why do you want to play it on Steam? I don't think it is integrated in any way (no achievements etc from what I've heard).
Just because you don't care doesn't mean that some people don't. If you don't care why are you bothering to even reply in these forums other than to troll?
I was asking a simple question, not trolling, and I never said I didn't care.
So let me paraphrase and ask again - What is the feature of Steam which you are looking for (and would ESO offer that in any case)? Is it just the dog, or is it something else which the Steam platform offers?
Edited by WyndStryke on July 21, 2014 3:39PM0 -
drogon1✭✭✭✭I'll trade you my explorer's pack for the dog in a heartbeat. Seriously. The explorer's pack was nothing but a headache from day 1. Why? Because of seriously limited inventory space. And the loot from the explorer's pack? - almost not worth the time looking for it.
Personally I'd rather have a dog following me around, as I'm a dog lover with a beautiful lab who follows me around in RL.
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Yeah, horses are character bound.Aren't horses character bound, not account bound??-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n —0 -
nerevarine1138 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »emeraldbay wrote: »
Actually, there are still copies of that floating around. You could apply the key inside to an account you made through Steam.nerevarine1138 wrote: »There. Happy?
You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.
There may be copies floating around, but ZO isn't making it officially available for purchase. So again, they gave you something they didn't give to Steam users. That should take care of the hurt feelings people appear to have over not being pet on the head and told, "You're a very special snowflake," while Matt Firor feeds them chicken soup.
You seriously think that's what it's about? That someone else is getting something we are not? Wow. You managed to skim past pages of posts on multiple threads and still come up clueless as to what the actual gripe is. Congratulations. Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.
Why?
I mean, I'm honestly curious. As I stated on another thread, I've only seen people complain about Steam integration prior to this. Most people I know don't want a centralized system that can control their access to any game.
Isn't that obvious, so they have something else to complain about.1 -
The bigger issue is they get full access and a nicer perk for a lot less money and didn't pay an extra $30 subscription fee....they basically get craglorn, numerous bug fixes, fuller world access and a highly wanted pet...All for about 70% less then what preorder have paid to date.
It's like buying something for $130 but while you are paying at register you see someone else getting the exact same thing for $40.
... and you got to play it that last 3 months where they did not. You are significantly ahead of them and got to have fun but I guess that is not enough for you.Edited by txfeinbergsub17_ESO on July 21, 2014 3:54PM0 -
nerevarine1138 wrote: »Why are people mystified that different people find different things important?
I'm mystified by people blowing up the forums over a dog.
I love me some vanity pets; don't get me wrong. The more, the merrier. But this has to be the most inconsequential debate I could ever imagine having. It's a dog. It's going to pant and bark, and everyone will forget that this happened in a week.
It's directly tied to bad parenting and giving their heathens everything they want when they want it.... and now by ZoS enabling that behavior it is only going to get worse.0 -
nerevarine1138 wrote: »Why are people mystified that different people find different things important?
I'm mystified by people blowing up the forums over a dog.
I love me some vanity pets; don't get me wrong. The more, the merrier. But this has to be the most inconsequential debate I could ever imagine having. It's a dog. It's going to pant and bark, and everyone will forget that this happened in a week.
For most its much more than the dog. It's not a deal breaker or anything like that but not giving early adopters and avid supporters of the game an option to transfer their version of the game over to Steam for some of the perks(trading cards) is kind of giving the bird to those of us that would have preferred a Steam release from the beginning.
Most people didn't complain about the steam integration. They complained about not getting the stupid dog by about 9 to 1.0 -
WyndStryke✭✭✭emeraldbay wrote: »
Although if you had the imperial pack, each alt is allowed to buy the horse for 1 gold (therefore saving 17k each, * 8 = 136k gold saved for the seriously alt-addicted).0 -
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Why are people mystified that different people find different things important?
I'm mystified by people blowing up the forums over a dog.
I love me some vanity pets; don't get me wrong. The more, the merrier. But this has to be the most inconsequential debate I could ever imagine having. It's a dog. It's going to pant and bark, and everyone will forget that this happened in a week.
So short sighted, it wasn't really even about the dog !
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WyndStryke wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »...WyndStryke wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »... Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.
I still don't get it. Why do you want to play it on Steam? I don't think it is integrated in any way (no achievements etc from what I've heard).
Just because you don't care doesn't mean that some people don't. If you don't care why are you bothering to even reply in these forums other than to troll?
I was asking a simple question, not trolling, and I never said I didn't care.
So let me paraphrase and ask again - What is the feature of Steam which you are looking for (and would ESO offer that in any case)? Is it just the dog, or is it something else which the Steam platform offers?
Not directed at me, but I will answer why I want my current account linked through Steam:
1) Access to Steam ESO Forums
2) Chat/Overlay and Guides in Steam while playing
3) Seeing when my friends on Steam are playing ESO, and being able to join them quickly (and vice versa for them.)
4) If ESO offers it, the auto-updating of ESO while I am not home through Steam
5) Trading Cards
What I don't understand from all of the "Why could you possibly want it on Steam" people is, how would SOME of us that want to be able to link our accounts effect ANY of you who don't want to link it?
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WyndStryke✭✭✭...
1) Access to Steam ESO Forums
2) Chat/Overlay and Guides in Steam while playing
3) Seeing when my friends on Steam are playing ESO, and being able to join them quickly (and vice versa for them.)
4) If ESO offers it, the auto-updating of ESO while I am not home through Steam
5) Trading Cards ...
Cool, thanks for explaining.
Incidentally the ESO launcher will auto-update for you currently (but the options need to be set appropriately, and you need to keep it running, can't remember if I did today or not LOL).Edited by WyndStryke on July 21, 2014 5:42PM1 -
KariTR✭✭✭✭✭WyndStryke wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »...WyndStryke wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »... Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.
I still don't get it. Why do you want to play it on Steam? I don't think it is integrated in any way (no achievements etc from what I've heard).
Just because you don't care doesn't mean that some people don't. If you don't care why are you bothering to even reply in these forums other than to troll?
I was asking a simple question, not trolling, and I never said I didn't care.
So let me paraphrase and ask again - What is the feature of Steam which you are looking for (and would ESO offer that in any case)? Is it just the dog, or is it something else which the Steam platform offers?
Not directed at me, but I will answer why I want my current account linked through Steam:
1) Access to Steam ESO Forums
2) Chat/Overlay and Guides in Steam while playing
3) Seeing when my friends on Steam are playing ESO, and being able to join them quickly (and vice versa for them.)
4) If ESO offers it, the auto-updating of ESO while I am not home through Steam
5) Trading Cards
What I don't understand from all of the "Why could you possibly want it on Steam" people is, how would SOME of us that want to be able to link our accounts effect ANY of you who don't want to link it?
If I may address your last paragraph. I don't believe anyone suggested it would affect players who don't want to link to Steam (though always happy to be corrected). I think what's being reacted to is the lack of perspective and outrage a lot of players are bringing to the forums. And that affects us all.
As for your other points, It's a shame what happened in the Steam: ESO forum and I completely understand why it was decided only those with Steam bought games could access them. As above, certain players spoiling a forum for everyone.
And out of curiousity, is 3) any different to checking your friendslist in game?
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »There may be copies floating around, but ZO isn't making it officially available for purchase. So again, they gave you something they didn't give to Steam users. That should take care of the hurt feelings people appear to have over not being pet on the head and told, "You're a very special snowflake," while Matt Firor feeds them chicken soup.
But Steam users can still aquire the Explorers pack...
And people like you need to stop with this "special snowflake" quote. You don't even know what it means. Not everyone who wants something is a "special snowflake". Go away with your abuse.
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