The DK Class Epidemic Crisis unfolding
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For many (likely the majority) PVP is an irrelevance, we're sick of the endless PVP QQ which is causing ZOS to nerf, nerf and nerf again to try to appease PVP whiners.audabon2013 wrote: »I love a good post thats full of inflammatory remarks and zero evidence.
so many words but no examples.
Dk might be strong, but you're waaaay over the top on this with nothing in your post to cite direct examples.
no proof? No one will take you seriously. Sadly, I read the whole thing. Should've known better.
Want evident or proof? LOL do you play the game? Go in pvp, and see.
Or you are a DK, and you just try to defend like the bash abusers did. Sad.
And no, I'm not a 'DK' I have 2xTempar, 1xSorc and 1xNB at VR levels, my DK is 21 and likely not going much further as I don't much like the class .. but then I'm not fixated on TEH BYG NUMBERZ when I hit things.
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✭monkeymystic wrote: »Everyone knows Templars are currently favored with blazing shield, blazing spear, and puncturing sweep, which ALL procs the 25% passive that deals 200-350+ damage added to the initial ability damage.
Nothing that the DK has comes even remotely close to this.
The sorcerer explosive familiar that is bugged and procs twice is the only thing that comes close.
Templars are critting 1000-1500 damage per target as AoE with blazing shield and the burning light passive proc. That is insane.
DKs are lucky to do only 1/4 of that damage.
Templars also currently have the hands down best survival in the game, especially with some + healing bonuses. Templar Self heals will _always_ heal for over 1k a pop.
This post is nothing but a non DK player's poor attempt to nerf an already overnerfed class even more.
Which Templar wooped your DK in Cyrodiil and you have made so many threads of the last few days that Templars are OP?
No mate they are not OP. The Blazing Shield will proc more than 150 damage, when it crits. And that hits for 300. Only against level 10 players, it will hit for 500 and you need to be a fool to stay near a Templar when it is cast.
Also at 3000 HP is only 840 strength, and is bugged, so until 1.3.0 it doesn't go up depending how many players hit you.
DK are OP and will remain there, until they get heavily nerfed. You cannot have a single player receive 18,000 damage, and still have 100% HP.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on July 17, 2014 7:07AM3 -
ForTheRealm✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Which Templar wooped your DK in Cyrodiil and you have made so many threads of the last few days that Templars are OP?
No mate they are not OP. The Blazing Shield will proc more than 150 damage, when it crits. And that hits for 300. Only against level 10 players, it will hit for 500 and you need to be a fool to stay near a Templar when it is cast.
Also at 3000 HP is only 840 strength, and is bugged, so until 1.3.0 it doesn't go up depending how many players hit you.
DK are OP and will remain there, until they get heavily nerfed. You cannot have a single player receive 18,000 damage, and still have 100% HP.
Templars are a very powerful class already, so I don't agree they are weak in Cyrodill.
See a guild duelling tournament and a skilled DK fighting against a skilled Templar (starts about 3:45):
...and the winner is Templar ;-)
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✭✭I love how OP wrote up a whole thread with fancy wording, instead of just saying what his point is: DKs are OP.2 -
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✭piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Which Templar wooped your DK in Cyrodiil and you have made so many threads of the last few days that Templars are OP?
No mate they are not OP. The Blazing Shield will proc more than 150 damage, when it crits. And that hits for 300. Only against level 10 players, it will hit for 500 and you need to be a fool to stay near a Templar when it is cast.
Also at 3000 HP is only 840 strength, and is bugged, so until 1.3.0 it doesn't go up depending how many players hit you.
DK are OP and will remain there, until they get heavily nerfed. You cannot have a single player receive 18,000 damage, and still have 100% HP.
Templars are a very powerful class already, so I don't agree they are weak in Cyrodill.
See a guild duelling tournament and a skilled DK fighting against a skilled Templar (starts about 3:45):
...and the winner is Templar ;-)
and how does he the dk die?
to vamp abilities... and a bugged warlock set.
ah and beside that the tournament was won by a sorc.Edited by Tankqull on July 17, 2014 7:54AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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ForTheRealm✭✭✭tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »
Templars are a very powerful class already, so I don't agree they are weak in Cyrodill.
See a guild duelling tournament and a skilled DK fighting against a skilled Templar (starts about 3:45):
...and the winner is Templar ;-)
and how does he the dk die?
to vamp abilities... and a bugged warlock set.
LOL. Is that everything what you get from the 5 minute fight?
The video shows that equally skilled DK and Temp give equal opportunity to win in a duel.
BTW. The Vamp abilities made also the Templar more susceptible (50% more damage) to all fire abilities used by DK3 -
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✭piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »
Templars are a very powerful class already, so I don't agree they are weak in Cyrodill.
See a guild duelling tournament and a skilled DK fighting against a skilled Templar (starts about 3:45):
...and the winner is Templar ;-)
and how does he the dk die?
to vamp abilities... and a bugged warlock set.
LOL. Is that everything what you get from the 5 minute fight?
The video shows that equally skilled DK and Temp give equal opportunity to win in a duel.
BTW. The Vamp abilities made also the Templar more susceptible (50% more damage) to all fire abilities used by DK
you´re sure he was at 4th stage? and beside that ~3k additional resists defnitly make up the vulnurability(jewlery+channeld focus).
beside that jeah a bunkering templar is hard to kill who expects sth else? its their bread and butter. especially when you can force your opponent to stay away when he has no range attacks slotted...
in short he was perfectly slotted to negate syphers playstyle.Edited by Tankqull on July 17, 2014 8:28AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭✭✭✭I've played all four classes up to vet and do have to say that the OP is right that DK's are the most powerful, but you seem to be seeing a different gap in power level than me. It's not as drastic as you say, though the power problem of stamina/magicka builds add to it when a DK goes light armor/staff.
PvP can be all over the place and your experience can vary from how good the other player against you is to just taking one extra arrow shot from another party during a fight. In PvE though, I laugh at how powerful the DK is compared to some of my experiences with other classes, only the Sorc had a comparably easy time and even he wasn't as powerful as my DK.
But balance is slowly getting better. It's not all doom and gloom. The changes they've made so far have been good and 1.3 patch looks even better.-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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skoomatrait✭✭✭another sorc-troll pathetic whining filled with lies and provocation.
threads like this should be immediately closed because it's burn out hate and rage among players
guys we should report this topic as unconstructive and unrespectable to others4 -
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✭piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »Templars are a very powerful class already, so I don't agree they are weak in Cyrodill.
See a guild duelling tournament and a skilled DK fighting against a skilled Templar (starts about 3:45):
...and the winner is Templar ;-)
I watch the tournament. The DK was trying to kill everyone by using 3 abilities.
Lash, Talons and shield charge.
It did show how pathetic his earlier encounters were, when everyone died in matter of seconds (please watch the whole video from the first round).
It did also show that the DK only needed those 3 abilities to go all way to the final.
However met a Templar, that while he was Vampire, threw at the DK his whole arsenal.
See the battle. The DK is trying foolishly to use the same 3 abilities to kill the Templar. The Templar used both his qbars and almost all the 10 abilities he had at his disposal.
The Blazing Shield did proc many times, doing pitiful damage. The only thing that saved the Templar was the Vampire ability of damage mitigation. Anyone else could be dead on the very first minute of the battle, when the DK dropped him to 5% HP.
So we cannot make a conclusion by one video because
a) The DK was pathetic and lost his nerve the moment that didn't kill the Templar on the first minute. Trying the same rotation and attack over and over again.
b) The Templar hold his nerve, saw the stupidity of the DK and was prepared every time for the same Shield Charge - Talons - Leash attack. And fought a pretty good fight, kudos to him and inspiration to the rest.
And something else. My "line" of Templars, who fought since 1.1.2 on the VR content, going through the lot of it pre- 1.2.4, took them hours and 4-5 respecs to make their class work. (with a lot of experimentation)
These Templars like myself, might be perceived OP now, however we just apply all the experience we gained against VR content. That experience cannot be gained in the grind spots at Craglorn nor in the forums.
And that knowledge applied it to my NB & DK alts, making the game boring. Because both are so "OP" to the point that my level 18 NB can kill 2 VR12 players at cyrodiil in 2 vs 1 without trouble. (My DK is even worst, can mop multiple enemies and is only level 30)
Something my VR12 Templar still cannot do.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on July 17, 2014 9:04AM3 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭skoomatrait wrote: »another sorc-troll pathetic whining filled with lies and provocation.
threads like this should be immediately closed because it's burn out hate and rage among players
guys we should report this topic as unconstructive and unrespectable to others
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✭skoomatrait wrote: »another sorc-troll pathetic whining filled with lies and provocation.
threads like this should be immediately closed because it's burn out hate and rage among players
guys we should report this topic as unconstructive and unrespectable to others
Haha hi monkeymystic
It really is him huh? LMFAO
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ForTheRealm✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »
I watch the tournament. The DK was trying to kill everyone by using 3 abilities.
Lash, Talons and shield charge.
It did show how pathetic his earlier encounters were, when everyone died in matter of seconds (please watch the whole video from the first round).
It did also show that the DK only needed those 3 abilities to go all way to the final.
However met a Templar, that while he was Vampire, threw at the DK his whole arsenal.
See the battle. The DK is trying foolishly to use the same 3 abilities to kill the Templar. The Templar used both his qbars and almost all the 10 abilities he had at his disposal.
The Blazing Shield did proc many times, doing pitiful damage. The only thing that saved the Templar was the Vampire ability of damage mitigation. Anyone else could be dead on the very first minute of the battle, when the DK dropped him to 5% HP.
So we cannot make a conclusion by one video because
a) The DK was pathetic and lost his nerve the moment that didn't kill the Templar on the first minute. Trying the same rotation and attack over and over again.
b) The Templar hold his nerve, saw the stupidity of the DK and was prepared every time for the same Shield Charge - Talons - Leash attack. And fought a pretty good fight, kudos to him and inspiration to the rest.
And something else. My "line" of Templars, who fought since 1.1.2 on the VR content, going through the lot of it pre- 1.2.4, took them hours and 4-5 respecs to make their class work. (with a lot of experimentation)
These Templars like myself, might be perceived OP now, however we just apply all the experience we gained against VR content. That experience cannot be gained in the grind spots at Craglorn nor in the forums.
And that knowledge applied it to my NB & DK alts, making the game boring. Because both are so "OP" to the point that my level 18 NB can kill 2 VR12 players at cyrodiil in 2 vs 1 without trouble. (My DK is even worst, can mop multiple enemies and is only level 30)
Something my VR12 Templar still cannot do.
I am not sure why do you try to insult Sypher (maybe he killed you too many times, or earlier in the tournament). As it is not true that he uses only 3 abilities in the fight. Maybe watch again and you will notice that the DK is using all 5 abilities from the 1st set and the 2 heals from the 2nd set.
Besides, if you think he is pathetic, show a proof, like a video with your DK, that you can do it better. I am really interested to see how your L30 DK "mops" multiple enemies in Cyrodill...Edited by ForTheRealm on July 17, 2014 11:52AM3 -
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✭piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »
I watch the tournament. The DK was trying to kill everyone by using 3 abilities.
Lash, Talons and shield charge.
It did show how pathetic his earlier encounters were, when everyone died in matter of seconds (please watch the whole video from the first round).
It did also show that the DK only needed those 3 abilities to go all way to the final.
However met a Templar, that while he was Vampire, threw at the DK his whole arsenal.
See the battle. The DK is trying foolishly to use the same 3 abilities to kill the Templar. The Templar used both his qbars and almost all the 10 abilities he had at his disposal.
The Blazing Shield did proc many times, doing pitiful damage. The only thing that saved the Templar was the Vampire ability of damage mitigation. Anyone else could be dead on the very first minute of the battle, when the DK dropped him to 5% HP.
So we cannot make a conclusion by one video because
a) The DK was pathetic and lost his nerve the moment that didn't kill the Templar on the first minute. Trying the same rotation and attack over and over again.
b) The Templar hold his nerve, saw the stupidity of the DK and was prepared every time for the same Shield Charge - Talons - Leash attack. And fought a pretty good fight, kudos to him and inspiration to the rest.
And something else. My "line" of Templars, who fought since 1.1.2 on the VR content, going through the lot of it pre- 1.2.4, took them hours and 4-5 respecs to make their class work. (with a lot of experimentation)
These Templars like myself, might be perceived OP now, however we just apply all the experience we gained against VR content. That experience cannot be gained in the grind spots at Craglorn nor in the forums.
And that knowledge applied it to my NB & DK alts, making the game boring. Because both are so "OP" to the point that my level 18 NB can kill 2 VR12 players at cyrodiil in 2 vs 1 without trouble. (My DK is even worst, can mop multiple enemies and is only level 30)
Something my VR12 Templar still cannot do.
I am not sure why do you try to insult Sypher (maybe he killed you too many times, or earlier in the tournament). As it is not true that he uses only 3 abilities in the fight. Maybe watch again and you will notice that the DK is using all 5 abilities from the 1st set and the 2 heals from the 2nd set.
Besides, if you think he is pathetic, show a proof, like a video with your DK, that you can do it better. I am really interested to see how your L30 DK "mops" multiple enemies in Cyrodill...
you should enhence your reading skills - his enemys were pathetic not sypher.
and he made some severe skillchoice failures against his last contrahent when retrospecting that fight does that make him a bad player not at all but with a different skill setup he would have won relativly easy.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"1 -
Gaëloup✭✭✭DKs have to be strongly nerfed. Proofs are not needed. Just go to Cyrodiil to figure it out...!!!1 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭As i DK i play medium armor Bow/ 2H STM build, and i get owned in pvp , i also have full legendary armor. I agree that some DK builds are crazy in terms of power. But then again i personaly have trouble with nightblades stun locking me from 100% to 0% , although rather then nerfing abilities , i am attempting to learn to play, and waiting for our other specs to balance out.
I suggest for us all to wait and in the meantime learn to play the cards we are dealt.
Improvise, adapt, overcome.
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ForTheRealm✭✭✭tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »
I watch the tournament. The DK was trying to kill everyone by using 3 abilities.
Lash, Talons and shield charge.
It did show how pathetic his earlier encounters were, when everyone died in matter of seconds (please watch the whole video from the first round).
It did also show that the DK only needed those 3 abilities to go all way to the final.
However met a Templar, that while he was Vampire, threw at the DK his whole arsenal.
See the battle. The DK is trying foolishly to use the same 3 abilities to kill the Templar. The Templar used both his qbars and almost all the 10 abilities he had at his disposal.
The Blazing Shield did proc many times, doing pitiful damage. The only thing that saved the Templar was the Vampire ability of damage mitigation. Anyone else could be dead on the very first minute of the battle, when the DK dropped him to 5% HP.
So we cannot make a conclusion by one video because
a) The DK was pathetic and lost his nerve the moment that didn't kill the Templar on the first minute. Trying the same rotation and attack over and over again.
b) The Templar hold his nerve, saw the stupidity of the DK and was prepared every time for the same Shield Charge - Talons - Leash attack. And fought a pretty good fight, kudos to him and inspiration to the rest.
And something else. My "line" of Templars, who fought since 1.1.2 on the VR content, going through the lot of it pre- 1.2.4, took them hours and 4-5 respecs to make their class work. (with a lot of experimentation)
These Templars like myself, might be perceived OP now, however we just apply all the experience we gained against VR content. That experience cannot be gained in the grind spots at Craglorn nor in the forums.
And that knowledge applied it to my NB & DK alts, making the game boring. Because both are so "OP" to the point that my level 18 NB can kill 2 VR12 players at cyrodiil in 2 vs 1 without trouble. (My DK is even worst, can mop multiple enemies and is only level 30)
Something my VR12 Templar still cannot do.
I am not sure why do you try to insult Sypher (maybe he killed you too many times, or earlier in the tournament). As it is not true that he uses only 3 abilities in the fight. Maybe watch again and you will notice that the DK is using all 5 abilities from the 1st set and the 2 heals from the 2nd set.
Besides, if you think he is pathetic, show a proof, like a video with your DK, that you can do it better. I am really interested to see how your L30 DK "mops" multiple enemies in Cyrodill...
you should enhence your reading skills - his enemys were pathetic not sypher.
and he made some severe skillchoice failures against his last contrahent when retrospecting that fight does that make him a bad player not at all but with a different skill setup he would have won relativly easy.
You should enhance your reading skills (and spelling).
It is obvious that " The DK was pathetic and lost his nerve the moment that didn't kill the Templar on the first minute. " and "The DK is trying foolishly to use the same 3 abilities to kill the Templar." are insulting and referring to Sypher and not his enemies.1 -
Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭Read through the post and I have to applaud your ability to use your great command in the language to write up a post that contains close to zero content. I'm sorry but I'm more afraid of NB and Templars in PVP.
I play NB, I know what a good NB can do, and a good Templar will never let you get off the ground.
^There, I did the same thing you did, just with fewer words.People keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
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thats true have to appologize here, but none the less what he said remains true while beeing a bit harsh worded.piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »You should enhance your reading skills (and spelling).
It is obvious that " The DK was pathetic and lost his nerve the moment that didn't kill the Templar on the first minute. " and "The DK is trying foolishly to use the same 3 abilities to kill the Templar." are insulting and referring to Sypher and not his enemies.
his tactic worked fine vs the first few scrubs started to struggle vs steevy boy and failed vs vencenzo who i guess changed his setup to face sypher.
so all of what he said atleast seems true as i cant see into syphers brain when facing vencenzo but he became more hectic while fighting him wich could be a sign of lost nerves and he definatly sticked to his setup (foolishly
as i assume he watched previous fights of vencenzo).
nonethe less take his words with a pinch of salt as it was a great fight between two awesome players with a bit more of luck on one side, a bitmore critluck and sypher would have won at 5:59... (and this whole discussion wouldnt happen :P)
spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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yes cos you have to kill them ofc. while there are more dk's they die less easy. Even tho they are the class that feels ok about standing right in the front line with scales making them unkillable untill you have about 10 folk using the few abilities that won't get pinged back at you.
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MonkeyAssassin24✭✭✭Read through the post and I have to applaud your ability to use your great command in the language to write up a post that contains close to zero content. I'm sorry but I'm more afraid of NB and Templars in PVP.
I play NB, I know what a good NB can do, and a good Templar will never let you get off the ground.
^There, I did the same thing you did, just with fewer words.
Exactly this. The OP made a thread as if he was writing a college essay about the Gaza Strip ("epidemic crisis") but forgot to include one example of any point he was trying to make other than "I see a lot of DK's in Cyrodiil, my god what is happening."
Maybe people like the fact that it has the word dragon in the name, sounds pretty badass, especially considering the 8000 Daenerys Targaryen name variations you find in this game. Maybe people read the description during creation and thought it sounded like the type of class they would enjoy the most. I have a lvl 28 DK alt, and honestly the only reason I created the character was because one day I saw another player use Dragon Leap as we engaged a quest boss and I thought it was coolest looking ability I had seen in the game.
So yeah you can take your jump to conclusions mat away and realize that maybe not every single player picks a class because they read forums to find the fotm.On second thought, let's not go to the forums. 'Tis a silly place.1 -
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✭piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »I am not sure why do you try to insult Sypher (maybe he killed you too many times, or earlier in the tournament). As it is not true that he uses only 3 abilities in the fight. Maybe watch again and you will notice that the DK is using all 5 abilities from the 1st set and the 2 heals from the 2nd set.
Besides, if you think he is pathetic, show a proof, like a video with your DK, that you can do it better. I am really interested to see how your L30 DK "mops" multiple enemies in Cyrodill...
I do play on EU and did not partake on tournament, if it was on the EU.
And I do not know who Sypher is. You assumed much to your post, meaning that you didn't understanding what I wrote.
And I bet, if I ever met Sypher we going to have an interesting fight.
You see, I have no issue with my Templar to kill the DKs out there. Because most of them, grind to VR12, using the same tactics they see in videos, and they die at the hands of a skilled Templar player.
However my point is that my NB & DK alts are even more powerful than my Templar. They kill VR12 DKs far easier than my Templar does, to the point that I find them boring and not challenging enough. FYI they are level 35 and 40 respectively, while my Templar is VR12.0 -
Brandoid✭✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »I play the "weakest" class in the game.... and i [snip] on DK's 1v1 in cyrodil with my Templar.
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How? I believe you to an extent.Edited by Brandoid on July 18, 2014 8:18AMBrandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0 -
Brandoid✭✭✭Edit: Nevermind.
Edit: OP is LOL worthy.Edited by Brandoid on July 18, 2014 8:26AMBrandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack0
