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The DK Class Epidemic Crisis unfolding
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭monkeymystic wrote: »ExiledKhallisi wrote: »I play the "weakest" class in the game.... and i s*** on DK's 1v1 in cyrodil with my Templar.
Exactly.
I think the poster just wants to see DKs nerfed even more, when dks already are overnerfed.
As a player with both templar and DK, I can hands down say that DKs needs more buffs that templars atm.
Templars can literally become OP unkillable machines with many different builds atm.
Templars got range spells as well, which dks dont.
you keep spouting this drama queen stuff all over the forum and nobody agrees with you , except the odd misguided fool who thinks that if you keep saying stuff like this its true.
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭While I took the time to read the OP, and feel he did a good job in writing it, I am left wondering if the DK is so powerful, what is it in their three class trees that do that?Edited by SFBryan18 on July 17, 2014 12:46AM0 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭While I took the time to read the OP, and feel he did a good job in writing it, I am left wondering if the DK is so powerful, what is it in their three class trees that do that?
i think the things that still make them the most powerfull by a large margin in pvp are
magma armour , banner, reflective scales (utterly overpowered) green dragon blood.
then its the way they can pop scales and block and fire off talons and stuff like that from behind block. not having to drop your block while still doing damage is a huge advantage in itself. and dk has some nice things they can do just that.
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Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DKs outnumber any other class and are growing in number every week.
Source please?
Unless you have access to ZOS' in-game telemetry, then do not respond.2 -
Syress17✭As i DK i play medium armor Bow/ 2H STM build, and i get owned in pvp , i also have full legendary armor. I agree that some DK builds are crazy in terms of power. But then again i personaly have trouble with nightblades stun locking me from 100% to 0% , although rather then nerfing abilities , i am attempting to learn to play, and waiting for our other specs to balance out.
I suggest for us all to wait and in the meantime learn to play the cards we are dealt.
Improvise, adapt, overcome.2 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Class imbalance adds to the problem, however saying a class is OK as you run around with light armour and a staff is misleading.
Edited by jelliedsoup on July 17, 2014 1:04AMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
lioslinn✭✭✭Did you use epidemic and crisis to describe a video game...reality.sys corrupted-reboot universe [y/n] _1 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
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Un fortunately dk is *** now. The left the ulti banner spammer spec alone and netfed dk utility and survivability. The people crying about dk in pvp are bad players. Dk in pve other then dress and stick are pretty on par with the rest of the classes . So in other words they suck tooAs i DK i play medium armor Bow/ 2H STM build, and i get owned in pvp , i also have full legendary armor. I agree that some DK builds are crazy in terms of power. But then again i personaly have trouble with nightblades stun locking me from 100% to 0% , although rather then nerfing abilities , i am attempting to learn to play, and waiting for our other specs to balance out.
I suggest for us all to wait and in the meantime learn to play the cards we are dealt.
Improvise, adapt, overcome.2 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭jelliedsoup wrote: »Class imbalance adds to the problem, however saying a class is OK as you run around with light armour and a staff is misleading.
Everyone wears light armor and staves . Because melee and the other armors are broken!1 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Class imbalance adds to the problem, however saying a class is OK as you run around with light armour and a staff is misleading.
Everyone wears light armor and staves . Because melee and the other armors are broken!
I don't. I'm one of those idiots who persist with a bow, DW high magicka/ stam builds. If you hug me I'm dead.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO41 -
Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have a member of each class. I have one character (minimum) in each alliance and I only PVP for Ebonheart.
I don't agree with you, OP.
I feel Sorcs and DK's are where every class should be.Edited by Soloeus on July 17, 2014 2:42AM
Within; Without.2 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »I play the "weakest" class in the game.... and i [snip] on DK's 1v1 in cyrodil with my Templar.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
depends on your specific build, maybe not be the same builds other templars play... they did say some builds are being looked at that are inadequate.0 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭Fshober28b14_ESO Said "So much so that people have been re-rolling in mass to DK's because of this."
Humm I play 6 characters, one and only one is a DK, one of my least played.
That has to be the longest WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA my character isn't the most uber character in the world rants I have read from any MMO player on all the MMO's I have played and that is saying something.
that was completely unconstructive and did not contribute anything of value to this topic.0 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭monkeymystic wrote: »Everyone knows Templars are currently favored with blazing shield, blazing spear, and puncturing sweep, which ALL procs the 25% passive that deals 200-350+ damage added to the initial ability damage.
Nothing that the DK has comes even remotely close to this.
The sorcerer explosive familiar that is bugged and procs twice is the only thing that comes close.
Templars are critting 1000-1500 damage per target as AoE with blazing shield and the burning light passive proc. That is insane.
DKs are lucky to do only 1/4 of that damage.
Templars also currently have the hands down best survival in the game, especially with some + healing bonuses. Templar Self heals will _always_ heal for over 1k a pop.
This post is nothing but a non DK player's poor attempt to nerf an already overnerfed class even more.
not all templars run your same exact build and not everyone is a mindless sheep desiring to run a cookie cutter build. you should have viability no matter what one chooses, thats what they sold the skill/class system as for this game.0 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »I 1 shot mobs with my NB! Nerf NB!
completely off topic.0 -
kkravaritieb17_ESO✭✭✭✭monkeymystic wrote: »Everyone knows Templars are currently favored with blazing shield, blazing spear, and puncturing sweep, which ALL procs the 25% passive that deals 200-350+ damage added to the initial ability damage.
Nothing that the DK has comes even remotely close to this.
The sorcerer explosive familiar that is bugged and procs twice is the only thing that comes close.
Templars are critting 1000-1500 damage per target as AoE with blazing shield and the burning light passive proc. That is insane.
DKs are lucky to do only 1/4 of that damage.
Templars also currently have the hands down best survival in the game, especially with some + healing bonuses. Templar Self heals will _always_ heal for over 1k a pop.
This post is nothing but a non DK player's poor attempt to nerf an already overnerfed class even more.
^Agreed.Member of the glorious Zerg Squad
Rip Banana Squad
Lheneth -- Sorc PvP Rank 31
Ellynna -- Templar PvP Rank 50 (No Bleaker's roleplaying involved)
Smellynna -- Templar PvP Rank 28
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Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭If you want to talk about an "epidemic crisis" there is currently an Ebola outbreak that is the worst the world has seen. Look up the 2014 Ebola outbreak in Guinea (West Africa).
It would be far more constructive if you were to say this [specific] DK skill needs to be adjusted to balance it because of [reason/impact]. Just generalizing and using hyperbolic statements isn't gonna get you very far. It's a game and is slowly being balanced.... not death by bleeding out your eyes, rectum and other orifices.
Suggestion: Reword your title so that it's not so insensitive when people are dying in a real world "epidemic crisis" currently occurring.audabon2013 wrote: »audabon2013 wrote: »I love a good post thats full of inflammatory remarks and zero evidence.
so many words but no examples.
Dk might be strong, but you're waaaay over the top on this with nothing in your post to cite direct examples.
no proof? No one will take you seriously. Sadly, I read the whole thing. Should've known better.
Want evident or proof? LOL do you play the game? Go in pvp, and see.
Or you are a DK, and you just try to defend like the bash abusers did. Sad.
Feel free to check my posts. I don't play dk, but I will argue against overnerfing t hem. Especially when people provide no proof. Which you also lack in your post.
the burden of proof is on you, accusers! Lol. DK innocent until proven guilty.
edit: case dismissed. Ha
never said to nerf, nor asked for it, nor implied any such thing, don't know where you got that from...stay on topic.0 -
BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭It is definitely a DKs world in Cyrodiil.
I don't bother to go in there much as it is just one big game of Standards of Death.1 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭While I took the time to read the OP, and feel he did a good job in writing it, I am left wondering if the DK is so powerful, what is it in their three class trees that do that?
You know, so many here are trolling and being derogatory and non-constructive and just completely off topic and being deliberately misleading and using deflecting tactics. Nobody has to believe anything I wrote here or anyone else that has posted similar on this topic about DK's, in fact go ahead and dismiss it all as rubbish....but just go into ANY Cyrodiil campaign and see for yourself. Preferably go into WABBAJACK or DAWNBREAKER.
No matter what you think or believeve, you cannot refute the fact that DK's are being rolled at an enormous rate and it's visible in any campaign and can be atested to by people leveling in zones. If DK's werent the over all more viable and most effective over all in PvP then we would not have a massive glutt of them in PvP and more on the way leveling as I write this.0 -
MonkeyAssassin24✭✭✭Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »If you want to talk about an "epidemic crisis" there is currently an Ebola outbreak that is the worst the world has seen. Look up the 2014 Ebola outbreak in Guinea (West Africa).
It would be far more constructive if you were to say this [specific] DK skill needs to be adjusted to balance it because of [reason/impact]. Just generalizing and using hyperbolic statements isn't gonna get you very far. It's a game and is slowly being balanced.... not death by bleeding out your eyes, rectum and other orifices.
Suggestion: Reword your title so that it's not so insensitive when people are dying in a real world "epidemic crisis" currently occurring.audabon2013 wrote: »audabon2013 wrote: »I love a good post thats full of inflammatory remarks and zero evidence.
so many words but no examples.
Dk might be strong, but you're waaaay over the top on this with nothing in your post to cite direct examples.
no proof? No one will take you seriously. Sadly, I read the whole thing. Should've known better.
Want evident or proof? LOL do you play the game? Go in pvp, and see.
Or you are a DK, and you just try to defend like the bash abusers did. Sad.
Feel free to check my posts. I don't play dk, but I will argue against overnerfing t hem. Especially when people provide no proof. Which you also lack in your post.
the burden of proof is on you, accusers! Lol. DK innocent until proven guilty.
edit: case dismissed. Ha
never said to nerf, nor asked for it, nor implied any such thing, don't know where you got that from...stay on topic.
Dude what do you want from people? Every time somebody posts a response you dismiss it as "off-topic" or "not constructive". Well guess what, your entire post is not constructive. You write out this long op-ed claiming that DK's are the best all around class without explaining anything at all to show why you feel this way (skills, synergies, passives) and merely say "search the forums" to answer anyone that asks for this. Well I can probably find just as many posts about how Sorcs are the best class and everyone is rerolling to be one.
It looks like you are merely hoping for people to agree with you without question and anyone who rolls their eyes at yet ANOTHER thread pushing to sway opinion to nerf *insert class here* are either trolls or they're wrong. You opened up the floodgates when you claimed your opinion was an "epidemic crisis"...really?
Oh and nice job throwing in Dragon Knights Online as well. Wait though, wasn't it like 3 days ago that this game was called Elder Staffs Online? Cool, I can't wait until they change up bow mechanics then someone can come up with a fresh new twist to this never stale usage of the games name.On second thought, let's not go to the forums. 'Tis a silly place.2 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »While I took the time to read the OP, and feel he did a good job in writing it, I am left wondering if the DK is so powerful, what is it in their three class trees that do that?
You know, so many here are trolling and being derogatory and non-constructive and just completely off topic and being deliberately misleading and using deflecting tactics. Nobody has to believe anything I wrote here or anyone else that has posted similar on this topic about DK's, in fact go ahead and dismiss it all as rubbish....but just go into ANY Cyrodiil campaign and see for yourself. Preferably go into WABBAJACK or DAWNBREAKER.
No matter what you think or believeve, you cannot refute the fact that DK's are being rolled at an enormous rate and it's visible in any campaign and can be atested to by people leveling in zones. If DK's werent the over all more viable and most effective over all in PvP then we would not have a massive glutt of them in PvP and more on the way leveling as I write this.
Perhaps people just like that style the most. I mean, a sword and shield knight is a pretty standard icon. My question was, if they are simply the best, what is it that makes them the best? Explaining why they are the strongest is important because it proves the choice is because of difficulty and not just popularity. I'm not calling you a liar, but you say to look at other threads, and you haven't provided any links to them.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 17, 2014 5:22AM0 -
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✭monkeymystic wrote: »Everyone knows Templars are currently favored with blazing shield, blazing spear, and puncturing sweep, which ALL procs the 25% passive that deals 200-350+ damage added to the initial ability damage.
Nothing that the DK has comes even remotely close to this.
The sorcerer explosive familiar that is bugged and procs twice is the only thing that comes close.
Templars are critting 1000-1500 damage per target as AoE with blazing shield and the burning light passive proc. That is insane.
DKs are lucky to do only 1/4 of that damage.
Templars also currently have the hands down best survival in the game, especially with some + healing bonuses. Templar Self heals will _always_ heal for over 1k a pop.
This post is nothing but a non DK player's poor attempt to nerf an already overnerfed class even more.
^^ This guy will whine about DK nerfs ALL DAY...and then push for a Templar nerf. Pay no attention to him. Check his posts for further ridiculousness.2 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭only thing I really want "nerfed" (if you really call it that) is reflective scales. I just want it changed to where it only deflects magical attacks. trying to kill a DK that uses reflective scales with an archer is a nightmare:/ the sword and board ones are the only type, in my opinion, that are really tough to crack. Some of those may take 15+ people(notice I said SOME) but they have to spam reflective scales and that dragon blood ability, and toss down the banner and do all that stuff to be able to take on a whole group solo. the LA staff ones are only bad if you get caught in their pulsar/impulse trains.Edited by Cody on July 17, 2014 5:31AM0 -
kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭I read between the lines, and what I read was this.
I'm seeing more crappy players e-roll DK's as they are the most forgiving of all the classes to play, if you don't have skill and synergy with your build and gear used then DK is what you should use because it's the easiest.
Seriously, that's what I see and yes, I did read your entire post.
I know a few Templars that love eating DK's fro breakfast in PvP, damn good at it too. I'm an NB and If I get in some ranged attacks into the unsuspecting victim, then the DK dies. If I throw in a good stun and knockdown, then BAM the DK is pushing up daises. I'm far from being what I'd call a decent player, but that's my experience in PvP, and yes I did re-roll a DK just to see what all the fuss is about, maybe I'm a part of the epidemic? Wait, that can't be the case because I much prefer the play style of my NB and It's what I play the most out of my alts.
What I have found when fighting in solo's is it's not about the class, it's about the skill level of the player, the synergy of the build and how well the player can make his/her toon work for them. 1v1 teaches you this in spades, and I've been owned equally to sorcs, templars and DK's alike when 1v1'ing. If anything it's NB's that I find easiest to kill, and that's not because they are weak oddly enough, it's because I know the class the best. THIS is where I think you need to start looking at things.
Rather than point the nerf gun at a class, perhaps looking in the mirror first should be your first knee jerk reaction as to why you are not winning.
On this forum I've read posts about Sorcs being OP, DK's being OP, NB's with stealth being OP and more recently and the new flavor of the month, Templars ebing OP. Honestly, it's all rubbish.
In PvP how OP a player is can be based on what passives they have. You can be in a campaign that you won everything and then guest elsewhere and you'll be OP. You might have spent time unlocking the undaunted skill trees or other tree's and with those you can deal some serious damage.
I don't want to rain on your parade, but saying DK's are OP and their is a class epidemic is just crazy talk. I spend plenty of time in Cyrodiil and why is it when I get the kill 20 sorcs quest I've got it done in as many minutes. Surely if everyone is re-rolling a DK no one would be playing a Sorc if it truly was an epidemic like you are suggesting.
Edit: including this little gem below:
And then there is this thread about DK's: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/120284/ok-sorcs-enough#latest
Edited by kijima on July 17, 2014 6:07AMBeen here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...2 -
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Dragons Blood. Endless HP.audabon2013 wrote: »I love a good post thats full of inflammatory remarks and zero evidence.
so many words but no examples.
Dk might be strong, but you're waaaay over the top on this with nothing in your post to cite direct examples.
no proof? No one will take you seriously. Sadly, I read the whole thing. Should've known better.
Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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Kos✭✭✭I might be off on this one but don't you think majority of new players and some of the current players would choose to play DK after seeing all posts about DKs being op? Even if this was not the case anymore, it's the best advertisement for the class. It might seem like posts are negative, but in fact they make someone new to the game believe DK class choice will give them an edge. So in fact people publicly complaining about DKs are causing more of them to appear.1
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and no one ever mentioned imba jewelry glyphs for spellres and armor which makes light armor so damn powerful with spell pen, what about if spell pen and those glyphs were removed0
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭OP got pwnt by a dk so he is here complaining in the forums?
I see more sorcs than dks. Dks are more in-your-face though so they might be more noticable to certain players/classes.0