Ok Sorcs Enough

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · July 2014

aksyong wrote: »

If you can get killed by 5 CF in a row, without any other filler damage in between it only shows how bad you are.

Honestly if someone can sustain FIVE shards then he must have insane HP pool and insane magic resistance. At vet6 I take 800-1000 in full light armor (spell ressist soft capped) so I usualy die in two hits. Or easier combination is shard + that first lighing spell. Mage fury is it? I am talking about vet12 attacking me as current state of Cyrodiil is simply vet12 on every corner.

As for bolt escape I love streak. I am leveling up two handed weapons so I use lighting form, charge to zerg and streak through them. Doing some dmg to them, stunning them and giving a chance to our team to kill them. I don't do much damage, but streak in huge group is prerty annoying for them so they actualy die... Ane I am awarded kills for quest. I HATE aoe spells, but what can you do when ESO team decided that it is the ONLY valid tactic "facepalm"

I do not see sorc as OP class it only offers a lot of different approaches. Yet I like NB much more. Even for solo PvP NB is better choice than sorc.

aksyong · July 2014

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

aksyong wrote: »

If you can get killed by 5 CF in a row, without any other filler damage in between it only shows how bad you are.

Honestly if someone can sustain FIVE shards then he must have insane HP pool and insane magic resistance. At vet6 I take 800-1000 in full light armor (spell ressist soft capped) so I usualy die in two hits. Or easier combination is shard + that first lighing spell. Mage fury is it? I am talking about vet12 attacking me as current state of Cyrodiil is simply vet12 on every corner.

As for bolt escape I love streak. I am leveling up two handed weapons so I use lighting form, charge to zerg and streak through them. Doing some dmg to them, stunning them and giving a chance to our team to kill them. I don't do much damage, but streak in huge group is prerty annoying for them so they actualy die... Ane I am awarded kills for quest. I HATE aoe spells, but what can you do when ESO team decided that it is the ONLY valid tactic "facepalm"

I do not see sorc as OP class it only offers a lot of different approaches. Yet I like NB much more. Even for solo PvP NB is better choice than sorc.

Quite the contrary, Sorc is better in solo.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · July 2014

Maybe for you. I like NB way more for solo PvP than sorc.

Junipus · July 2014

Roll a templar, they have one useful skill that's a bane to sorcs. Quite often kill them without me using any of my own attacks.

Shaggygaming · July 2014

Sorcs are not all that great. Bolt Escape is useless as an escape spell. What are you going to do against every DK that has 24/7 reflect up? What are you going to do against NB's that 2-3 shot everything from stunlock? Templars, eh... They're killable you just have to time your burst right.

NB & DK > Templar > Sorc

aksyong · July 2014

Templar > Sorc > DK > NB

Koensol · July 2014

I love it when sorc keep spammong their Crystal fragments. SnB absorb magic + unstable core + interrupt ftw.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · July 2014

Crystal fragment is great spell when fired at target that is not aware of it. If you fire it at target that knows about it, it is only waste of time and magicka.

Brizz · July 2014

I play a nightblade as well and there are clear counters to both abilities -

Crystal shards::::
Keybind your roll dodge to a mouse button and practice using it. When you see them charging it up, or they have glowing blue fists, DODGE! because it's coming

Volitile Familiar::::
If you see a sorc trying to get close to you then you can count that they are going to abuse this. Vanish or roll away from them and swap to a ranged weapon and kite (If you don't have at least one bar for ranged attacks then your doing it wrong)

Jaxom · July 2014

This one time, I was killed by a skill. I didn't like it. Please nerf.

Rallick71 · July 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

The crystal shards one yes, though it can be from one if they get the freebee proc it can be just one. the Volitile Familar damage explosions, in most cases there was no familar anywhere near the sorc. I dunno if they cast them out before death or something but I do not see it. Ever.

Just so everyone is also clear. You can NOT get an INSTANT Crystal Shards proc by casting Crystal Shards! It ONLY procs from casting other spells besides itself. Do not believe the description.

eliisra · July 2014

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Roll a templar, they have one useful skill that's a bane to sorcs. Quite often kill them without me using any of my own attacks.

Yeah, Sorcerers aren't that strong 1v1. NB is also the only class they can kill fairly easy, if they get the jump. But both Templar and DK eat Sorcerers for dinner.

I can probably tank a Sorcerer indefinitely on my Templar, if I for some weird reasons decided to play with it. Fragments never do more than 400-500 dmg, with my 5-6 impen traits. They can't crit on me, so they cant even self heal. I cast reflect on them, they nuke themselves and die. I use Harness Magicka to half the dmg of their spells. So many counters against a pure caster.

I have a lot more problems with NB's jumping me. Can't break their initial cc's, than I'm dead in a split second.

OtarTheMad · July 2014

If they nerf Crystal Fragments/Shards just because some players don't know how to dodge roll or block I am probably done playing my Sorcerer. You guys got Bolt Escape nerfed and now it's not realistic to use that, everyone started rolling with light armor/staffs so they changed the sets so only one gets spell crit, and nerfed the Storm Atronach ultimate to make it more useless and now you want this one nerfed too? How about we just roll one generic class with 5 crappy skills, no ultimates and everyone can be the same friggin class... I mean come on. Quit crying about it and getting all kinds of classes nerfed into the ground.

I don't mean to sound so harsh but hearing others complain about Crystal Frag and just Sorcs in general just drives me nuts. Don't worry.... they'll nerf this too probably and then both DK and Sorc will be nerfed into classes not many play anymore *golf clap* congrats.

Asgari · July 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Seems all the DKs re-rolled to make Sorcs because this is all I am getting on the battlefield lately.

Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments

Hit 4-5 times from 2-3 different sorcs, knocked down continuously with no way to get up or defend yourself. Then there is this one that I have seen other posts about:

Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar

Yes explosions from familars that are not even summoned. I do melee NB and this only seems to happen to me when I get in there face, pop an Aoe like Bat Swarm then POOF im dead? I killed templars, other NB and DK's no problem, ever sorc i encounter seemed to have the above effects and dead. Am I missing something or the only one that has noticed these patterns?

Please nerf life, sorcs op nerf now!

shanersimms_ESO · July 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Seems all the DKs re-rolled to make Sorcs because this is all I am getting on the battlefield lately.

Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments

Hit 4-5 times from 2-3 different sorcs, knocked down continuously with no way to get up or defend yourself. Then there is this one that I have seen other posts about:

Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar

Yes explosions from familars that are not even summoned. I do melee NB and this only seems to happen to me when I get in there face, pop an Aoe like Bat Swarm then POOF im dead? I killed templars, other NB and DK's no problem, ever sorc i encounter seemed to have the above effects and dead. Am I missing something or the only one that has noticed these patterns?

Holy crap this is absurd... Reflective scales much? Immovable much? CC Break much? Charge the Sorc much?

Try to 1v1 a sword and board DK as a Sorc... now THAT'S a problem. OP doesn't have a firm grasp on the game's mechanics yet. (no offense intended)

maxilaub17_ESO · July 2014

Bramir wrote: »

Your problem seems to be that you are getting hit by four people at once and expecting to survive without help...

His problem is people exploiting the mechanics where one familar can explode up to 4 times and frags can knockdown and you get stuck on the ground. Stop pretending you don't know about these bugs hoping they get overlooked and you can keep exploiting them.

FYI the devs already said they know about, and are fixing the Familar bug in the the next patch. So they just need to identify and fix the frags bug.

Halrloprillalar · July 2014

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Your problem seems to be that you are getting hit by four people at once and expecting to survive without help...

His problem is people exploiting the mechanics where one familar can explode up to 4 times and frags can knockdown and you get stuck on the ground. Stop pretending you don't know about these bugs hoping they get overlooked and you can keep exploiting them.

FYI the devs already said they know about, and are fixing the Familar bug in the the next patch. So they just need to identify and fix the frags bug.

lol because frags is the only perma-cc in the game, amirite?

icengr_ESO · July 2014

nerf them all ... let god sort them out!

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

AlexDrago wrote: »

I don't understand. Month ago there was dozens of "nerf BE"-threads. Because Sorc's run away cause Sorc don't want to fight and etc.
BE was nerfed to Oblivion, so right now it's a useless skill which spent your mana and leads you to death. Sorc's start to fight and learn some tactics.
And you don't like it again. May be you just don't like sorc's or just want them to be free kills?
But don't worry, i thibk, that CF soon be nerfed, after Atronach nerf, and most of Sorc's leaving TESO, so you can play a game without sorc's.

Many sorcs still use BE on the battlefield. It happens all of the time and they still get away.

The familiar issue was a confirmed issue un-benknonst to my knowledge and getting fixed.

And Sorcs are the one class that has nto recieved many MAJOR tweeks to there class. Even in the road ahead it was specifically said they are reviewing the DK Nerfs, Templars, and Nightblades. No mention of Sorcs which leads me to believe they are working the closest as to intended. But the knockdown mechanic of the fragments and probably any other knockdown ability that can be cast over an dover is an issue. Pera knockdown if you are unable to dodge is not good.

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

Kiljaz wrote: »

Can't do anything eh? Try CC break + blocking.

CC break for me doesn't seem to help with knockdowns. I still lay on the ground as im clicking heavily to try ans get up.

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Seems all the DKs re-rolled to make Sorcs because this is all I am getting on the battlefield lately.

Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments

Hit 4-5 times from 2-3 different sorcs, knocked down continuously with no way to get up or defend yourself. Then there is this one that I have seen other posts about:

Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar

Yes explosions from familars that are not even summoned. I do melee NB and this only seems to happen to me when I get in there face, pop an Aoe like Bat Swarm then POOF im dead? I killed templars, other NB and DK's no problem, ever sorc i encounter seemed to have the above effects and dead. Am I missing something or the only one that has noticed these patterns?

This is called 'SKILL' man. I know, tough to recognize but now you know.

Hmm some skill, press button, wait cast time, get proc, press button, maybe move left or right slowly as i cast another one, press button.

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

apostate9 wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Seems all the DKs re-rolled to make Sorcs because this is all I am getting on the battlefield lately.

Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments
Crystal Fragments

Hit 4-5 times from 2-3 different sorcs, knocked down continuously with no way to get up or defend yourself. Then there is this one that I have seen other posts about:

Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar
Volitile Familar

Yes explosions from familars that are not even summoned. I do melee NB and this only seems to happen to me when I get in there face, pop an Aoe like Bat Swarm then POOF im dead? I killed templars, other NB and DK's no problem, ever sorc i encounter seemed to have the above effects and dead. Am I missing something or the only one that has noticed these patterns?

Wow! You actually found a way to cry about DKs in a qq thread about sorcs! You get the award for the most tears shed in one pointless post.
Bravo!!

Your welcome! Glad i made your day!

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

kijima wrote: »

Before anyone suggest to nerf anything, have a look at yourself in the mirror. Look at YOUR playstyle, YOUR build, YOUR synergies.

I know we live in a society of people today that doesn't want to take ownership of their own problems and inefficiencies, but man up for crying out loud.

Or put it another way, the dude in the dress with the whirling twirling purple hands is about to send some pain your way, block or dodge that stuff. It's not that hard, really... it's not.

Of course i look at myself. I know my play style and what I like to do. When you block the first or second or even third fragment coming in eventually you have no stamina left. You try to counter again yet you finally get knocked down, try and pop a potion to save yourself but by then your already dead. I wouldn't make a post like this if I wasn't trying everything I knew to avoid said maneuver and ask the community for other suggestions other than the obvious, CC break, dodge roll etc. So ill weed through the troll comments and find the ones that have some meaning to give me some idea's, and there are a a few god ones, and a lot of idiotic tolling bad ones.

But trollish comments make me laugh while im bored at work so keep them coming.

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

aksyong wrote: »

If you can get killed by 5 CF in a row, without any other filler damage in between it only shows how bad you are.

Honestly if someone can sustain FIVE shards then he must have insane HP pool and insane magic resistance. At vet6 I take 800-1000 in full light armor (spell ressist soft capped) so I usualy die in two hits. Or easier combination is shard + that first lighing spell. Mage fury is it? I am talking about vet12 attacking me as current state of Cyrodiil is simply vet12 on every corner.

As for bolt escape I love streak. I am leveling up two handed weapons so I use lighting form, charge to zerg and streak through them. Doing some dmg to them, stunning them and giving a chance to our team to kill them. I don't do much damage, but streak in huge group is prerty annoying for them so they actualy die... Ane I am awarded kills for quest. I HATE aoe spells, but what can you do when ESO team decided that it is the ONLY valid tactic "facepalm"

I do not see sorc as OP class it only offers a lot of different approaches. Yet I like NB much more. Even for solo PvP NB is better choice than sorc.

Voice of reason. Good job.

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

Funny too how everyone is implying im calling for a nerf. There is no mention of that in my original post at all. Simple post to see if anyone felt the same as I did, see if it is a trend, and perchance learn how others are protecting themselves from said abilities. At least 25% of the posts have some honest insights and I thank you for those.

Mojomonkeyman · July 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Before anyone suggest to nerf anything, have a look at yourself in the mirror. Look at YOUR playstyle, YOUR build, YOUR synergies.

I know we live in a society of people today that doesn't want to take ownership of their own problems and inefficiencies, but man up for crying out loud.

Or put it another way, the dude in the dress with the whirling twirling purple hands is about to send some pain your way, block or dodge that stuff. It's not that hard, really... it's not.

Of course i look at myself. I know my play style and what I like to do. When you block the first or second or even third fragment coming in eventually you have no stamina left. You try to counter again yet you finally get knocked down, try and pop a potion to save yourself but by then your already dead. I wouldn't make a post like this if I wasn't trying everything I knew to avoid said maneuver and ask the community for other suggestions other than the obvious, CC break, dodge roll etc. So ill weed through the troll comments and find the ones that have some meaning to give me some idea's, and there are a a few god ones, and a lot of idiotic tolling bad ones.

But trollish comments make me laugh while im bored at work so keep them coming.

So, you are letting a sorc channel 3 fragments on you and all you do is blocking while waiting for him to not cast fragments anymore? Please stay in PvE. I was told they just changed difficulty in vet areas to suit your level of play.

I come to serve. You asked for it.

IKilled007 · July 2014

With animation canceling, a sorc can hit you 4 times in less than 2 seconds with Crystal Frags and the big boom at the end. If a good sorc gets the jump on you, you're done.

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

IKilled007 wrote: »

With animation canceling, a sorc can hit you 4 times in less than 2 seconds with Crystal Frags and the big boom at the end. If a good sorc gets the jump on you, you're done.

And this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Even if you get a chance to block, the amount of damage is staggering at times. If im with my zerg fighting another zerg, my eyes may cant travel 306 degrees. I may have my target, not realizing a sorc has me targeted and out of my field of view, then boom, I'm hit down and out with NO chance of survival because of what was said exactly here.

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Before anyone suggest to nerf anything, have a look at yourself in the mirror. Look at YOUR playstyle, YOUR build, YOUR synergies.

I know we live in a society of people today that doesn't want to take ownership of their own problems and inefficiencies, but man up for crying out loud.

Or put it another way, the dude in the dress with the whirling twirling purple hands is about to send some pain your way, block or dodge that stuff. It's not that hard, really... it's not.

Of course i look at myself. I know my play style and what I like to do. When you block the first or second or even third fragment coming in eventually you have no stamina left. You try to counter again yet you finally get knocked down, try and pop a potion to save yourself but by then your already dead. I wouldn't make a post like this if I wasn't trying everything I knew to avoid said maneuver and ask the community for other suggestions other than the obvious, CC break, dodge roll etc. So ill weed through the troll comments and find the ones that have some meaning to give me some idea's, and there are a a few god ones, and a lot of idiotic tolling bad ones.

But trollish comments make me laugh while im bored at work so keep them coming.

So, you are letting a sorc channel 3 fragments on you and all you do is blocking while waiting for him to not cast fragments anymore? Please stay in PvE. I was told they just changed difficulty in vet areas to suit your level of play.

I come to serve. You asked for it.

You must be really funny in real life and the most popular kid in school.

pitdemon_ESO · July 2014

This:

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

So, you are letting a sorc channel 3 fragments on you and all you do is blocking while waiting for him to not cast fragments anymore? Please stay in PvE. I was told they just changed difficulty in vet areas to suit your level of play.

I come to serve. You asked for it.

Followed by this:

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

If im with my zerg fighting another zerg, my eyes may cant travel 306 degrees....

I couldn't make this kind of stuff up.

Thank you, internet, you have entertained me this day!!