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Dear Zenimax - Re: Hirelings
Dear Zenimax,
Hirelings suck.
Sincerely,
A devoted player.
During my normal day of exploring, farming, killing, questing and general shenanigans, the above listed items come to me in abundance. From looting corpses, to opening chests, dressers, barrels, trunks, shelves, and sacks. Deconstructing items generally provides these materials is quantities that fill up my meager inventory.
I can supply my guild's crafting bank with these crafting materials, in bulk, on an hourly basis. It is quite often to see more then 1 STACK of these things sitting in the crafting bank wasting space.
Why then would I want a Hireling...an individual that I either hired with money, or gained via my own reputation as a crafter, or purchased with skill-points, or whatever lore-worthy reason that exists to HAVE a hireling, would I want them delivering to me, these crafting mats that I already have in abundance.
The only useful thing a hireling provides me is the occasional upgrade material. GREEN upgrade mats are useless as well. I have STACKS of these things. RAW crafting materials are useful as well, but less so then upgrade mats. ANYTHING else a hireling currently brings me is a waste of my time and skill points, and a colossal waste of the hireling's time.
If I had a cattle-prod, I would use it every single time a hireling returned with mats I never need. I would use that prod until the hireling learned a lesson or was dead.
The next hireling that took his place I would show the burnt charred corpse to, just to make a point. Then I would have to prod the new hireling once...only once...before the job even started, and he would know I mean business and not to return, EVER, with crappy crafting materials.
In conclusion,
Hirelings Suck.
Hirelings suck.
- Armor Traits from Hirelings suck.
- Weapon Traits from Hirelings suck.
- Style Material from Hirelings suck.
Sincerely,
A devoted player.
During my normal day of exploring, farming, killing, questing and general shenanigans, the above listed items come to me in abundance. From looting corpses, to opening chests, dressers, barrels, trunks, shelves, and sacks. Deconstructing items generally provides these materials is quantities that fill up my meager inventory.
I can supply my guild's crafting bank with these crafting materials, in bulk, on an hourly basis. It is quite often to see more then 1 STACK of these things sitting in the crafting bank wasting space.
Why then would I want a Hireling...an individual that I either hired with money, or gained via my own reputation as a crafter, or purchased with skill-points, or whatever lore-worthy reason that exists to HAVE a hireling, would I want them delivering to me, these crafting mats that I already have in abundance.
The only useful thing a hireling provides me is the occasional upgrade material. GREEN upgrade mats are useless as well. I have STACKS of these things. RAW crafting materials are useful as well, but less so then upgrade mats. ANYTHING else a hireling currently brings me is a waste of my time and skill points, and a colossal waste of the hireling's time.
If I had a cattle-prod, I would use it every single time a hireling returned with mats I never need. I would use that prod until the hireling learned a lesson or was dead.
The next hireling that took his place I would show the burnt charred corpse to, just to make a point. Then I would have to prod the new hireling once...only once...before the job even started, and he would know I mean business and not to return, EVER, with crappy crafting materials.
In conclusion,
Hirelings Suck.
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Csub✭✭✭✭✭But they write nice letters, especially Pacrooti and Valinka, yes?"The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn10 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My hirelings tend to give me good stuff, but RNG is RNG.
Maybe if you treated your hirelings more nicely...----
Murray?8 -
I treated them nicely long enough. I've pleaded with them, asked nicely, gave them sweetrolls, and have generally been a nice employer.
Now...it's time for pain.9 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I personally welcome the trait stones. In my experience, you don't get Trait stones instead of resins/tempers/etc.. Instead, you get a chance for each type of ingredient from hirelings. Even at 1/3 hireling, you can still get base-ingredient, trait, temper/resin, and motif stone.
Getting any one type does not negate the possibility of receiving the others.
Edited by DenverRalphy on July 18, 2014 7:38PM0 -
Sindala✭✭✭✭✭I cant complain about mine on my 5 Mule alts. I get about 1 purple or yellow item per day.
I have to agree the little emails they send are funny
Edited by Sindala on July 18, 2014 7:48PMBeing First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.0 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd just like to give a shout-out to Pacrooti for the Mastic. Many thanks from this one!----
Murray?1 -
my level 3 clothing hireling sent me a citrine today, that is all. and this is not uncommon, all my other hirelings send an assortment of stuff, some days better than others. the clothing one just hates me.0 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have sympathy for my hirelings. According to their letters, they face peril on a daily basis to collect materials for me. Since they are not as awesome as Slurg, not being chosen to save Tamriel from Molag Bal and stuff, I understand when some days they send less than awesome materials.Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
Remembering better days of less RNG in all the things.1 -
Vuron✭✭✭✭✭As long as my hirelings send me a few purple or gold upgrade mats a few times a week, than they can send me crap every other day and I'll still be happy.
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Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This amuses me since there was another thread asking ZOS to nerf hirelings.
But yeah, it always disappointed me that my hireling would give me maybe 2 or 3 mostly useless pieces of junk. Every once in a while I might get a gold booster off of one of them. But really, they are mostly a waste of points. I hired them just to read their letters.Edited by Tabbycat on July 21, 2014 1:24PMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lets put it in gold, many can better see it like that
In just one day I got 20k worth of mats from hirelings
should I get that everyday, hell no...I would love too, but I dont expect it. Seems though OP is, you dont always get what you want and need, but be happy that you actually get something.
try writing down what you get every day in a week from all hirelings and turn that into gold saved0 -
ferzalrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Mine almost always give me useless garbage and, quite often, nothing at all (empty mail). In 3 months across my account I don't have enough upgrade mats to make more than a couple of bits of legendary armour and 2 weapons.
Similar to the OP my hirelings suck. Hurrah for RNG.2 -
Adelwulf✭✭✭My hirelings give me purple and gold items all the time. They do send crap from time to time but that's fine with me.1 -
JaJaLuka✭✭✭✭I have upgraded my blacksmith hireling to 3/3 and the description states that he should send me 2 mails per day... this does not happen. He sends me one per day. I keep thinking what an epic waste of a skill point.Krojick, DC Sorc PC NA
Milámber, EP Sorc PC NA
Brunack, EP DK PC NA
General Mark Shephard, EP Temp PC NA (Worst temp NA XD )
Krojick Nightblade, DC NB PC NA
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have upgraded my blacksmith hireling to 3/3 and the description states that he should send me 2 mails per day... this does not happen. He sends me one per day. I keep thinking what an epic waste of a skill point.
Gonna say it again, you need to log into the game every 12 hours to get the two mails everyday....
its like this if you log out of the game for a month you dont get 60 mails sitting and waiting for you to be open, ONLY ONE1 -
CirithValaria✭✭✭✭This week I got 5 scraps of leather (vr9+) 2 elegant lining, 2 dreugh wax and a bone in one mail! I was rather happy little crafter
Motto:
“What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us...
What we have done for others and the world, it remains and is immortal...”
About me:
@Cirith-Valar'ia & @Lilith-Valar'ia (in-game)
| hardcore-casual | pc-eu / ps4-eu | pve | pvp | player since early beta | subscriber since early-launch |
| The Sanctum Sanctorum - founder & guild master |
Characters:@Cirith-Valar'ia(pc-eu)
Cirith Valar'ia | Dunmer (F) | Lady of Light, Templar DD (stamina) | (ex)VR 16 | Aldmeri Dominion (Master Crafter - all crafts, traits & styles.)
Nezghul Sithis | Breton (F) | Winter Ward, Warden Tank (magic) | lvl 50 | Aldmeri Dominion
Hakrate Hecate | Orc (F) | Dying Light, Templar DD (stamina, PvP) | lvl 50 | Aldmeri Dominion
Tummien-Vesien-Tulkki | Argonian (M) | Blood Shield, Nightblade Tank (magic) | (ex)VR 16 | Ebonheart Pact
Valonkantaja | Argonian (F) | Healer of the Hist, Templar Healer | (ex)VR 16 | Ebonheart Pact
Tulenvalaja | Argonian (M) | Guardian of the Hist, Dragonknight DD (magic) | (ex)VR 16 | Ebonheart Pact
Kuolon-Raatojen-Kaitsija | Argonian (M) | Corpsekeeper of the Hist, Necromancer Tank (magic) | lvl 20 | Ebonheart Pact
Kal-Mah | Argonian (F) | Spawn of Wamasu, Sorcerer Tank (magic) | (ex)VR 16 | Ebonheart Pact
Puutiainen | Bosmer (F) | Horny Ravager, Sorcerer DD (stamina) | (ex)VR 16 | Daggerfall Covenant
Musta-Surma | Khajiit (F) | Nightpawler, Nightblade DD - thief/murderer (stamina) | (ex)VR 16 | Daggerfall Covenant
T'Sok Shiar | Altmer (F) | Touched by Daedra, Sorcerer DD (magic) | (ex)VR 1 | Daggerfall Covenant (Master Cook - all recipes.)
S'auron | Khajiit (M) | Poison Paw, Dragonknight DD (stamina) | lvl 50 | Daggerfall Covenant
(1100CP)
@Lilith-Valar'ia(pc-eu)
Lilith Valar'ia | Dunmer (F) | Phœnix, Dragonknight Healer | lvl 25 | Aldmeri Dominion
Stormpaw | Khajiit (F) | Cpt. Pirate Puss, Sorcerer DD (stamina) | lvl 25 | Aldmeri Dominion
Iliath Valar'ia | Dunmer (F) | Storm Ward, Sorcerer Tank (magic) | lvl 25 | Aldmeri Dominion
Haudantakainen | Argonian (M) | Pale Avenger, Nightblade DD (magic) | lvl 25 | Ebonheart Pact
Kira Tal'Shiar | Breton (F) | Warrior of Light, Templar DD (magic) | lvl 10 | Ebonheart Pact
Sunpaw | Khajiit (M) | Crescent Moon Guardian, Templar Tank (stamina, PvP) | lvl 40 | Daggerfall Covenant
Shangri Shadowtusk | Orc (F) | Shadowtusk, Nightblade DD (stamina) | lvl 50 | Daggerfall Covenant
(180CP)
@CirithValaria(ps4-eu)
Topaz-dar | Khajiit (F) | Mysticat, Sorcerer DD (stamina) | lvl 5 | Aldmeri Dominion
Her-Frozen-Heart | Argonian (F) | Frozen Shield, Warden Tank (magicka) | lvl 5 | Daggerfall Covenant
Neazgûl | Redguard (F) | Bear Matron, Warden DD (stamina) | lvl 50 | Daggerfall Covenant
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theyancey✭✭✭✭✭
✭I got an empty provisioner hireling mail yesterday.
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭CirithValaria wrote: »This week I got 5 scraps of leather (vr9+) 2 elegant lining, 2 dreugh wax and a bone in one mail! I was rather happy little crafter
just that for one day, and no work nearly10k worth of mats
Gz mate
other people believe they get this just because they have 3/3 hirelings and feel its in their rights to have it..0 -
maxilaub17_ESO✭✭✭Even when you have max crafting skill and points, it appears even those hirelings have been nerfed too. I mostly get useless crap from my level 50 BS and Enchanter hirelings now, maybe once a week I see a Kuta or Temporing alloy.1
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DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »Even when you have max crafting skill and points, it appears even those hirelings have been nerfed too. I mostly get useless crap from my level 50 BS and Enchanter hirelings now, maybe once a week I see a Kuta or Temporing alloy.
Odd that you should say that. My experience is the opposite. My bank is overflowing with blue/purple/gold tanins/resins/tempers/aspect-glyphs/etc..0 -
CirithValaria✭✭✭✭Artemiisia wrote: »CirithValaria wrote: »This week I got 5 scraps of leather (vr9+) 2 elegant lining, 2 dreugh wax and a bone in one mail! I was rather happy little crafter
just that for one day, and no work nearly10k worth of mats Gz mate
Yes I was very happy little crafter indeedEdited by CirithValaria on July 21, 2014 8:33PMMotto:
“What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us...
What we have done for others and the world, it remains and is immortal...”
About me:
@Cirith-Valar'ia & @Lilith-Valar'ia (in-game)
| hardcore-casual | pc-eu / ps4-eu | pve | pvp | player since early beta | subscriber since early-launch |
| The Sanctum Sanctorum - founder & guild master |
Characters:@Cirith-Valar'ia(pc-eu)
Cirith Valar'ia | Dunmer (F) | Lady of Light, Templar DD (stamina) | (ex)VR 16 | Aldmeri Dominion (Master Crafter - all crafts, traits & styles.)
Nezghul Sithis | Breton (F) | Winter Ward, Warden Tank (magic) | lvl 50 | Aldmeri Dominion
Hakrate Hecate | Orc (F) | Dying Light, Templar DD (stamina, PvP) | lvl 50 | Aldmeri Dominion
Tummien-Vesien-Tulkki | Argonian (M) | Blood Shield, Nightblade Tank (magic) | (ex)VR 16 | Ebonheart Pact
Valonkantaja | Argonian (F) | Healer of the Hist, Templar Healer | (ex)VR 16 | Ebonheart Pact
Tulenvalaja | Argonian (M) | Guardian of the Hist, Dragonknight DD (magic) | (ex)VR 16 | Ebonheart Pact
Kuolon-Raatojen-Kaitsija | Argonian (M) | Corpsekeeper of the Hist, Necromancer Tank (magic) | lvl 20 | Ebonheart Pact
Kal-Mah | Argonian (F) | Spawn of Wamasu, Sorcerer Tank (magic) | (ex)VR 16 | Ebonheart Pact
Puutiainen | Bosmer (F) | Horny Ravager, Sorcerer DD (stamina) | (ex)VR 16 | Daggerfall Covenant
Musta-Surma | Khajiit (F) | Nightpawler, Nightblade DD - thief/murderer (stamina) | (ex)VR 16 | Daggerfall Covenant
T'Sok Shiar | Altmer (F) | Touched by Daedra, Sorcerer DD (magic) | (ex)VR 1 | Daggerfall Covenant (Master Cook - all recipes.)
S'auron | Khajiit (M) | Poison Paw, Dragonknight DD (stamina) | lvl 50 | Daggerfall Covenant
(1100CP)
@Lilith-Valar'ia(pc-eu)
Lilith Valar'ia | Dunmer (F) | Phœnix, Dragonknight Healer | lvl 25 | Aldmeri Dominion
Stormpaw | Khajiit (F) | Cpt. Pirate Puss, Sorcerer DD (stamina) | lvl 25 | Aldmeri Dominion
Iliath Valar'ia | Dunmer (F) | Storm Ward, Sorcerer Tank (magic) | lvl 25 | Aldmeri Dominion
Haudantakainen | Argonian (M) | Pale Avenger, Nightblade DD (magic) | lvl 25 | Ebonheart Pact
Kira Tal'Shiar | Breton (F) | Warrior of Light, Templar DD (magic) | lvl 10 | Ebonheart Pact
Sunpaw | Khajiit (M) | Crescent Moon Guardian, Templar Tank (stamina, PvP) | lvl 40 | Daggerfall Covenant
Shangri Shadowtusk | Orc (F) | Shadowtusk, Nightblade DD (stamina) | lvl 50 | Daggerfall Covenant
(180CP)
@CirithValaria(ps4-eu)
Topaz-dar | Khajiit (F) | Mysticat, Sorcerer DD (stamina) | lvl 5 | Aldmeri Dominion
Her-Frozen-Heart | Argonian (F) | Frozen Shield, Warden Tank (magicka) | lvl 5 | Daggerfall Covenant
Neazgûl | Redguard (F) | Bear Matron, Warden DD (stamina) | lvl 50 | Daggerfall Covenant
(160CP)0 -
Archaole✭✭✭I've actually gotten 2 epics in a day. I've even gotten a legendary and an epic of the same craft in 1 shipment. So now, I hold on to hope that it'll happen again. Because I know that it can.0
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Bazzakrak✭✭✭I get around 10 legendary items each week from my hirelings in total spread over woodworker, metalsmith and clothier, and 4-8 tomatoes/oats etc each day from my provisioners. And those nice purple runes a couple times a week from my enchanter
So in my eyes the hirelings are pretty nice to have.
This is the amount of hirelings I have atm.
For provisioner I have 8x lvl 3 hirelings.
Blacksmith 2x lvl3, 4x lvl2 and 2x lvl1
Clothier 2x lvl3, 4x lvl2 and 2x lvl1
Enchanter 2x lvl2 5x lvl1
Woodwirker 2x lvl3, 4x lvl2 and 2x lvl1
We're born, we live, we die. And along the way, you do the best with whatever crap you step in
I'm stranded all alone in the gas station of love, And I have to use the self-service pumps
Post Hoc Ergo Proptor Hoc
Motivation alone is not enough. If i had an idiot with me and i motivated him, then i will have a motivated idiot to do stuff
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GnatB✭✭✭✭Artemiisia wrote: »Gonna say it again, you need to log into the game every 12 hours to get the two mails everyday....
its like this if you log out of the game for a month you dont get 60 mails sitting and waiting for you to be open, ONLY ONE
Yes, I happen to realize that's how it works. Which doesn't mean I don't still think it's broken, just that it's apparently broken by design. It should be sending me 2 mails a day. Not a mail 12 hours after I last logged on and got one.
Now, I'm fine with not accumulating them over multiple days, but they should at least accumulate over 1 day.
As far as I'm concerned, it's current implementation is broken. If I'm logging in at 8pm every day, there should be 2 mails waiting for me. Not 1. (or, if I only have 1 or 2/3, there should *always* be 1 mail. Not 1 every other day or thereabouts)
Achievements Suck1 -
SgtPepperUK✭✭✭But they write nice letters, especially Pacrooti and Valinka, yes?
I don't have hirelings for Alchemy and Cooking so I can't comment on them but Pacrooti and Valinka are definitely faves of mine, love getting their letters.
Some of the Clothier hireling's letters aren't too bad either, I did like the ones about the name of her store.
Really hope we get to meet them as NPCs one day - Valinka and Pacrooti would make good companion NPCs if they ever introduced anything like that into ESO.0 -
indytims_ESO✭✭✭✭I think they are fine. Hirelings are meant to augment your supplies of materials - not be the primary source of it.
And the best part is - you can always respec and get rid of them if you want. Pricey, yes, but if they're as bad as you make them out to be, then it might be worth it to you to make the change.2 -
Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭I like my hireling thank you very much.
You think they 'suck', as you so eloquently put it. That's significantly different from them actually doing so.
The great thing is: If you don't like them, you don't have to use them. Simple. Problem solved.
If you can be anything, be kind.0 -
enem✭like the OP i have no need for trait or style materials. however I don't mind receiving them but wish there was a way to be able to delete attachments from their mails directly.
ie.. I would prefer to be able to click the bone/starmetal icon and press a key to trash it, rather than have to grab them all, then one by one delete from my inventory.
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