nerevarine1138 wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

Actually that was the one perk, aside from rings of mara, that WAS supposed to give you an advantage. Want to play on DC but want an Altmer because of the passives .. you can only do that with Explorer Pack. Being able to pick to play a class from a different alliance to get those passives is by defenition an advantage over the people who are limited to thier alliances races only.

How is being able to pick a race that has differnt skills than people without it not an advantage or just vanity? If all the races had the same passives but looked different then that would be vanity.

Having a doggie would be nice, however, I am holding out for a kitty.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

Actually that was the one perk, aside from rings of mara, that WAS supposed to give you an advantage. Want to play on DC but want an Altmer because of the passives .. you can only do that with Explorer Pack. Being able to pick to play a class from a different alliance to get those passives is by defenition an advantage over the people who are limited to thier alliances races only.

How is being able to pick a race that has differnt skills than people without it not an advantage or just vanity? If all the races had the same passives but looked different then that would be vanity.

Being able to play any race any alliance doesn't offer you an advantage. It offers you the chance to play as any alliance. You weren't locked out of playing an Altmer if you didn't pre-order. And every race has racial bonuses, so no race has a substantive advantage over others. They all have different strengths.

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So how is being able to pick anyone you want, when other without the EP can't .. not an advantage? Maybe it isn't an advantage you care about but it is still by defenition an advantage.

If you want to have 3% reduced magicka costs and you are not DC how is it not an advantage to be able to pick Breton in the AD when everyone else in the AD does not have that option?

Defenition of advantage a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favorable or superior position.

Being able to choose from 9 or 10 with Imp, instead of three is a favorable or superior position.

Just because it isn't one you care about doesn't mean it isn't an advantage .. that argument is just stupid. I know you pride yourself as being the rock in the shoe of everyone on the forum but your argument doesn't make any sense here.

Go create an Imperial it states Luck right on the creation screen.

kitsinni wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

Actually that was the one perk, aside from rings of mara, that WAS supposed to give you an advantage. Want to play on DC but want an Altmer because of the passives .. you can only do that with Explorer Pack. Being able to pick to play a class from a different alliance to get those passives is by defenition an advantage over the people who are limited to thier alliances races only.

How is being able to pick a race that has differnt skills than people without it not an advantage or just vanity? If all the races had the same passives but looked different then that would be vanity.

Being able to play any race any alliance doesn't offer you an advantage. It offers you the chance to play as any alliance. You weren't locked out of playing an Altmer if you didn't pre-order. And every race has racial bonuses, so no race has a substantive advantage over others. They all have different strengths.

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So how is being able to pick anyone you want, when other without the EP can't .. not an advantage? Maybe it isn't an advantage you care about but it is still by defenition an advantage.

If you want to have 3% reduced magicka costs and you are not DC how is it not an advantage to be able to pick Breton in the AD when everyone else in the AD does not have that option?

Defenition of advantage a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favorable or superior position.

Being able to choose from 9 or 10 with Imp, instead of three is a favorable or superior position.

Just because it isn't one you care about doesn't mean it isn't an advantage .. that argument is just stupid. I know you pride yourself as being the rock in the shoe of everyone on the forum but your argument doesn't make any sense here.

Go create an Imperial it states Luck right on the creation screen.

By that same logic, if I want to get increased crit rating, then I gain an advantage over other AD players by picking Khajiit.

Unless you have an completely insurmountable combination of racial and alliance biases, you can't possibly claim that being able to play in a different alliance offers you an advantage over other players. Every player of a different race has their own racial abilities with their own advantages. Your abilities suit your playstyles, their abilities suit theirs. You are not going to be able to beat someone in a one-on-one fight simply because you were able to create an Altmer character in the DC.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

Wrong. It gave any race any faction, a decisive gameplay impact for organized play at launch.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

Wrong. It gave any race any faction, a decisive gameplay impact for organized play at launch.

In. What. Way?

My playing an Argonian in the AD has no effect whatsoever on anyone else's gameplay. I am not going to level faster, kill things more effectively, or be better at PvP.

emeraldbay wrote: »

ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

Example, please.

I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.

Xnemesis wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

There. Happy?

You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.

Actually, there are still copies of that floating around. You could apply the key inside to an account you made through Steam.

There may be copies floating around, but ZO isn't making it officially available for purchase. So again, they gave you something they didn't give to Steam users. That should take care of the hurt feelings people appear to have over not being pet on the head and told, "You're a very special snowflake," while Matt Firor feeds them chicken soup.

You seriously think that's what it's about? That someone else is getting something we are not? Wow. You managed to skim past pages of posts on multiple threads and still come up clueless as to what the actual gripe is. Congratulations. Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.

yes you can you can add it as a non steam game just like any other non steam game

Does that give us access to Steam trading cards? No? How about Steam guides through the in-game overlay? No? Huh seems like it's not quite the same then

Xnemesis wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

There. Happy?

You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.

Actually, there are still copies of that floating around. You could apply the key inside to an account you made through Steam.

There may be copies floating around, but ZO isn't making it officially available for purchase. So again, they gave you something they didn't give to Steam users. That should take care of the hurt feelings people appear to have over not being pet on the head and told, "You're a very special snowflake," while Matt Firor feeds them chicken soup.

You seriously think that's what it's about? That someone else is getting something we are not? Wow. You managed to skim past pages of posts on multiple threads and still come up clueless as to what the actual gripe is. Congratulations. Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.

yes you can you can add it as a non steam game just like any other non steam game

There have been way too many posts about this already. If you had bothered to read any of them you would know why this is not a solution. But please go on. It's entertaining to watch you defend an argument that you clearly know very little about.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

Example, please.

I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.

Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

Example, please.

I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.

Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

Ok.

And this isn't a problem when you're facing an EP force because...?

I'm drawing a blank here.

I'm missing the part where I said this advantage was a problem in the first place. I'm simply trying to quell the argument that being able to play any race in any alliance is purely cosmetic, when it actually does give a small advantage.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

Example, please.

I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.

Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

Ok.

And this isn't a problem when you're facing an EP force because...?

I'm drawing a blank here.

I'm missing the part where I said this advantage was a problem in the first place. I'm simply trying to quell the argument that being able to play any race in any alliance is purely cosmetic, when it actually does give a small advantage.

But you've failed to explain how.

Every race has an advantage over every other race in specific areas of gameplay. The Explorer's Pack has no effect on that.

But that's just it. Using Ebonheart Pact races to fight against the Pact means that strategies that exposed weaknesses in Dominion soldiers won't work.

Each race has an advantage over another, as you said, and that's what balances PvP. Get a group of all the races working on the same side, and you've got a group that, theoretically, can take down any non-Explorer's Pack group, because they have an advantage against everyone in one way or another.

if you want to play on steam go ahead and buy it then log in with your info. All you lose out on is the free 30 days and the dog which you can get a dif version probably in a future patch.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

There. Happy?

You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.

Actually, there are still copies of that floating around. You could apply the key inside to an account you made through Steam.

There may be copies floating around, but ZO isn't making it officially available for purchase. So again, they gave you something they didn't give to Steam users. That should take care of the hurt feelings people appear to have over not being pet on the head and told, "You're a very special snowflake," while Matt Firor feeds them chicken soup.

You seriously think that's what it's about? That someone else is getting something we are not? Wow. You managed to skim past pages of posts on multiple threads and still come up clueless as to what the actual gripe is. Congratulations. Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.

Why?

I mean, I'm honestly curious. As I stated on another thread, I've only seen people complain about Steam integration prior to this. Most people I know don't want a centralized system that can control their access to any game.

And some people do. There wouldn't be 10 threads on the Steam/wolfhound topic if people didn't. Someone set up a petition on change.org which has 300+ signatures already. Someone actually did a great job breaking down all the differences between playing ESO on steam and adding it as a non steam game even including screen shots. What's infuriating is people like you who don't want or appreciate using it on Steam criticizing those of us that do. I have not seen one valid argument against using it through Steam. The posts I have seen make inaccurate statements about it being bloatware and taking up resources. I have already posted screen shots in two different forums about this showing factually that it uses less resources than the launcher. I get that you don't want to use it on Steam, but that doesn't mean some of us don't.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

ebondeath wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

There. Happy?

You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.

Actually, there are still copies of that floating around. You could apply the key inside to an account you made through Steam.

There may be copies floating around, but ZO isn't making it officially available for purchase. So again, they gave you something they didn't give to Steam users. That should take care of the hurt feelings people appear to have over not being pet on the head and told, "You're a very special snowflake," while Matt Firor feeds them chicken soup.

You seriously think that's what it's about? That someone else is getting something we are not? Wow. You managed to skim past pages of posts on multiple threads and still come up clueless as to what the actual gripe is. Congratulations. Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.

It doesn't make people who actually want the pet feel better either.

But people are annoyed with the people who are annoyed with Zenimax so we're all unhappy now. Misery loves company.

What's humorous is that people are defending this at all. If everyone who didn't care about the pet or the Steam keys just stopped interacting in the posts regarding the pet and Steam keys, and went and did something they DID care about, there'd be significantly less drama on these boards right now.

The truth is, they do care. They care, but they won't admit it because that would leech a small bit of the joy out of their time in game, with that little thought in the back of their mind resonating, reminding them they are supporting a company that doesn't give two *** about them.

I don't care at all.

I don't use steam particularly much these days, I don't want a pet, the two I already have are gathering dust in my Argonians back-pack.

I really don't care, but every other thread is about this stupid subject, why don't the mods merge them all togother, and let the clutter die.

WyndStryke wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

... Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.

I still don't get it. Why do you want to play it on Steam? I don't think it is integrated in any way (no achievements etc from what I've heard).

Just because you don't care doesn't mean that some people don't. If you don't care why are you bothering to even reply in these forums other than to troll?

I would soooooo much rather have the dog