I was pretty on-the-fence about the AOE cap issue before I was subjected to an enemy bombing group myself a few nights back.

Honestly, it's no fun. I came here to play a game, fight some other people, get some kills, and ultimately have fun. I can't really say I've enjoyed my last couple of major keep sieges in Cyrodiil, mostly due to people stacking and turtling. I've tried to stick to ganking, but combat's too infrequent and inconsistent for me.

If this is what PVP in Cyrodiil is to become, then I'd seriously need dueling or something similar implemented ASAP to keep me interested in this game.

i myself did not have a problem with it until I saw crap like this. this is awful:/ if you think one guy spamming it is bad(in some cases it is, emperors doing it is annoying as heck) then wait till you see these blobs! awesome right?? I totally spent the last 2 and a half months playing thru all the PvE content, and leveling and building my character, for PvP, just to come to it, and deal with this most of the time! its awesome!(sarcasm for those of you that did not catch it).
I will say 1v1s and small skirmishes are fun as h***, but huge battles these days often result in crap like this, so I stay away form huge battles if I can. AOE caps need to be removed! ASAP!

Also that "charge bug" with shield charge/invasion isnt due to lag.. it's just a "thing" it does it now and then no matter what ya doing.

I will let you know now that as an EP on NA Wabba the very same _____ happens to me. Oil pot, charging, lag deaths ,everything.

Maybe Misery loves company.

AFAIK the aoe cap was implemented in the first place because of the rampant use of vamp batswarm emps and unkillable DK banner emps. What if they removed the cap but implemented a formula that reduces aoe damage based on number of targets hit. Say if you hit 4-8 targets you do 100% damage, 12 75% dmg, 20 or so 50% dmg, and 24+ only 25% dmg.

In tandem they could add aoe heal-reduction in the vein of say meatbag cat's having a heal-dampening disease effect. (Meat=ewwww). Iceball treb can add cast effectiveness reduction and Lightning bal can add drain to magicka (arcane EMP sort of?)

Now I remember back in the unkillable DK emp days people made snarky comments like "use ranged attacks" "don't melee" "roll dodge". That was very difficult to perform when said DK emp could do anything from charge, chain pull, dragon leap, etc. The flaw in the'logic' of being able to react properly is against current zergballs you often if not always die before you know what hit you much less how to react. Everything needs a counter and a break to balance, Even the best tank available can only go so far until something jams the treads.

Gaettusk wrote: »

I like how the part where the 100+ zerg got wiped was cut out. Cmon, if you're going to complain about a zergball, then you have to address the issue on your own side. Also, LOL @ that group of 20ish people wiping that mass of DC lagging the server.

Ok first of all....this isn't about sides, DC does it, AD does, EP does it...I don't care about the faction when talking about this...This is not a Faction Pride thing..

I'm talking about the complete crap that is zerg balling cause of AOE caps.

Stop trying to make this an issue about Factions.

After watching that video and having experienced similar situations, all I can say is that removing AoE caps won't solve anything but make that lag worse. ZoS really just needs to optimize the game and it's servers more.

Gaettusk wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

I like how the part where the 100+ zerg got wiped was cut out. Cmon, if you're going to complain about a zergball, then you have to address the issue on your own side. Also, LOL @ that group of 20ish people wiping that mass of DC lagging the server.

Ok first of all....this isn't about sides, DC does it, AD does, EP does it...I don't care about the faction when talking about this...This is not a Faction Pride thing..

I'm talking about the complete crap that is zerg balling cause of AOE caps.

Stop trying to make this an issue about Factions.

It's an issue when it's predominately used by your faction atm. You cherry-picked a video of a group of 20 outplaying your 100+ man zerg from your faction; you then want to claim that their aoe was causing server lag and not your 100 man zerg. If you want to accurately address the issue, then you need to notice the plank in your own eye before you make trollish posts like these.

*sign*

All 3 sides do it, both sides there were doing it..and it was causing the lag..quit trying to make it about factions you nub.

Gaettusk wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

I like how the part where the 100+ zerg got wiped was cut out. Cmon, if you're going to complain about a zergball, then you have to address the issue on your own side. Also, LOL @ that group of 20ish people wiping that mass of DC lagging the server.

Ok first of all....this isn't about sides, DC does it, AD does, EP does it...I don't care about the faction when talking about this...This is not a Faction Pride thing..

I'm talking about the complete crap that is zerg balling cause of AOE caps.

Stop trying to make this an issue about Factions.

It's an issue when it's predominately used by your faction atm. You cherry-picked a video of a group of 20 outplaying your 100+ man zerg from your faction; you then want to claim that their aoe was causing server lag and not your 100 man zerg. If you want to accurately address the issue, then you need to notice the plank in your own eye before you make trollish posts like these.

*sign*

All 3 sides do it, both sides there were doing it..and it was causing the lag..quit trying to make it about factions you nub.

Quit trying to resort to ad hominem instead of forming a compelling rebuttal. Look at your own footage. Do you notice how the AoE group from EP was at least 1/5,if not 1/10, of the size of your faction's? 20 people weren't causing the lag; your faction's zerg of 100+ was doing it.

No... those 20 people + those others there were doing...Everyone there standing in that zerg ball was doing it..

Why you're focused on factions of everyone there blows my mind...There were 2 massive zergs there at that fight....First video is the Rainbow group with the rest of the EP zerg shortly after my death... You can see them in the video coming in...the second video is both zergs there.

however that doesn't matter...Because this video isn't about factions..Its about *** gameplay mechanics.

Gaettusk wrote: »

I was around that group of 20 doing their aoe thing. I didn't experience any lag until I got close to that DC zerg aoe spamming. Let me reiterate, notice the plank in your own eye before you talk about the speck of sawdust in another's eye.

If you were around that group of 20 doing that aoe thing, then you'd know that the part of the video i cut out was DC running over the rest of the EP there, and not getting wiped. Nevermind the fact that You can clearly see both sides there standing in one spot spamming the crap out of impulse... Trying to pretend that its only DC there causing lag when you have 2 huge groups of players standing in one spot spamming PBAE's on top of one another lagging the server is hilarious.

christ..the amount of butthurt you've displayed in this thread about one faction (DC) is mind boggling, since the original video wasn't calling out a specific side doing the Zerg Balling, and was completely about the mechanics itself.

Gaettusk wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

I was around that group of 20 doing their aoe thing. I didn't experience any lag until I got close to that DC zerg aoe spamming. Let me reiterate, notice the plank in your own eye before you talk about the speck of sawdust in another's eye.

If you were around that group of 20 doing that aoe thing, then you'd know that the part of the video i cut out was DC running over the rest of the EP there, and not getting wiped. Nevermind the fact that You can clearly see both sides there standing in one spot spamming the crap out of impulse... Trying to pretend that its only DC there causing lag when you have 2 huge groups of players standing in one spot spamming PBAE's on top of one another lagging the server is hilarious.

christ..the amount of butthurt you've displayed in this thread about one faction (DC) is mind boggling, since the original video wasn't calling out a specific side doing the Zerg Balling, and was completely about the mechanics itself.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Trying to pretend that its only DC there causing lag when you have 2 huge groups of players standing in one spot spamming PBAE's on top of one another lagging the server is hilarious."

20 people is a huge group of people? o.O

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

christ..the amount of butthurt you've displayed in this thread about one faction (DC) is mind boggling

I guess pointing out the obvious is being butthurt? I guess you don't know what Hitchen's Razor is... what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Since you're not backing up your wild accusations with evidence, then they're refuted by default.

There was a Rainbow group there from your side, standing in one spot aoeing..There might of been a rainbow group on our side as well, I think there probably was. That's not counting the actual EP zerg there as well..Also standing on top of them doing it as well.

You can see them in the video when I die coming into clip (or they could of just been there all along and the lag kept me from seeing them)

You can see the zergs stacking on top of one another, If you want..I can even show you the last i think 30 seconds of the video I cut out which was me trying to get those stupid oils back and the dc zerg killing the rest of your zerg off.

Again..You've managed to take a thread about how terrible AOE Mechanics are in this game, and derail it because you're upset your side is now in 3rd place on Wabba..Congrats..Your Butthurt is now complete..

Gaettusk wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

I was around that group of 20 doing their aoe thing. I didn't experience any lag until I got close to that DC zerg aoe spamming. Let me reiterate, notice the plank in your own eye before you talk about the speck of sawdust in another's eye.

If you were around that group of 20 doing that aoe thing, then you'd know that the part of the video i cut out was DC running over the rest of the EP there, and not getting wiped. Nevermind the fact that You can clearly see both sides there standing in one spot spamming the crap out of impulse... Trying to pretend that its only DC there causing lag when you have 2 huge groups of players standing in one spot spamming PBAE's on top of one another lagging the server is hilarious.

christ..the amount of butthurt you've displayed in this thread about one faction (DC) is mind boggling, since the original video wasn't calling out a specific side doing the Zerg Balling, and was completely about the mechanics itself.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Trying to pretend that its only DC there causing lag when you have 2 huge groups of players standing in one spot spamming PBAE's on top of one another lagging the server is hilarious."

20 people is a huge group of people? o.O

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

christ..the amount of butthurt you've displayed in this thread about one faction (DC) is mind boggling

I guess pointing out the obvious is being butthurt? I guess you don't know what Hitchen's Razor is... what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Since you're not backing up your wild accusations with evidence, then they're refuted by default.

There was a Rainbow group there from your side, standing in one spot aoeing..There might of been a rainbow group on our side as well, I think there probably was. That's not counting the actual EP zerg there as well..Also standing on top of them doing it as well.

You can see them in the video when I die coming into clip (or they could of just been there all along and the lag kept me from seeing them)

You can see the zergs stacking on top of one another, If you want..I can even show you the last i think 30 seconds of the video I cut out which was me trying to get those stupid oils back and the dc zerg killing the rest of your zerg off.

Again..You've managed to take a thread about how terrible AOE Mechanics are in this game, and derail it because you're upset your side is now in 3rd place on Wabba..Congrats..Your Butthurt is now complete..

If you'd scroll back and reread your posts, then you'd notice that you're the one making it into a faction issue. I merely pointed out your inaccurate assessment of which group was causing the lag, which seemed to make you perturbed beyond belief. I'm sorry that I triggered your ego defense. It will be alright, bud.

Nope

You turned it into a faction issue right off the bat

"I like how the part where the 100+ zerg got wiped was cut out. Cmon, if you're going to complain about a zergball, then you have to address the issue on your own side. Also, LOL @ that group of 20ish people wiping that mass of DC lagging the server. "

This is your original post trying to make it into a faction issue, When it had nothing to do with factions, My very next post was telling you this wasn't a faction issue and all sides do it

Your response..

"It's an issue when it's predominately used by your faction atm. You cherry-picked a video of a group of 20 outplaying your 100+ man zerg from your faction; you then want to claim that their aoe was causing server lag and not your 100 man zerg. If you want to accurately address the issue, then you need to notice the plank in your own eye before you make trollish posts like these."

Which by the way, i'm bolding the best part...

Because neither the video or me in any of the posts up to that point blame only the 20 original people on the lag, Because as you can see in the video..both sides were standing on top of one another AOEing...But for some reason..You've decided that gosh darnet...I must be blaming EP for causing the lag..even though like I said ..Both sides are doing it at that spot.. I even point out my side is starting to stack up again for that crap..

So yea...If you wanna whine about losing to DC...do it in another thread..I could care less which side is doing it, Because it sucks on all accounts.

Gaettusk wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I make whiny posts about zerg balls causing lag and try to pin it on 20 man groups from other factions instead of 100 man groups that are doing it on my own faction

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

you're upset your side is now in 3rd place on Wabba..Congrats..Your Butthurt is now complete..

Yes, clearly you weren't making it a faction issue when you cherry-picked footage and ignored the actual cause for the lag.

Did i specify which side was zerg balling in that video? Did I pin it only on that 20 man group from that video?

Also cherry-picked footage? are you saying i cherry-picked footage of my own side + EP standing in one spoting aoeing on top of one another?

That doesn't seem like that'd be very good cherry picking if I was trying to just blame it on EP...

Anyway, here is how much factions don't matter to this..You can blame it entirely on the DC in that video, and EP had zero to do with lag... I do not care..

In fact I'm pretty sure no one else cares either besides you about what factions were doing what in that video.

Gaettusk wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Anyway, here is how much factions don't matter to this..You can blame it entirely on the DC in that video, and EP had zero to do with lag... I do not care..

I hope you would care. You made a huge deal out of these groups collectively causing your "lag" without any actual evidence. You cherry-picked a short clip from a long night of the DC zerg lagging everyone, which is already public knowledge(numerous references on forums already). You also want to lump in a group of 20 people with that DC 100 man as the cause for your "lag". Any reasonable person can see your apparent bias. Those 20 people weren't causing your "lag", and they didn't contribute much "lag" that wasn't already being supplied by the majority of DC being in one place at a time.

After I pointed out the inconsistencies in your argument, you resorted to ad hominem and deflective behavior. Now, you want to claim that I'm "butthurt"? No wonder why your guild's threads aren't taken seriously. o.O

/facepalm

A. Yes these groups cause lag, whenever you stand on top of each other spamming abilities like that, and not dying, You're causing lag.

B. You're aware I can't actually take video of fights if i'm not actually there right? I'm sure DC zerg was lagging everyone..But unless i'm specifically there to take the video of the fight, I can't actually show that..But then again I guess I did show that because you can clearly see DC in my video standing in the same spot at EP doing the same thing as EP clearly causing Lag..

C. You can blame it on the 20 man or not..If you're upset i'm lumping them in don't consider them part of the lag for all I care.

In closing, Your amount of butthurt is staggering.

@Gaettusk‌

I paly on AD Eu server, I couldn`t care less who`s zerging more on your NA campaign. I never got the impression that Xsorus` post was following a hidden agenda to discriminate another faction.

This topic is about stacked zergs causing lag whatever faction, nationality or gender they might belong to. He even chose a video where his side was obviously zerging as well. Keep it real, dude.

Please keep that stuff out of this thread. Thank you very much.