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So, how can this be fixed? (The Wolfhound Crisis) (VERY LONG)
SG_Celerrimus
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So, as many of you are aware, there is a wolfhound in the game, but the only way to get it is to throw your money at the steam machine and buy a steam copy of ESO, and even then you might not be able to get the wolfhound on your current account since it would be the steam account, and steam accounts for ESO cost money, currently $48 with the sale, and $80 when the sale ends, and you would need to pay $15 a month to keep that account active, so buying an account through steam to get a wolfhound is rather illogical imo since, if you can reply to this post, you already paid money and are paying monthly to play ESO.
Now, a wolfhound is a pretty significant pet, judging how its the only dog available in game, its part wolf, and its pretty big (waist height to a breton male judging by the picture). So, obviously people who already bought the game and have been around for a while and perhaps even bought the original physical/digital imperial edition are going to want it because, like I said, its a pretty significant pet. Also, people who bought the original I.E. from stores or online are going to feel cheated out since people from Steam will be buying their I.E. and be getting more then them since Steam I.E. people are gettings all the benefits of the I.E. (Even the Mudcrab) as well as this new and excitingly awesome pet.
Also, quick side not to keep the above paragraph from getting to long, original Imperial Edition people might feel EXTREMELY cheated because not only are they getting more for their money through steam and original Imperial Edition people had to pay more, since the Steam I.E is on sale right now for $48, and people who ordered the Physical copy had to go through reserve fees and what not. (For example, I bought mine at Gamestop and paid over $100 for it, like $118 or something like that). I don't remember what the original price of the digital version was or if it has gone down, but just incase, after the sale it is going to be $80.
Now, also for the sake of covering more bases, some might say the physical I.E people got he book and statue and what not. Well, $80 vs $118, the physical edition people paid more, but back to the point (enough side tracking!)
Now, there seem to be a lot of argument threads and complaining (for lack of a better word) threads floating around about this. Ever since I heard the news, so maybe 2 hours before the typing of this thread, I have been trying to think of ways this could be changed to be viewed in a better light, since discontent seems rather high at the moment.
So, what can ZOS do to amend this situation so everyone walks away happy, or discontent is lessened down?
1, Remove the pet all together?
2. Put it on the cash shop immediately after the Steam deal ends?
3. Give it to long standing members of the community and or original Imperial Edition people?
4. Give a wolf and a dog to long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people?
5. Have the wolfhound be available elsewhere in the game right after the Steam deal ends?
6. Give long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people a wolf mount (direwolf?)?(Are there even wolves big enough in ES lore?)
Those are the ideas that I have managed to come up with that I think either make sense, or just came up with as I was typing them. Number 1 might not work since some people might already have it and its there, so it kinda has to be dealt with now. Number 2 might just cause more of a problem than anything because some people really hate the cash shop. Numbers 3, 4, and 6 might make newer members upset as well as Steam Imperial Edition people.
Either way you slice it, it is a multi-leveled situation with many different groups that people might fall under that might get upset, whether that be newer people, steam people, original imperial edition people, beta people, or even Steam itself. It seems the situation needs to be evenly distributed in some way so that everyone is on an equal playing field and people don't feel like they are being cheated by ZOS for X, Y, or Z (I really, REALLY, hate it when stuff like special offer pets and what not become available in situations like this after launch because it always is just a mess and usually ends with people feeling cheated/lied to.)
So, getting back to the list I posted above... 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 all would end up making some group of people angry.
Now, for number 5. Number 5, which states "Have the wolfhound be available elsewhere in the game right after the Steam deal ends?" can go a couple of ways. For one, it might make new players, original players, Imperial Edition players, and beta players feel as if they are on a level playing field since the pet is out there and able to be taken, and it helps the Steam I.E. people feel like they are on a level playing field because they already have it. Now, on the downside, they might feel that having it might make them feel less special and less likely to stand out since they paid money for potentially just that. So, to counter that, perhaps having the dog at the end of a hard to complete quest chain might be better since it makes non Steam I.E. groups of people feel like the accomplished something without having to necessarily spend money on it, and Steam I.E. people already have it, and perhaps feel special since they already have the reward of a non exp giving hard to complete quest.
Now, that seems a bit more logical, but some problems still remain. Some people might argue that exclusive pets should remain exclusive, like the monkey. And while, for the case of the monkey I can say that the beta was really easy to get into, if not even in open beta stage at the end (I honestly forgot), exclusive pets really kill off people from the community and cause all around problems. I also understand that sometimes exclusive deals are required for things like getting your product posted on Steam, but of all the things they could have picked, they picked a wolfhound.
All in all, this situation just makes my brain hurt. I had some more ideas that I forgot while typing other bits of this, if they come back great and I will post them here, but for now I need to go lay down. If you have any ideas/suggestions for ZOS on how this mess can be resolved, post them below, lets be constructive and helpful (I know, that can be very hard, especially if its for something you love and are passionate about (You want to fight for what you love, I get it)). If any of my ideas come back to me after I rest my brain, I will either edit this or just post them below.
P.S. - did I mention I really hate exclusive deals?
Now, a wolfhound is a pretty significant pet, judging how its the only dog available in game, its part wolf, and its pretty big (waist height to a breton male judging by the picture). So, obviously people who already bought the game and have been around for a while and perhaps even bought the original physical/digital imperial edition are going to want it because, like I said, its a pretty significant pet. Also, people who bought the original I.E. from stores or online are going to feel cheated out since people from Steam will be buying their I.E. and be getting more then them since Steam I.E. people are gettings all the benefits of the I.E. (Even the Mudcrab) as well as this new and excitingly awesome pet.
Also, quick side not to keep the above paragraph from getting to long, original Imperial Edition people might feel EXTREMELY cheated because not only are they getting more for their money through steam and original Imperial Edition people had to pay more, since the Steam I.E is on sale right now for $48, and people who ordered the Physical copy had to go through reserve fees and what not. (For example, I bought mine at Gamestop and paid over $100 for it, like $118 or something like that). I don't remember what the original price of the digital version was or if it has gone down, but just incase, after the sale it is going to be $80.
Now, also for the sake of covering more bases, some might say the physical I.E people got he book and statue and what not. Well, $80 vs $118, the physical edition people paid more, but back to the point (enough side tracking!)
Now, there seem to be a lot of argument threads and complaining (for lack of a better word) threads floating around about this. Ever since I heard the news, so maybe 2 hours before the typing of this thread, I have been trying to think of ways this could be changed to be viewed in a better light, since discontent seems rather high at the moment.
So, what can ZOS do to amend this situation so everyone walks away happy, or discontent is lessened down?
1, Remove the pet all together?
2. Put it on the cash shop immediately after the Steam deal ends?
3. Give it to long standing members of the community and or original Imperial Edition people?
4. Give a wolf and a dog to long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people?
5. Have the wolfhound be available elsewhere in the game right after the Steam deal ends?
6. Give long standing members and or original Imperial Edition people a wolf mount (direwolf?)?(Are there even wolves big enough in ES lore?)
Those are the ideas that I have managed to come up with that I think either make sense, or just came up with as I was typing them. Number 1 might not work since some people might already have it and its there, so it kinda has to be dealt with now. Number 2 might just cause more of a problem than anything because some people really hate the cash shop. Numbers 3, 4, and 6 might make newer members upset as well as Steam Imperial Edition people.
Either way you slice it, it is a multi-leveled situation with many different groups that people might fall under that might get upset, whether that be newer people, steam people, original imperial edition people, beta people, or even Steam itself. It seems the situation needs to be evenly distributed in some way so that everyone is on an equal playing field and people don't feel like they are being cheated by ZOS for X, Y, or Z (I really, REALLY, hate it when stuff like special offer pets and what not become available in situations like this after launch because it always is just a mess and usually ends with people feeling cheated/lied to.)
So, getting back to the list I posted above... 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 all would end up making some group of people angry.
Now, for number 5. Number 5, which states "Have the wolfhound be available elsewhere in the game right after the Steam deal ends?" can go a couple of ways. For one, it might make new players, original players, Imperial Edition players, and beta players feel as if they are on a level playing field since the pet is out there and able to be taken, and it helps the Steam I.E. people feel like they are on a level playing field because they already have it. Now, on the downside, they might feel that having it might make them feel less special and less likely to stand out since they paid money for potentially just that. So, to counter that, perhaps having the dog at the end of a hard to complete quest chain might be better since it makes non Steam I.E. groups of people feel like the accomplished something without having to necessarily spend money on it, and Steam I.E. people already have it, and perhaps feel special since they already have the reward of a non exp giving hard to complete quest.
Now, that seems a bit more logical, but some problems still remain. Some people might argue that exclusive pets should remain exclusive, like the monkey. And while, for the case of the monkey I can say that the beta was really easy to get into, if not even in open beta stage at the end (I honestly forgot), exclusive pets really kill off people from the community and cause all around problems. I also understand that sometimes exclusive deals are required for things like getting your product posted on Steam, but of all the things they could have picked, they picked a wolfhound.
All in all, this situation just makes my brain hurt. I had some more ideas that I forgot while typing other bits of this, if they come back great and I will post them here, but for now I need to go lay down. If you have any ideas/suggestions for ZOS on how this mess can be resolved, post them below, lets be constructive and helpful (I know, that can be very hard, especially if its for something you love and are passionate about (You want to fight for what you love, I get it)). If any of my ideas come back to me after I rest my brain, I will either edit this or just post them below.
P.S. - did I mention I really hate exclusive deals?
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emeraldbay✭✭✭✭✭"The Wolfhound Crisis"
That title alone has granted you the internet.
On topic though. Honestly, I think it can be resolved by just adding it to the Imperial Edition. Make it so that everyone who has the IE will now get the pet as well. That should satisfy most people, since it's an Imperial perk to begin with.-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n — -
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✭A more logical solution is to shame people in game who have the dog with some sort catchy name like steamnub and maybe suggesting they "go back to wow".
No, that just causes all sorts of problems and is no where near logical. Cyberbullying, harassment, ruining of people's fun for a game they pay for. That is the last thing I would want to see happen, and could potentially get you banned for, like I said, harassment. -
Beesting✭✭✭✭I hate pets they stop me in banks and make me get of my horse.
So no, please dont have bloody dogs and wolves stand everywhere and block my way and trip me up please
I have the imperial edition since early release and think apart from the horse the rest you get with it is junk.
My opinion, no hard feelings.Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
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✭Puppygate could have been avoided by some mix of the following:- Put the same pet in the Bethesda store for a reasonable price
- Add a dog as an in-game achievement, and one most players could get (e.g., not topping the Trials leaderboard or becoming emperor)
- Add dogs and cats as quest rewards, perhaps replacing some of the shockingly bad itemization from which the game currently suffers
- Add pets as rare drops from elite overland mobs or solo delve bosses
It's an easy problem, with multiple solutions. But they all require foreseeing the utterly predictable results of bungling it as they have.
Most MMO developers cater to collectors and completionists, who are a significant part of the MMO demographic. It's a revenue stream. ZOS, however, is demonstrating how to turn that silk purse right back into a sow's ear.Snit AD Sorc
Ratbag AD Warden Tank
Goblins AD Stamblade
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✭Dog pets need to be made available for everyone. I dont care how...100k in game gold, $10 in the Bethesda store whatever. Ive been paying a sub every month since launch and dont have *** for real pet whatsoever. A mudcrab for pre ordering Imp Edition vs Steam wolfhound is a joke.Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
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jonpaul✭✭✭Puppygate could have been avoided by some mix of the following:- Put the same pet in the Bethesda store for a reasonable price
- Add a dog as an in-game achievement, and one most players could get (e.g., not topping the Trials leaderboard or becoming emperor)
- Add dogs and cats as quest rewards, perhaps replacing some of the shockingly bad itemization from which the game currently suffers
- Add pets as rare drops from elite overland mobs or solo delve bosses
It's an easy problem, with multiple solutions. But they all require foreseeing the utterly predictable results of bungling it as they have.
Most MMO developers cater to collectors and completionists, who are a significant part of the MMO demographic. It's a revenue stream. ZOS, however, is demonstrating how to turn that silk purse right back into a sow's ear.
I agree completely, and i want a dog too, but hear me out.
First, kudos to puppygate... that's fantastic
I would like to think that will every point you made could be implemented. I have no proof of course, call it a hunch maybe, but it would be smart from a business point of view to entice new players with this and then put the achievement in after the fact to make up ground for the current customers.
Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong... I'm just a guy bored at work, 15 more minutes and my week-end starts though!WAR EAGLE
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ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭I'd be satisfied if they stuck the dog (or a visually similar model) in the cash shop. I don't want it for free, I just want the opportunity to get it.╔═════════════⌈Alannah Corvaine⌋══════════════╗
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Ride, ride! To freedom, ride! Truth and glory to the brave!
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AngryWolf✭✭✭I mentioned in another thread that I'm trying to not get ticked off as there are more are pets coming. I think Zenimax should let us know what those are ASAP and how they can earned or purchased.
I'm trying really hard not to wonder why I paid a lot of money for Imperial Edition, got stuck with crabs and now, to try and re coup subs for those that lost they drop the price and offer better stuff, and IF I should keep paying. How...HOW did they not think this would not *** people off? Why snub their noses at those already here? Now every time we see this stupid dog in the game it will be like Zenimax giving us the finger.
Whatever...I guess it's just a damn pet...but they have angered the wolf now. Time to speak up Zenimax! What is coming up that will ease the pain of your recent move? Are we going to be able to buy a different dog? Can I finally get my wolf?
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BCBasher✭✭✭I bought the physical CE for reasons other than the ridiculous pets which sit in an alts inventory unused. Of all the animal models already in the game at release how did they come up with a crab and lizard which everyone knows have no souls as companion animals?
I want a pet cat for putting up with the weeks of problems the lighting upgrade caused and my patients to keep playing as it slowly got back to almost as good as before the "upgrade". -
someuser✭✭✭✭I hate pets they stop me in banks and make me get of my horse.
So no, please dont have bloody dogs and wolves stand everywhere and block my way and trip me up please
I have the imperial edition since early release and think apart from the horse the rest you get with it is junk.
My opinion, no hard feelings.
I agree, the Imperial Edition to me got me 4-day early access and a free horse. The other stuff was total junk... but it was my junk that I purchased for close to $100 bucks.
3 months later that's another $45 bucks... So when you put out some more junk to get new sub'ers (good! I support that), make sure everyone with an Imperial Edition gets it too. There is no good reason why we shouldn't. The VERY small amount of hardcore ES fans who are going to repurchase the game for the stupid dog does not outweigh the good will it would create for existing subscribers who have supported this game with (sometimes since April) with the Imperial Edition... and I think any beta tester should get it free too even if they don't have the IE.
Do I think that's going to happen.
LOL LOL LOL
Of course not :disagree:To make ESO look and feel like a PC MMO check out the following:
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✭✭I don't understand all that whine, its the same whine at WOW with pets there. Seriously guys, its a cosmetic pet - it doesn't do anything.
If you seriously get hurt by such a cosmetic goodie, it might be a wise idea to ask yourself if you might not take gaming a bit to serious. Look at our world, we are close to a big war and all people cry about is a few pixels in a video game - just disgusting. -
TeraAngelos✭✭✭Pre-orders? Zeni gave us crabs
This, along with Puppygate, has made me lol the most today
My personal preference for how to fix this: allow purchase with in-game gold. I don't like the idea of paying for ANYTHING with real money only (though in this case, I'd gladly pay a bit for a puppy dog!). I liked the system in GW2, where you could exchange between purchased gems and in-game gold. You could even buy an upgrade to their version of Imperial Edition with in-game gold (though it took a lot, obviously).
I'm with the OP in entirely disliking exclusive content. Any piece of exclusive content thrown in the game is going to upset somebody - being a completionist, I feel justified in being upset. Throw things in for free as a promotion, but give everybody else some means to get it. -
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Are there WoW pets that are unobtainable to veteran subscribers?I don't understand all that whine, its the same whine at WOW with pets there. Seriously guys, its a cosmetic pet - it doesn't do anything.
If you seriously get hurt by such a cosmetic goodie, it might be a wise idea to ask yourself if you might not take gaming a bit to serious. Look at our world, we are close to a big war and all people cry about is a few pixels in a video game - just disgusting. -
BCBasher✭✭✭I don't understand all that whine, its the same whine at WOW with pets there. Seriously guys, its a cosmetic pet - it doesn't do anything.
If you seriously get hurt by such a cosmetic goodie, it might be a wise idea to ask yourself if you might not take gaming a bit to serious. Look at our world, we are close to a big war and all people cry about is a few pixels in a video game - just disgusting.
And there's starving kids in Africa but I'm currently a little upset about having to settle for a minivan with one tv instead of two.
For allot of us video games are another world we escape to and actually can make changes in unlike the war and poverty filled one that evolves daily around us whether we participate or not. Sometimes in this "world" complaining gets what you want and that feels nice. -
ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »
Are there WoW pets that are unobtainable to veteran subscribers?I don't understand all that whine, its the same whine at WOW with pets there. Seriously guys, its a cosmetic pet - it doesn't do anything.
If you seriously get hurt by such a cosmetic goodie, it might be a wise idea to ask yourself if you might not take gaming a bit to serious. Look at our world, we are close to a big war and all people cry about is a few pixels in a video game - just disgusting.
There are a couple that are exclusive to Chinese players, but I don't think most people even know they exist.Edited by ebondeath on July 17, 2014 11:41PM╔═════════════⌈Alannah Corvaine⌋══════════════╗
Rise, rise! To freedom, rise! Arise, ye Breton sons and daughters.
Ride, ride! To freedom, ride! Truth and glory to the brave!
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Wolfhounds are not part wolf. They are unusual in having very little wolf in their make up. They kill wolves.
From the other thread:
The reason there are no wolves in Ireland is the Irish Wolfhound. I used to own a 175 lb cross. My cousin bred them, her big guy could take peanuts from the middle of the dinning room table without touching it, over 200 lbs that one.
They hunt by sight and will usually kill a wolf by running it down, grabbing it just behind the shoulders, and stopping as fast as they can. They kinda break them.
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Exarch✭✭✭I guess I'm not really getting it. I buy something in a store, three months later the store does a promotion where they give away a free toy to people who buy the thing, and the perspective is that everyone who bought the thing three months ago should also get a toy? That wouldn't be how I would expect buying stuff to work. -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I guess I'm not really getting it. I buy something in a store, three months later the store does a promotion where they give away a free toy to people who buy the thing, and the perspective is that everyone who bought the thing three months ago should also get a toy? That wouldn't be how I would expect buying stuff to work.
Go read the other tread, then maybe you will "get it"."Everything. They eat everything, and fear is their bacon bits" -
TeraAngelos✭✭✭I guess I'm not really getting it. I buy something in a store, three months later the store does a promotion where they give away a free toy to people who buy the thing, and the perspective is that everyone who bought the thing three months ago should also get a toy? That wouldn't be how I would expect buying stuff to work.
Not exactly. It's more like everybody who buys the thing three months later gets the free toy, and nobody else can even buy the toy. So people who have been paying money to the toy store for months are completely barred from buying the toy. Despite the fact that they asked repeatedly for the store to stock that particular toy in the first place.Edited by TeraAngelos on July 18, 2014 12:15AM -
Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭It can be resolved by not letting a dog pet make you a lunatic.- Veteran Combat Librarian - -
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✭I hope we get an official response towards this issue from ZOS soon. If it has already happened, someone please let me know.
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Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭SG_Celerrimus wrote: »I hope we get an official response towards this issue from ZOS soon. If it has already happened, someone please let me know.
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hk11✭✭✭✭SG_Celerrimus wrote: »I hope we get an official response towards this issue from ZOS soon. If it has already happened, someone please let me know.
There is a post from the green circle in one of the other threads about it here on the front page. It basically says it's a limited time thing for people buying via steam. -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »
Are there WoW pets that are unobtainable to veteran subscribers?I don't understand all that whine, its the same whine at WOW with pets there. Seriously guys, its a cosmetic pet - it doesn't do anything.
If you seriously get hurt by such a cosmetic goodie, it might be a wise idea to ask yourself if you might not take gaming a bit to serious. Look at our world, we are close to a big war and all people cry about is a few pixels in a video game - just disgusting.
They did have product tie-in and regional pets/mounts. Check your pet/mount tab for all the stuff that's still listed, but are unavailable now, particularly the bribes they offered the Chinese.
Still, we expected a bit better from Zenimax. Didn't we?
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✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »I guess I'm not really getting it. I buy something in a store, three months later the store does a promotion where they give away a free toy to people who buy the thing, and the perspective is that everyone who bought the thing three months ago should also get a toy? That wouldn't be how I would expect buying stuff to work.
Keep that logic out of these threads, you might catch something with all of the foaming at the mouth going on. Hope you got a tetanus booster in the last few months. A rabies shot may be needed too.
I was actually hoping we would see some logic in this thread specifically, so let there be LOGIC!