So, how can this be fixed? (The Wolfhound Crisis) (VERY LONG)
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭SG_Celerrimus wrote: »WHINE
Stop whining. Please. It's demeaning.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.1 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »Wolfhounds are not part wolf. They are unusual in having very little wolf in their make up. They kill wolves.
From the other thread:
The reason there are no wolves in Ireland is the Irish Wolfhound. I used to own a 175 lb cross. My cousin bred them, her big guy could take peanuts from the middle of the dinning room table without touching it, over 200 lbs that one.
They hunt by sight and will usually kill a wolf by running it down, grabbing it just behind the shoulders, and stopping as fast as they can. They kinda break them.
Same with the Borzoi/Russian Wolfhound - no wolf in 'em (beyond the fact that dogs and wolves (and coyotes) are all technically different races of the same species - they can all interbreed and make viable, fully fertile offspring, including cross-breeds) - they were bred to kill wolves. (Species = a group of creatures that can freely interbreed and make viable, fully fertile offspring. Race = groups of creatures that can all interbreed and make viable, fertile offspring, but don't necessarily look or act the same as each other. Half-species = things like horses and donkeys, which can make viable but non-fertile offspring.)
A great aunt of mine had a big black Borzoi whom only she could handle; this thing found sport in chasing the black bears that would come across the property; including a sow bear who used to bring her cubs around for my great uncle to inspect while he was exercising his harness racers (she never threatened the horses, so he didn't mind her; his idiot son was more of a threat with his birdshot, and once shot my uncle's own horse in the neck. She recovered fine, the gun was destroyed.)
Anyway, I remember this dog well; when it came to visiting, you didn't get out of the car until my great aunt came outside.
My husband wants an Irish wolfhound, but understands he has to wait for the cat to pass on first.
Adding the wolfhound to existing Imp ed. and using it as an incentive to upgrade via Zeni itself would be good and nice, though.
Edited by isengrimb16_ESO on July 18, 2014 12:49AM0 -
SG_Celerrimus wrote: »So, as many of you are aware, there is a wolfhound in the game, but the only way to get it is to throw your money at the steam machine and buy a steam copy of ESO, and even then you might not be able to get the wolfhound on your current account since it would be the steam account, and steam accounts for ESO cost money, currently $48 with the sale, and $80 when the sale ends, and you would need to pay $15 a month to keep that account active, so buying an account through steam to get a wolfhound is rather illogical imo since, if you can reply to this post, you already paid money and are paying monthly to play ESO.
Now, a wolfhound is a pretty significant pet, judging how its the only dog available in game, its part wolf, and its pretty big (waist height to a breton male judging by the picture). So, obviously people who already bought the game and have been around for a while and perhaps even bought the original physical/digital imperial edition are going to want it because, like I said, its a pretty significant pet. Also, people who bought the original I.E. from stores or online are going to feel cheated out since people from Steam will be buying their I.E. and be getting more then them since Steam I.E. people are gettings all the benefits of the I.E. (Even the Mudcrab) as well as this new and excitingly awesome pet.
Also, quick side not to keep the above paragraph from getting to long, original Imperial Edition people might feel EXTREMELY cheated because not only are they getting more for their money through steam and original Imperial Edition people had to pay more, since the Steam I.E is on sale right now for $48, and people who ordered the Physical copy had to go through reserve fees and what not. (For example, I bought mine at Gamestop and paid over $100 for it, like $118 or something like that). I don't remember what the original price of the digital version was or if it has gone down, but just incase, after the sale it is going to be $80.
Now, also for the sake of covering more bases, some might say the physical I.E people got he book and statue and what not. Well, $80 vs $118, the physical edition people paid more, but back to the point (enough side tracking!)
Now, there seem to be a lot of argument threads and complaining (for lack of a better word) threads floating around about this. Ever since I heard the news, so maybe 2 hours before the typing of this thread, I have been trying to think of ways this could be changed to be viewed in a better light, since discontent seems rather high at the moment.
So, what can ZOS do to amend this situation so everyone walks away happy, or discontent is lessened down?
1, Remove the pet all together?
2. Put it on the cash shop immediately after the Steam deal ends?
3. Give it to long standing members of the community and or original Imperial Edition people?
4. Give a wolf and a dog to long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people?
5. Have the wolfhound be available elsewhere in the game right after the Steam deal ends?
6. Give long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people a wolf mount (direwolf?)?(Are there even wolves big enough in ES lore?)
Sorry but with the bolded you're being hypocritical of the whole argument of us receiving stuff like this as a reward for loyalty rather than it being a cash gouge tool.
Without the bolded I would agree with you.0 -
Enkil✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is just a vanity pet? If so, I don't care that it's exclusive. Where are the pets the add to our bag space like a pack guar??0 -
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SG_Celerrimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭@infraction2008b16_ESO
See, thats just editing it to make it seem like I am saying something I am not. I would be fine, if not prefer if it was given to long standing members. I just added the imperial edition part because its already technically part of an imperial edition and part of the argument is that people with Steam C.Es are getting more for their money than people who bought the same thing, but like I said, if it just went to long standing members as well, then thats fine.0 -
Exarch✭✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »he said, failing to realize the person he quoted had already been refuted...
I don't believe that I have been refuted, nor even that I made a statement of fact which could be refuted.
I join a gym, three months later the gym has a promotion with a local sporting goods store, buy your gym membership at the store and you get a free t-shirt; I'm not seeing where I would have cause to be upset that existing members are not given a t-shirt, even if that specific t-shirt were not available for purchase outside of the promotion. Obviously in this case the promotional item is virtual and therefore not limited in quantity, but still.
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TeraAngelos✭✭✭I join a gym, three months later the gym has a promotion with a local sporting goods store, buy your gym membership at the store and you get a free t-shirt; I'm not seeing where I would have cause to be upset that existing members are not given a t-shirt, even if that specific t-shirt were not available for purchase outside of the promotion. Obviously in this case the promotional item is virtual and therefore not limited in quantity, but still.
Many people here, myself included, think that that t-shirt SHOULD be available for purchase outside of the promotion. Especially if several gym members already said they would have loved to have a t-shirt just like it.0 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭He's bit of perspective on "the wolfhound crisis". A plane being shot down over the Ukraine is a crisis, not getting virtual dog in a game is not a crisis."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."1 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »He's bit of perspective on "the wolfhound crisis". A plane being shot down over the Ukraine is a crisis, not getting virtual dog in a game is not a crisis.
It's a crisis for Ukranians. As long as my country ain't the one shooting it down, not my problem, or the problem of any non-Ukranian.
This is a game issue that affects people who play this game.
It would have been much fairer to attach this dog to existing Imperial accounts, and also offer it on the Zenimax site as an incentive to upgrade to Imperial for people with regular accounts, along with the Steam promotion. Mine was beta/early acess; I'm not into monkeys or that weird lizard thing. I didn't buy the Imperial edition, because I don't normally play humany types, and I didn't like the crab. I got the CE maps, which are fine. I dropped cash on the Palomino because it's a Palomino, and I know I can never have the real one I always wanted. But if they dangled that dog in front of my nose as an incentive to upgrade to Imperial (non-Steam), I'd be giving heavy hints to my husband right now as to what my birthday present ought to be.
Edited by isengrimb16_ESO on July 18, 2014 1:39AM0 -
Laerania_ESO✭✭✭
Those RL mechanics don't work in the world of MMORPGs so don't try the falacy of simplification here (the same for the just pixels comment over there).I guess I'm not really getting it. I buy something in a store, three months later the store does a promotion where they give away a free toy to people who buy the thing, and the perspective is that everyone who bought the thing three months ago should also get a toy? That wouldn't be how I would expect buying stuff to work.
Besides those extra dollars from Steam, all they are getting is more disappointment and people that feel they have been ripped off by Zenimax.
It is sad, all I get from ESO are bad news every week.0 -
Mescalamba✭✭✭Heh..
..I get when people get angry cause:
1) game doesnt work
2) game mechanic doesnt work
3) something is OP, something is weak, something is stupid (DK, NB, vampire drain skill)
But over vanity pet? Seriously?
Want something vanity with a lot of fur and bad breath? Turn yourself into werewolf..
Couldnt give less about this issue. Never saw anyone whining so much over WoW pets. Boohoo, you cant get doggie, world is going to end and Molag Bal will eat you, unless you get your doggie.
Before I started to play game, I thought that Imperial Edition was nice thing and maybe bit unfair to players (you know, horse, race..). At later level (about 35) I got my own nice black horse (cause its black, no other reason) and realized, that Imperial horse is just meh. So what they really got is decent race and.. thats all.
Vanity pets? Seriously? Get over yourselves..Edited by Mescalamba on July 18, 2014 1:40AMProud owner of personal vampire and werewolf army (4 werewolves/4 vampires)..
I'm also using large doses of irony and sarcasm.
Plus Im mean person, cause I really dont have reason to like you. Or anyone.3 -
Mescalamba✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »He's bit of perspective on "the wolfhound crisis". A plane being shot down over the Ukraine is a crisis, not getting virtual dog in a game is not a crisis.
I think its called 1st world problems. Again I thought, that mankind cant be THAT stupid, yet some people, as always proved me wrong. Faith in humanity lost..Proud owner of personal vampire and werewolf army (4 werewolves/4 vampires)..
I'm also using large doses of irony and sarcasm.
Plus Im mean person, cause I really dont have reason to like you. Or anyone.2 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Mescalamba wrote: »Heh..
..I get when people get angry cause:
1) game doesnt work
2) game mechanic doesnt work
3) something is OP, something is weak, something is stupid (DK, NB, vampire drain skill)
But over vanity pet? Seriously?
Want something vanity with a lot of fur and bad breath? Turn yourself into werewolf..
Couldnt give less about this issue. Never saw anyone whining so much over WoW pets. Boohoo, you cant get doggie, world is going to end and Molag Bal will eat you, unless you get your doggie.
Before I started to play game, I thought that Imperial Edition was nice thing and maybe bit unfair to players (you know, horse, race..). At later level (about 35) I got my own nice black horse (cause its black, no other reason) and realized, that Imperial horse is just meh. So what they really got is decent race and.. thats all.
Vanity pets? Seriously? Get over yourselves..
"It would have been much fairer to attach this dog to existing Imperial accounts, and also offer it on the Zenimax site as an incentive to upgrade to Imperial for people with regular accounts, along with the Steam promotion"
What would be wrong with this? Long-term premium players would get a gift, regular-account players would have a VERY nice enticement to upgrade to Imperial, as well as being an incentive to new players to buy the expensive version.
Win-win all the way.
BtW, I hear werewolves suck so much in ESO, that I'd be better off going down to the old age home and trying to get up a weekly group for Werewolf: the Apocalypse, because at least Garou know how to kick butt and survive.
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SG_Celerrimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread wasn't meant to be a complaining thread. My goal with making this thread was so that people could be constructive and post ways they think the wolfhound pet giving away should be handled if they are unhappy with the current situation with Steam. Please get back on track.0 -
Miflett✭✭✭Mescalamba wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »He's bit of perspective on "the wolfhound crisis". A plane being shot down over the Ukraine is a crisis, not getting virtual dog in a game is not a crisis.
I think its called 1st world problems. Again I thought, that mankind cant be THAT stupid, yet some people, as always proved me wrong. Faith in humanity lost..
Some people see this type of move as an effect of a bigger problem, or the way in which companies view their consumers. Ignoring all other problems no matter how big or small wouldn't really help much. I can't rightly get up off my ass here in america and change the fact that people died in an air attack.
That being said, I see your point.
Edited by Miflett on July 18, 2014 1:47AM0 -
Natjur✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am taking bets on a new dog (different colour to the steam linked one or they would be breaking the rules they have with steam) will be on sale from the ESO shop after the steam sale is over.
But again they can't say anything until the steam sale is over (or again they break the rules with steam)Edited by Natjur on July 18, 2014 1:48AM0 -
Istyar✭✭✭I think they should add another way for us, who have Imperial Edition (since the first day it was available, in my case) to get this Wolf pet. It's just disrespectful with the people who already have IE...Istyar ~ Sorcerer - Aldmeri Dominion - Savior of Nirn - Hero of Tamriel
Istyar, the old sorcerer from Summerset Isles, Master of the Old Ways of the Psjiic Order and Grand Master of the Illusion and Mysticism Divison of Aldmeri Dominion Army.
Check the UESP and learn more about TES universe: https://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page0 -
yiasemi✭✭✭✭I like my crab. I love that little scuttling buddy too. I have 3 rl cats and have owned 3 Jack Russel Terriers in my life, all passed on to the big rabbit hole in the sky now, chasing naughty postmen in elysium fields. Who cares about a hound? Good luck to those steam users who join my guild and give me more gold.
And anyone who doesn't feel sick to the stomach at 80 children blown out of the sky while going on holiday needs help. But it has nothing to do with this discussion.0 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I don't give a crap about African kids, either. I'd rather make sure that Canadian rental properties will always accept pets, rather than shooing out Canadians in favour of immigrants who hate dogs.
I want a Whiterun Wolfhound, even if it's a different colour, and I have to pay $50 for it.
So there, nyeah.
Pragmatism, a nice state of mind.
Edited by isengrimb16_ESO on July 18, 2014 2:05AM1 -
TRIP233✭✭✭SG_Celerrimus wrote: »
So, what can ZOS do to amend this situation so everyone walks away happy, or discontent is lessened down?
1, Remove the pet all together?
2. Put it on the cash shop immediately after the Steam deal ends?
3. Give it to long standing members of the community and or original Imperial Edition people?
4. Give a wolf and a dog to long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people?
5. Have the wolfhound be available elsewhere in the game right after the Steam deal ends?
6. Give long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people a wolf mount (direwolf?)?(Are there even wolves big enough in ES lore?)
Everyone likes Doggies. I want one. They should add a pet vendor in the game where anyone can get any of the pets but have to spend gold for them. (excluding the monkey; Beta testers only.) I would like that idea. At least that way anyone that wants one can have one. It'll give us a reason to spend gold too... Currently I have almost 400,000 gold and I don't have a reason to spend it.1 -
SG_Celerrimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭*rubs hands together* Alright, I got this!
Ok so, from scanning through this thread a few times as it was growing, I noticed some people mentioning that they would be ok with a cash shop. Now, I know that some people still really hate the cash shop idea, so here is another take at how this could be worked to be more level for everyone.
So, after the steam deal ends, either immediately or like a week afterwards, throw that bad boy up on the cash shop for a hefty price of $10, sweet!
Now, its up on the cash shop, but some people hate the cash shop, so what do we do????
Ok.... here we go.....
Whiterun, which is where this dog apparently comes from (WHITERUN Wolfhound), when looking at a map of Tamriel... Whiterun is in between the territories of the Daggerfall Covenant and the Ebonheart Pact. ZOS also said they are going to be expanding the available lands to visit in ESO (for example: Craglorn) and Whiterun is currently not a territory that can be gone to.
So, for the next major zone content patch, I suggest that ZOS adds Whiterun as an adventure zone type area (but not a 4-man required zone like Craglorn (don't gimme that stuff -_- )) and they add something new like Deadly World Bosses which require groups of at least 8-12 people to kill. Now, have one of these bosses be titled either "Wolf Mother" or "Hound Master" (or have it be a 2 boss world boss) and have it be located in a cave or something somewhere, or in a dwemer steam machine vault (see what I did there?) and have this boss have a small chance of dropping the Whiterun Wolfhound pet, which could be used and bound to the account, or sold for X amount of gold. Obviously, the account bound or selling ability could be determined by ZOS.
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭
I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.1 -
SG_Celerrimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭@MercyKilling please try to be constructive instead of posting big pictures that have some really annoying colors on them that don't contribute constructively to this conversation.1 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭SG_Celerrimus wrote: »@MercyKilling please try to be constructive instead of posting big pictures that have some really annoying colors on them that don't contribute constructively to this conversation.
Okay, it's a non-issue and everyone needs to
about it.
How's that?
I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.0 -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭SG_Celerrimus wrote: »So, as many of you are aware, there is a wolfhound in the game, but the only way to get it is to throw your money at the steam machine and buy a steam copy of ESO, and even then you might not be able to get the wolfhound on your current account since it would be the steam account, and steam accounts for ESO cost money, currently $48 with the sale, and $80 when the sale ends, and you would need to pay $15 a month to keep that account active, so buying an account through steam to get a wolfhound is rather illogical imo since, if you can reply to this post, you already paid money and are paying monthly to play ESO.
Now, a wolfhound is a pretty significant pet, judging how its the only dog available in game, its part wolf, and its pretty big (waist height to a breton male judging by the picture). So, obviously people who already bought the game and have been around for a while and perhaps even bought the original physical/digital imperial edition are going to want it because, like I said, its a pretty significant pet. Also, people who bought the original I.E. from stores or online are going to feel cheated out since people from Steam will be buying their I.E. and be getting more then them since Steam I.E. people are gettings all the benefits of the I.E. (Even the Mudcrab) as well as this new and excitingly awesome pet.
Also, quick side not to keep the above paragraph from getting to long, original Imperial Edition people might feel EXTREMELY cheated because not only are they getting more for their money through steam and original Imperial Edition people had to pay more, since the Steam I.E is on sale right now for $48, and people who ordered the Physical copy had to go through reserve fees and what not. (For example, I bought mine at Gamestop and paid over $100 for it, like $118 or something like that). I don't remember what the original price of the digital version was or if it has gone down, but just incase, after the sale it is going to be $80.
Now, also for the sake of covering more bases, some might say the physical I.E people got he book and statue and what not. Well, $80 vs $118, the physical edition people paid more, but back to the point (enough side tracking!)
Now, there seem to be a lot of argument threads and complaining (for lack of a better word) threads floating around about this. Ever since I heard the news, so maybe 2 hours before the typing of this thread, I have been trying to think of ways this could be changed to be viewed in a better light, since discontent seems rather high at the moment.
So, what can ZOS do to amend this situation so everyone walks away happy, or discontent is lessened down?
1, Remove the pet all together?
2. Put it on the cash shop immediately after the Steam deal ends?
3. Give it to long standing members of the community and or original Imperial Edition people?
4. Give a wolf and a dog to long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people?
5. Have the wolfhound be available elsewhere in the game right after the Steam deal ends?
6. Give long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people a wolf mount (direwolf?)?(Are there even wolves big enough in ES lore?)
Those are the ideas that I have managed to come up with that I think either make sense, or just came up with as I was typing them. Number 1 might not work since some people might already have it and its there, so it kinda has to be dealt with now. Number 2 might just cause more of a problem than anything because some people really hate the cash shop. Numbers 3, 4, and 6 might make newer members upset as well as Steam Imperial Edition people.
Either way you slice it, it is a multi-leveled situation with many different groups that people might fall under that might get upset, whether that be newer people, steam people, original imperial edition people, beta people, or even Steam itself. It seems the situation needs to be evenly distributed in some way so that everyone is on an equal playing field and people don't feel like they are being cheated by ZOS for X, Y, or Z (I really, REALLY, hate it when stuff like special offer pets and what not become available in situations like this after launch because it always is just a mess and usually ends with people feeling cheated/lied to.)
So, getting back to the list I posted above... 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 all would end up making some group of people angry.
Now, for number 5. Number 5, which states "Have the wolfhound be available elsewhere in the game right after the Steam deal ends?" can go a couple of ways. For one, it might make new players, original players, Imperial Edition players, and beta players feel as if they are on a level playing field since the pet is out there and able to be taken, and it helps the Steam I.E. people feel like they are on a level playing field because they already have it. Now, on the downside, they might feel that having it might make them feel less special and less likely to stand out since they paid money for potentially just that. So, to counter that, perhaps having the dog at the end of a hard to complete quest chain might be better since it makes non Steam I.E. groups of people feel like the accomplished something without having to necessarily spend money on it, and Steam I.E. people already have it, and perhaps feel special since they already have the reward of a non exp giving hard to complete quest.
Now, that seems a bit more logical, but some problems still remain. Some people might argue that exclusive pets should remain exclusive, like the monkey. And while, for the case of the monkey I can say that the beta was really easy to get into, if not even in open beta stage at the end (I honestly forgot), exclusive pets really kill off people from the community and cause all around problems. I also understand that sometimes exclusive deals are required for things like getting your product posted on Steam, but of all the things they could have picked, they picked a wolfhound.
All in all, this situation just makes my brain hurt. I had some more ideas that I forgot while typing other bits of this, if they come back great and I will post them here, but for now I need to go lay down. If you have any ideas/suggestions for ZOS on how this mess can be resolved, post them below, lets be constructive and helpful (I know, that can be very hard, especially if its for something you love and are passionate about (You want to fight for what you love, I get it)). If any of my ideas come back to me after I rest my brain, I will either edit this or just post them below.
P.S. - did I mention I really hate exclusive deals?
*Sardonic laugh here.
Although there are exceptionally good ideas to address this unfair issue in this thread, ZOS is not going to do J-S for now. Likely later there will be an opportunity to somehow obtain it for original supporters of TESoO--- in the CASH STORE of course.
Oooooh...I think I see several hundred thousand more subs on the horizon...heh. This is def a way to 'see' who the new subs are as opposed to the days-gone-by ones.
Edited by Anastasia on July 18, 2014 5:26AM0 -
Dekkameron wrote: »It can be resolved by not letting a dog pet make you a lunatic.
It looks like many of the people here may have already gone over the edge... for an animated dog... WHAT THE ???!!0