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Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Elitist are in every game, rather they don't have the time or they don't have the patience, they would prefer to group with a certain kind of person. Honestly you can't blame someone for grouping the way they want. What you need to do if find like minded people, not those that will stress you out

It's not elitist to want to complete something. The person is asking for specific people because it's zenimax's fault for making stamina builds weak.

diamondeyethunderbow_ESO wrote: »

It's true that stamina builds are weak, but it's also true that you don't want to group with people that concerned about making everything optimal.

It's not a case of "not wanting to group" it's more of "can't group because they won't let me join"

To be honest I'm glad they do shout out like that, it lets me know that they're the type of people I wish to ignore and wouldn't group with in a month of Sundays.

In short this version (PC) should have honestly stopped all characters at level 50

It should use VR levels for PvP only.

The endgame should provide dungeon running for "Veteran" difficulty but using another term.

Those dungeons should drop blue or better armor sets of all types to assist players with their class and the gear would also enable people to gear up for Crag

The whole VR system is simply dumb. It was something to create a time sink until the developers figure out what "endgame" style promotes sub retention.

The current model creates separation because:
-people can't quantify the abilities of another gamer as skill levels and stats or gear are hidden.
-character level or VR ranks don't signify ability or anything more than achieved VR exp
-it takes a very long time for anyone who just hit VR1 to reach VR12 and forces people to.play through other factions (another pointless but intentional time sink that defeats the point of refilling in another faction)
-The VR model further separates new level "50" characters from others which seems to show an elitist approach rather than a collaborative approach.

In the end, what is the point of VR content. Knowing that it really didn't make sense and now knowing that the levels and other functions are subject to change in 30 days.

My position, though not shared by all, suggests that at each max level the players need to be brought together.

In WoW the problem today are one max level and gear tiered dungeons that separate other players. I hoped this game would take a "gear seek" approach and encourage others to play together.

While those who play more or who seek harder challenges I do feel there should be "difficult" versions of all dungeons and raids the rewards would fall to those difficulty levels but the only separating factor would be character ability and gear bonuses.

Today I'm 100% dis interested in any endgame and I brought this to satisfy my desires to.play online with others in dungeon or raiding environments.

Dare I say that the 1-49 levels are far better than most MMORPGs that exist today but the VR1-etc is the worse endgame of any MMORPG.

There are free to play games that are pay to win whose endgame is better and it's only due to a lack.of thought. The platform is set.


Use Cyrodil in two ways. PvE campaigns (NPCs only vs players)
PvP as it works today. Allow both to serve as endgame but the PvE version would be like Dark Age of Camelot's frontier.

Cyrodil could provide the solo gamer with new and ever changing challenges as they along with other solo players could attack other factions in a quest system to eliminate the need of cross faction VR leveling

Crag would stay as it is but a level 50 raid with a normal version and a difficult version.
The dungeons would have a difficult version(not VR level) and start from 48-50 as the endgame story tends to finish around those levels.

Gear mats, recipes, weapons and armor would be unique in artwork and the number of abilities in these zones as it's a max level.

Even some sets should follow the update 3 with options to choose to some extent the artwork that appears like the Imperial edition option.


This is a good game with so.much potential but with champion levels coming and the VR levels approach people will become.more and.more alienated as PvE MUST be based on caps and max levels not a level extension.

At some point the game would need expansions so either level 50 is it forever or things need to be changed now before it gets confusing and those VR12 characters and players will be frustrated with changes that discount their lo g efforts .


Change now not later @ZOS

It's a horrible, absolutely HORRIBLE design. ZOS sets up a game with so many different options for your build, and then makes the end game revolve around timers, thereby pigeon holing you into having to make a VERY specific build if you want to even remotely compete. Part of that is the huge imbalances in the game atm.

Also, Craglorn is horrible. There's nothing to do there but listen to zone chat requesting grinding groups to level. Finding a group to actually quest with there is near impossible.