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There is a simple reason why we are upset about the wolf being a Steam exclusive
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And it's summed up right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIDaEWwjcC8
You don't give new customers (in this case players) things that existing customers cannot ever obtain. It angers existing customers, and you don't want to anger your existing customers.
(Don't read too too much into that video. No dumb "duh banks are different than games" analogies because you're just missing the point if you do that)
FYI I don't even really want the wolf. I want a cat pet. But that's not the point of all this.
Edited by Holycannoli on July 18, 2014 7:31PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIDaEWwjcC8You don't give new customers (in this case players) things that existing customers cannot ever obtain. It angers existing customers, and you don't want to anger your existing customers.
(Don't read too too much into that video. No dumb "duh banks are different than games" analogies because you're just missing the point if you do that)
FYI I don't even really want the wolf. I want a cat pet. But that's not the point of all this.
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✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »
This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.----
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.----
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
Haha you don't think the business world is a cutthroat, soulless world?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM
Edited by Holycannoli on July 18, 2014 7:29PM0 -
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✭Yeap that videos sums it up.
If that is how zen wants to do it , it will only get worse and worse with time.
Zen just made me realise that being a loyal customer here is a stupid idea."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So instead, do nothing until a company becomes like Sky where they monopolize the market, but think it's OK to offer nothing in return. So it's have the crappy service they provide or have nothing.
All happened because 'civilized people' are happy to take it up the.....
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Chillic✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Yeap that videos sums it up.
If that is how zen wants to do it , it will only get worse and worse with time.
Zen just made me realise that being a loyal customer here is a stupid idea.
Reading this comment just made me realize that reading this comment was a stupid idea.0 -
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
We will see if you feel that way when you're excluded from something you want. Easy to take the high road now isn't it?
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So basically as a paying customer we should just accept whatever scraps they throw our way? We are not allowed to voice our concerns?:trollin:4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So basically as a paying customer we should just accept whatever scraps they throw our way? We are not allowed to voice our concerns?
No. I'm saying that your concerns are trivial, and that you should save your voice for things that are important.
I don't care that you think a dog is important. It isn't. If the game were going to go free-to-play (it won't, but this is a hypothetical), that would justify this level of outcry.----
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lecarcajou_ESO✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here.
Nah... "The squeaky wheel gets the kick!"
Edited by lecarcajou_ESO on July 18, 2014 7:47PM"Morally Decentralized."3 -
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✭mikeandsharrahub17_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Yeap that videos sums it up.
If that is how zen wants to do it , it will only get worse and worse with time.
Zen just made me realise that being a loyal customer here is a stupid idea.
Reading this comment just made me realize that reading this comment was a stupid idea.
Dont worry , the feeling is mutual mate."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
We will see if you feel that way when you're excluded from something you want. Easy to take the high road now isn't it?
Suspicion and Worry is just "Interest paid in advance."
Until the game actually limits availability to a "Non-Vanity" item, you really have no premise nor argument.0 -
Hadria✭✭✭✭It's not fair that they only get a dog and crab while I got a monkey 2 crabs and that lil dino guy. How dare zeni offer something different for new potential buyers. But they'll be giving other dogs out just not that one you see. So your whining paid off congrats1 -
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Scraps? What scraps? I'd settle for scraps. I'd settle for a 3 legged poodle. I'd settle for anything besides the nothing that has been offered to current subscribers since launch day.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So basically as a paying customer we should just accept whatever scraps they throw our way? We are not allowed to voice our concerns?
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✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So basically as a paying customer we should just accept whatever scraps they throw our way? We are not allowed to voice our concerns?
What you paid for was made publicly explicit. Are you for a moment willing to argue otherwise?1 -
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✭DenverRalphy wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So basically as a paying customer we should just accept whatever scraps they throw our way? We are not allowed to voice our concerns?
What you paid for was made publicly explicit. Are you for a moment willing to argue otherwise?
Nobody is saying they will sue zen , which we could if they had any breach in the contract.
What people are saying is , if they want to keep their players happy and playing , which is something that a sub game should focus atleast a little , giving content that is exclusive to new players is not a good idea.
Which is what they are doing right now.
So yeah , not everyone will take this crap in silence , even if yes , the best we can all do is unsubb and add to the already many hateful on this game."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So basically as a paying customer we should just accept whatever scraps they throw our way? We are not allowed to voice our concerns?
What you paid for was made publicly explicit. Are you for a moment willing to argue otherwise?
Nobody is saying they will sue zen , which we could if they had any breach in the contract.
What people are saying is , if they want to keep their players happy and playing , which is something that a sub game should focus atleast a little , giving content that is exclusive to new players is not a good idea.
Which is what they are doing right now.
So yeah , not everyone will take this crap in silence , even if yes , the best we can all do is unsubb and add to the already many hateful on this game.
I wasn't aware that players weren't kept happy and playing when the game was something they enjoyed playing. I now realize that the only reason I play is for the inevitable free vanity items that ZO will give me.----
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They'll be offering a brown dog in lieu of a white one so if it's a 'I want a dog!' thing, that's been addressed. If it's a 'I want ALL the dogs!' issue, that's more of a self control / mommy didn't love me enough to buy me $300 sneakers thing and I'm sorry your childhood sucked.Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So basically as a paying customer we should just accept whatever scraps they throw our way? We are not allowed to voice our concerns?
What you paid for was made publicly explicit. Are you for a moment willing to argue otherwise?
Nobody is saying they will sue zen , which we could if they had any breach in the contract.
What people are saying is , if they want to keep their players happy and playing , which is something that a sub game should focus atleast a little , giving content that is exclusive to new players is not a good idea.
Which is what they are doing right now.
So yeah , not everyone will take this crap in silence , even if yes , the best we can all do is unsubb and add to the already many hateful on this game.
I wasn't aware that players weren't kept happy and playing when the game was something they enjoyed playing. I now realize that the only reason I play is for the inevitable free vanity items that ZO will give me.
You can play for any reason you want really.
For the last 2 month personally , the only reason i paid my sub was to support zen in hopes that this game become something better in the future.
Didi i play? Yes.
Do i think what i played is even close to being worth paying for? No."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
That may be how "life" works at some companies, old man, but it's not a good way to conduct yourself. It's the way that children get what they want. It isn't the way civilized people conduct business.
So basically as a paying customer we should just accept whatever scraps they throw our way? We are not allowed to voice our concerns?
No. I'm saying that your concerns are trivial, and that you should save your voice for things that are important.
I don't care that you think a dog is important. It isn't. If the game were going to go free-to-play (it won't, but this is a hypothetical), that would justify this level of outcry.
You have erroneously decided this is trivial because you do not understand the value. I have tried repeated to get you to understand it or at least accept it.:trollin:2 -
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Guys... guys. We are all just awful and wasting our life on a video game forum. We all get the loser award.
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Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
If that is how you view life working, then you have a lot of maturing to do... son.0 -
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✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and other analogies fit here. That's how life works son. Never settle for subpar customer service.
If that is how you view life working, then you have a lot of maturing to do... son.
Except it kind of does to be honest.
My husband is a car dealer and people that really put the pressure on save a lot more money then what he calls "suckers" who just take sticker price and leave.
When you want a job you call frequently and ask about the process because when you do this it puts your application on the top of the list (fun fact I was that person who they called those people usually got hired)
of course there are ways to go about it - you could argue that his approach is wrong sure. but arguing that the analogy he used is wrong is simply asinine.
Its the same nine or so suckers/zos apologists who keep posting on these threads anyway.
Anyway I fail to see how "here take my money I want to pay you for something" is entitlement.Edited by Laura on July 18, 2014 8:10PM4 -
Akula✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
This is a perfect example of why they shouldn't be giving any kind of wolf pet. Because people like you think that this is how you get things. That if you scream loud enough, eventually they'll toss you candy to shut you up.
That shouldn't be acceptable behavior in this community. We can do better.
So true. I have lost a lot of faith in this games community after this freaking do stupidity.
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This argument is literally the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
If pixels didn't matter and cosmetics you would be playing a mud. Would you be ok if ESO suddenly became a text game?
The entire thing is pointless. Video games are - INDEED - pointless.Edited by ZOS_SandraF on July 18, 2014 9:41PM3
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